Author Topic: Uniting contributors for better royalty, price control and safeguarding this industry (Read 13905 times)

cobalt · « **Reply #300 on:** April 10, 2019, 19:17 »

Well, sometimes people learn from mistakes, we will see.

But overall we really have a lot of options. I love 2019.

VimeoDerick · « **Reply #301 on:** April 14, 2019, 12:32 »

Re: Vimeo pricing, our list (non-member) prices are $79 for HD and $199 for 4K for non-exclusive footage, and $299 HD, $499 4K for exclusive footage. Paid Vimeo members get a discount of 20%.

Mantis · « **Reply #302 on:** April 14, 2019, 13:04 »

Quote from: VimeoDerick on April 14, 2019, 12:32

Re: Vimeo pricing, our list (non-member) prices are $79 for HD and $199 for 4K for non-exclusive footage, and $299 HD, $499 4K for exclusive footage. Paid Vimeo members get a discount of 20%.

So Vimeo wants me to pay them to sell my video?

trek · « **Reply #303 on:** April 14, 2019, 13:29 »

Quote from: VimeoDerick on April 14, 2019, 12:32

Re: Vimeo pricing, our list (non-member) prices are $79 for HD and $199 for 4K for non-exclusive footage, and $299 HD, $499 4K for exclusive footage. Paid Vimeo members get a discount of 20%.

Dozens of my videos are showing on Vimeo via Pond 5 despite my opt out of the Pond 5 Global Partner Program. Please explain the details of the deal with Pond 5.

VimeoDerick · « **Reply #304 on:** April 14, 2019, 16:35 »

@mantis - Not sure I understand, but no, it doesn't cost anything to be a Vimeo Stock contributor. We simply have to like your work.

VimeoDerick · « **Reply #305 on:** April 14, 2019, 16:37 »

@trek - My understanding is that only contributors who have opted in to Pond5's global partner program should be available to us for distribution, so you should reach out to Pond5 to clarify.

VimeoDerick · « **Reply #306 on:** April 14, 2019, 16:40 »

Hey @cobalt - Yes, we sign individual artists. Our submission form is here: https://vimeo.com/features/stock-contact [nofollow]

cobalt · « **Reply #307 on:** April 15, 2019, 01:51 »

Hi Derick, thank you.

Do you take all the files we send to Blackbox? Or do you just pick a small selection?

Can I send content non exclusively?

Then I would send you, what I send to Shutterstock directly.

I am not a large producer.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #308 on:** April 15, 2019, 02:31 »

Quote from: Mantis on April 14, 2019, 13:04

Quote from: VimeoDerick on April 14, 2019, 12:32
Re: Vimeo pricing, our list (non-member) prices are $79 for HD and $199 for 4K for non-exclusive footage, and $299 HD, $499 4K for exclusive footage. Paid Vimeo members get a discount of 20%.

So Vimeo wants me to pay them to sell my video?

No, Vimeo wants people to pay them to buy your videos. Buyers get a 20% discount... contributors don't get 20% more.

H2O · « **Reply #309 on:** April 15, 2019, 13:02 »

The really big problem in MicroStock is that the business model has changed over recent years, it used to be about a partnership with the Agencies to sell our work.

What has happened is that the wealthy shareholders (the people who don't pay tax) have moved into the market financializing the companies by issuing shares to these people.

This has caused a ever need, to constantly increase dividends to these people, which basically means that most of them (except Adobe) have cut our commission rates.

Essentially by not putting up the commission rates they are exploiting artists.

What's needed is a new big player in the Market, funded by the artists and able to wipe the floor with these companies, just how to achieve this, I really don't know at the moment.

thirdbornentertainment · « **Reply #310 on:** April 16, 2019, 00:22 »

Quote from: H2O on April 15, 2019, 13:02

The really big problem in MicroStock is that the business model has changed over recent years, it used to be about a partnership with the Agencies to sell our work.

What has happened is that the wealthy shareholders (the people who don't pay tax) have moved into the market financializing the companies by issuing shares to these people.

This has caused a ever need, to constantly increase dividends to these people, which basically means that most of them (except Adobe) have cut our commission rates.

Essentially by not putting up the commission rates they are exploiting artists.

What's needed is a new big player in the Market, funded by the artists and able to wipe the floor with these companies, just how to achieve this, I really don't know at the moment.

Pond5 exclusive is the answer.

pixel86 · « **Reply #311 on:** April 16, 2019, 06:56 »

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on April 16, 2019, 00:22

Quote from: H2O on April 15, 2019, 13:02
The really big problem in MicroStock is that the business model has changed over recent years, it used to be about a partnership with the Agencies to sell our work.

What has happened is that the wealthy shareholders (the people who don't pay tax) have moved into the market financializing the companies by issuing shares to these people.

This has caused a ever need, to constantly increase dividends to these people, which basically means that most of them (except Adobe) have cut our commission rates.

Essentially by not putting up the commission rates they are exploiting artists.

What's needed is a new big player in the Market, funded by the artists and able to wipe the floor with these companies, just how to achieve this, I really don't know at the moment.

Pond5 exclusive is the answer.

until pond5 starts screwing you over. And they will, only a matter of time, based on their past history.

disorderly · « **Reply #312 on:** April 16, 2019, 10:17 »

Quote from: H2O on April 15, 2019, 13:02

The really big problem in MicroStock is that the business model has changed over recent years, it used to be about a partnership with the Agencies to sell our work.

I call that revisionist history. iStockphoto was never a partner to its suppliers, as much as they pretended otherwise. Start with a 20% royalty for nonexclusives and then continue with the heavy handed administration of their supplier forums. Complaints, and there were many, were beaten down quickly and forcefully. And then there was the increasing difficulty of submitting content, with their controlled vocabulary and the lack of FTP service. I started with iStock, but was glad to deemphasize them once Shutterstock began to produce for me. But most of the agencies (and all the successful ones) treated this business as a business and its suppliers as a vital part of that business. I'd add that my experience with Fotolia was rocky from the start as well, and only really turned around with the Adobe acquisition.

jjneff · « **Reply #313 on:** April 16, 2019, 12:50 »

You have to have some trust somewhere in this industry. I see Pond5 as the best option now for video.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #314 on:** April 16, 2019, 14:16 »

Quote from: cathyslife on April 16, 2019, 06:56

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on April 16, 2019, 00:22
Quote from: H2O on April 15, 2019, 13:02
The really big problem in MicroStock is that the business model has changed over recent years, it used to be about a partnership with the Agencies to sell our work.

What has happened is that the wealthy shareholders (the people who don't pay tax) have moved into the market financializing the companies by issuing shares to these people.

This has caused a ever need, to constantly increase dividends to these people, which basically means that most of them (except Adobe) have cut our commission rates.

Essentially by not putting up the commission rates they are exploiting artists.

What's needed is a new big player in the Market, funded by the artists and able to wipe the floor with these companies, just how to achieve this, I really don't know at the moment.

Pond5 exclusive is the answer.
until pond5 starts screwing you over. And they will, only a matter of time, based on their past history.

If you look at how Pond5 is funded it has the same commercial drivers as everyone else. There might be a niche for a small ethical co-operative but its not going "wipe the floor" with anyone.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #315 on:** April 16, 2019, 14:17 »

Quote from: jjneff on April 16, 2019, 12:50

You have to have some trust somewhere in this industry. I see Pond5 as the best option now for video.

Or trust no-one and spread this risk.

thirdbornentertainment · « **Reply #316 on:** April 18, 2019, 17:09 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on April 16, 2019, 14:17

Quote from: jjneff on April 16, 2019, 12:50
You have to have some trust somewhere in this industry. I see Pond5 as the best option now for video.
Or trust no-one and spread this risk.

I've changed my mind on going exclusive at all. Pond5 has been absolute trash for the past 4 months and barely making me any money at all. Shutterstock, on the other hand, has been pulling in $180 licenses for one sale. After pond5 cut our commissions by 10% along with that "web pricing" disaster I have a hard time believing this move will do much at all. Seems like a desperate play by them at this stage of the game. Sales were rocking until December and then they starting * about with the pricing and sales have dropped off a cliff.

jjneff · « **Reply #317 on:** April 18, 2019, 19:19 »

Funny Pond5 is more then double on my income vs SS this year!

trek · « **Reply #318 on:** April 18, 2019, 20:08 »

Quote from: jjneff on April 18, 2019, 19:19

Funny Pond5 is more then double on my income vs SS this year!

Shutterstock outperforms Pond5 for me. So... Going exclusive does not make financial sense for my portfolio.

Not Today · « **Reply #319 on:** April 19, 2019, 05:08 »

Surprisingly, AdobeStock outperforms Shutterstock and Pond5 for me (counting video only). It also doesn't make sense to make my portfolio exclusive.

obj owl · « **Reply #320 on:** April 19, 2019, 06:17 »

I don't think it's about putting your entire portfolio on Pond5, but getting value for your best work, which Shutterstock or Adobe don't appreciate by not adding it to their own Select and Premium collections. Pond5 exclusive gives you the opportunity to have your own premium collection that you don't have anywhere else. The difference in value can be 5 - 10 times what you currently get depending how you price your work. Being at the mercy of the agencies can be down right depressing sometimes and valuing yourself can be good for the soul and the pocket, but even if you just break even through lower sales you know your cut is fair.

Not Today · « **Reply #321 on:** April 19, 2019, 06:41 »

Quote from: obj owl on April 19, 2019, 06:17

I don't think it's about putting your entire portfolio on Pond5, but getting value for your best work, which Shutterstock or Adobe don't appreciate by not adding it to their own Select and Premium collections. Pond5 exclusive gives you the opportunity to have your own premium collection that you don't have anywhere else. The difference in value can be 5 - 10 times what you currently get depending how you price your work. Being at the mercy of the agencies can be down right depressing sometimes and valuing yourself can be good for the soul and the pocket, but even if you just break even through lower sales you know your cut is fair.

Isn't it better to go through a macrostock agency for these higher value files?

obj owl · « **Reply #322 on:** April 19, 2019, 07:54 »

Quote from: Not Today on April 19, 2019, 06:41

Quote from: obj owl on April 19, 2019, 06:17
I don't think it's about putting your entire portfolio on Pond5, but getting value for your best work, which Shutterstock or Adobe don't appreciate by not adding it to their own Select and Premium collections. Pond5 exclusive gives you the opportunity to have your own premium collection that you don't have anywhere else. The difference in value can be 5 - 10 times what you currently get depending how you price your work. Being at the mercy of the agencies can be down right depressing sometimes and valuing yourself can be good for the soul and the pocket, but even if you just break even through lower sales you know your cut is fair.

Isn't it better to go through a macrostock agency for these higher value files?

Go wherever you can get sales, but customers are used to paying premium prices at microstock agencies now, it's just that for the most part we are excluded from those sales.

cobalt · « **Reply #323 on:** April 19, 2019, 19:55 »

Quote from: Not Today on April 19, 2019, 06:41

Isn't it better to go through a macrostock agency for these higher value files?

The traditional Macrostock agencies are now often selling for much less than the micros, like 2 or 3 cents for photos and 60 cents for 4k video and the Micros also have premium offerings where they suddenly dump large royalty fees into your lap.

These days you really can't go by the list prices in their web shop window anymore. Which makes it so difficult for artists to figure out what to put where.

In the end every agency is simply their own marketplace, like a small village and customers that have a contract with them, usually try to source as much as they can from one place only. Very few people or companies will have contracts with several marketplaces.

Usually people will pick one place and stay with it, if it serves most of their needs.

If you really want to maximize income, I don't see how you can avoid having non exclusive content. It is also good for artists to have several marketplaces, in case one place acts up. Competition is healthy.

But also having a fair trade place with exclusive content, in addition to spreading far and wide is very good, especially if you can set your own prices.

So the pond5 exclusive initiative is a great opportunity.

Not Today · « **Reply #324 on:** April 20, 2019, 04:17 »

Quote from: cobalt on April 19, 2019, 19:55

Quote from: Not Today on April 19, 2019, 06:41

Isn't it better to go through a macrostock agency for these higher value files?

The traditional Macrostock agencies are now often selling for much less than the micros, like 2 or 3 cents for photos and 60 cents for 4k video and the Micros also have premium offerings where they suddenly dump large royalty fees into your lap.

These days you really can't go by the list prices in their web shop window anymore. Which makes it so difficult for artists to figure out what to put where.

In the end every agency is simply their own marketplace, like a small village and customers that have a contract with them, usually try to source as much as they can from one place only. Very few people or companies will have contracts with several marketplaces.

Usually people will pick one place and stay with it, if it serves most of their needs.

If you really want to maximize income, I don't see how you can avoid having non exclusive content. It is also good for artists to have several marketplaces, in case one place acts up. Competition is healthy.

But also having a fair trade place with exclusive content, in addition to spreading far and wide is very good, especially if you can set your own prices.

So the pond5 exclusive initiative is a great opportunity.

Oh ok thanks, I didn't know it was that bad with the macro

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Author Topic: Uniting contributors for better royalty, price control and safeguarding this industry (Read 13905 times)

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