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Title: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: einstein on June 20, 2014, 09:23
Hi guys,

I had an idea to develop a browser plugin that could drastically shorten the time during the final part of submission (After FTP/site upload). If you wished that such a plugin existed, which browser would you prefer to be supported first? Firefox or Chrome?

The background is that I once used the plugin from picworkflow, but when I measured how much time it really saves me, the additional hassle was not worth it in my case. Especially their categorization tool was useless and did actually cost me more time than going directly to the submission page. I believe I can do that much much (much) better.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: TheDrift- on June 20, 2014, 15:04
Safari?
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: einstein on June 20, 2014, 17:51
Although I probably shouldn't underestimate the number of Apple users in microstock area, Safari is not a priority for me right now. Should I decide to make such plugin public, I want to reach as many people as possible and I don't think that Safari can't compete in that area:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp)

I'm only asking about Firefox, because I can imagine that there could be a different balance among microstock community between those browsers. I can't however imagine that the number of Safari users would be greater than that of Firefox or Chrome users.

A lot of people might not like those statistics but that's the reality one must face. Once the plugin would be out and a lot of people would like it, I can think of continuously adding support for more and more browsers.

For now, Safari users would have slight disadvantage and have to install Firefox or Chrome on their system, in parallel with their favourite Safari browser.
The plugin development process can be quite different for each browser, even though most plugin Systems are JavaScript based.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: wordplanet on June 20, 2014, 18:41
I've only had Macs for years and nearly always use Firefox, which I voted for, though lately I find it has some issues at which point I switch to Google Chrome. Chrome uses a lot more system resources.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: roede-orm on June 21, 2014, 03:31
I'm using Firefox all the time. Chrome is a good browser too, but Chrome belongs to Google, thats the point.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: stealthmode on June 21, 2014, 04:18
Firefox.

I can't stand the lack of a top menu bar in Chrome.
Design over function is always bad. For function, and for design.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: SLStudios on June 21, 2014, 05:47
You should add Safari into the poll if you really want to see how many Mac/Safari users are out there. I use Safari on my Mac more than anything else. Firefox is second and chrome is not getting installed on it EVER. Chrome is heavy and uses way to many resources for it to be a worthy browser. It is just another example of an over-bloated Google product if you ask me.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: Kamran on June 21, 2014, 07:31
Firefox. Also using 10 other useful addon with it and still running faster. Chrome belongs to google and using lot of system resources, therefore uninstall chrome.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: Beppe Grillo on June 21, 2014, 12:32
Chrome is heavy and uses way to many resources for it to be a worthy browser.

Look your Activity Monitor while using Safari and Chrome, you could have very big surprises………
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: jefftakespics2 on June 21, 2014, 12:43
Sorry to be the contrarian  ... but Chrome.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: LesPalenik on June 21, 2014, 19:13
I use IE, Chrome and Firefox. Each has some strong points and some problems.  Although, I do not use Mac or Safari, and I understand your point of view,
including Safari in the survey wouldn't cost you anything and could provide potentially useful information for you and other people on this forum.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: einstein on June 23, 2014, 16:49
Sorry to be the contrarian  ... but Chrome.

Wow, twice as many Firefox users?
For some reason I have the impression that Chrome users are silent here, because Firefox users have strong feelings and are more likely to let me know about it ;)
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: Stockandroll on June 23, 2014, 19:17
Vote for Chrome here
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: gbalex on June 23, 2014, 19:37
Firefox 1st choice

Chrome 2nd choice
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: Silken Photography on June 28, 2014, 02:46
Chrome just disabled all 3rd party apps that aren't in the google store.  I don't know if that's an issue for a developer, but it's disabled a couple of other extensions I use and I have no (easy) way or re-enabling them.  Definitely firefox.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: einstein on June 28, 2014, 15:19
Hm...

The dilemma I'm facing is, that I can learn developing for chrome much faster than for firefox, since chrome makes it a lot easier for developers. However I can hope to reuse at least some of the code for Firefox later. Google has an annoying submission process where you sometimes wait up to 2 weeks to get your plugin approved. Approval is triggered by certain words in the description or if the code is using certain stuff, but it's not a nice lottery if you get flagged but have an urgent update.

Firefox is harder to learn, because it was the first app-store-like plugin system of its kind and it hasn't changed much since the begin of its existence. Meanwhile other companies like google learned from some design flaws to make it less painful for developers. They also built an entire infrastructure around it, while the Firefox infrastructure remained somehow rudimentary and primitive.

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Chrome just disabled all 3rd party apps that aren't in the google store
As long as my app gets approved into the google store, it shouldn't be a problem I think.

Firefox has a somehow similar but at the same time very different issue. As far I understand it, each plugin must specify the version of Firefox that can be used with it. If you update your Firefox a few times, it might stop working unless developers provide regular updates just to fix the version number they once specified. Most plugins blocked by the versioning check would work perfectly fine if there was no check. This also often holds true when you want to stick with an older version while the plugin gets marked for a newer one.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: LesPalenik on July 02, 2014, 22:40
I find that both Chrome and Firefox are highly susceptible to malware. Had to uninstall both.
What antimalware programs or other protection do you use?
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: gnirtS on July 03, 2014, 17:28
Chrome.

The lack of a menu bar is to do with the standardisation used on Android - it's accessed via the = icon on the right.  Other non-google apps such as Thunderbird are following suit.

Browser wise, they stats are out there:-

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/windows-8-x-internet-explorer-both-flatline-in-june/ (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/windows-8-x-internet-explorer-both-flatline-in-june/)

For desktops it's:

58% IE (various versions < shudder> )
19% Chrome
15% Firefox
5% Safari
1% Opera
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: elvinstar on July 03, 2014, 19:05
Where did you find those stats? They don't match what I'm finding at all.

Clikc for browser usage statistics (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp)
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: gnirtS on July 03, 2014, 19:19
Where did you find those stats? They don't match what I'm finding at all.

Clikc for browser usage statistics ([url]http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp[/url])


On the link i posted directly above them.
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: gnirtS on July 03, 2014, 19:23
Edit doesn't appear to work so i'll try here.

w3 schools is all platforms, the above stats are desktop only so more useful for plugins.  If you include mobile then Chrome will be well on top due to 80%+ of handsets being android
Title: Re: Firefox or Chrome? Plugin development to drastically shorten submission time
Post by: elvinstar on July 04, 2014, 22:05
I'm an idiot! Somehow, I didn't see your link. Thanks for pointing it out.