Author Topic: Foud two of my graphics recolored and put on sale by joël BEHR on Adobe (Read 5958 times)

klod · « **on:** February 21, 2021, 11:02 »

Doing image reverse lookup, I found the portfolio of this guy contains two fractals that I created, he simply recolored them and offers them on sale. Looking at his stuff, he travelled the whole planet...

https://stock.adobe.com/ca/contributor/780/joel-behr?load_type=author&prev_url=detail

Will report it again and I hope this time it will be taken down...

The Tinyeye results reveals that many others - or the same person under different names - made different copies...
https://tineye.com/search/a4cec0ebeb7bd389a382945bf4c88f9277cd3f79?sort=score&order=desc&page=1

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2021, 13:29 »

congrats

marthamarks · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2021, 13:41 »

Quote from: klod on February 21, 2021, 11:02

Looking at his stuff, he travelled the whole planet...

Not only that, but he's traveling the whole planet carrying a full load of camera gear, from ultra-wide lenses to 500mm and longer bird lenses.

Must be quite an impressive specimen to be able to lug all that stuff everywhere he goes!

klod · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2021, 15:40 »

I found a second Adobe account that offers a different version:

https://stock.adobe.com/ca/contributor/202731926/evbrbe?load_type=author&prev_url=detail

-Any experience with a similar issue with Adobe or advice?

I file is also on many Pinterest and Zazzle stores. Sad I never sold a copy myself.

**If you find some of your work on these ports, please include info on this thread.

marthamarks · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2021, 15:48 »

Quote from: klod on February 21, 2021, 15:40

I found a second Adobe account that offers a different version:

https://stock.adobe.com/ca/contributor/202731926/evbrbe?load_type=author&prev_url=detail

Now… this dude seems to be hauling gear ranging from macro to telephoto primes, shooting everything from peacocks to dump trucks. Remarkably versatile, it seems.

klod · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2021, 16:06 »

Indeed, and in addition to his talent with graphics. If its the same guy, you can buy his books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/jobe451

Evaristo tenscadisto · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2021, 18:42 »

Interesting...
Image of dunes with different background skies are very poor to my standards. I mean the images don't even respect the light at all. it seems like a copy+paste of 2 images in one. This guy have skills... but probably not related all to photography.

klod · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2021, 14:39 »

Found two more portfolios on Adobe with my same fractal. And dozens of Pinterest and Zazzle sites. The file is in my portfolio on Adobe and Alamy. I found pirated copies on Adobe but not Alamy. I reported the info to both agencies.

https://stock.adobe.com/ca/stock-photo/id/42924666

https://stock.adobe.com/ca/stock-photo/id/10432760

obj owl · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2021, 21:33 »

I've seen that image around a lot in various guises, this tutorial such as it is may explain it.
https://hubpages.com/art/fractals-2

Evaristo tenscadisto · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2021, 22:05 »

Hi!
This fractal that you claim is The Mandelbrot set fractal. It's called "The thumb print of God" and it was not invented but discovered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set)
In other words... fractal geometry.

Don't get me wrong but your work is based on a zoom magnification picture of a well known fractal shape called Mandelbrot. Not only is it easy to copycat the idea as i think the picture itself is from Mandelbrot loop with a circle in a middle to cover the continuity of the shape being formed.

Can someone claim copyright of that? i doubt.
Maybe if you produce a unique shape and not the actual spin. Which is originally made by Mandelbrot shape itself when an infinite loop of the fractal is mathematically performed.

You can find what i am talking about exactly in Art of Code here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6avJHaC3C2U ( time: (15:42 to 16:45) )

Hannafate · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2021, 09:11 »

You had me worried there for a moment.

Using simple tools that came with your program will produce the same image that others using the same tool produce.

Parallel development happens all the time. Put more thought into your graphics, and that won't happen.

Hannafate · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2021, 09:15 »

Quote from: marthamarks on February 21, 2021, 15:48

Now… this dude seems to be hauling gear ranging from macro to telephoto primes, shooting everything from peacocks to dump trucks. Remarkably versatile, it seems.

I see nothing remarkable about this low quality portfolio. Thieves usually pick better work to steal.

Just because someone gets around doesn't mean they are cheating. Take a look at my portfolio, and see if you can guess what gear I use, and how much I travel. https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/86133/Darla%20Hallmark

klod · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2021, 12:14 »

Quote from: Evaristo tenscadisto on February 22, 2021, 22:05

Hi!
This fractal that you claim is The Mandelbrot set fractal. It's called "The thumb print of God" and it was not invented but discovered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set)
In other words... fractal geometry.

Don't get me wrong but your work is based on a zoom magnification picture of a well known fractal shape called Mandelbrot. Not only is it easy to copycat the idea as i think the picture itself is from Mandelbrot loop with a circle in a middle to cover the continuity of the shape being formed.

Can someone claim copyright of that? i doubt.
Maybe if you produce a unique shape and not the actual spin. Which is originally made by Mandelbrot shape itself when an infinite loop of the fractal is mathematically performed.

You can find what i am talking about exactly in Art of Code here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6avJHaC3C2U ( time: (15:42 to 16:45) )

Thanks for this interesting info, their is more to it than I originally saw. I would not claim copyrights to a math equation but I definately would if someone downloaded my graphic and recolored it.

chris___ · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2021, 13:22 »

Which probably nobody did. You can create that exact image with a lot of different tools within a minute. So why would anyone steal and recolor it?
Have you ever checked the IDs of the images you think are copies of yours? Chances are good that quite a few of them have been uploaded before you even created your fractal, so you may have reported accounts of people that did nothing wrong ...
Btw I'm not sure those fractals have a lot of sale potential. They are just too easy to create.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2021, 14:45 »

Yeah the current ID number for new stuff on Adobe is about 400m. I know it hit 100m in the middle of 2015, and the guy you linked to, his image is 12m something. So he uploaded it quite some time ago... was it before you?

klod · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2021, 22:07 »

Quote from: chris77 on March 07, 2021, 13:22

Which probably nobody did. You can create that exact image with a lot of different tools within a minute. So why would anyone steal and recolor it?
Have you ever checked the IDs of the images you think are copies of yours? Chances are good that quite a few of them have been uploaded before you even created your fractal, so you may have reported accounts of people that did nothing wrong ...
Btw I'm not sure those fractals have a lot of sale potential. They are just too easy to create.
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Hard to evaluate sale potential but if it was as low as you seem to think it is, it woyuld not be as widely available, from many sources (hundreds). I loaded it on Alamy several years before Adobe (found no other copies there) and created it years before making it available as stock and shared a first version on Flickr. -I would very much prefer to be wrong and that they created their own. If I was to copy a file, I would take a few seconds to edit the exif info, that is not solid data.

klod · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2021, 22:29 »

Quote from: klod on March 08, 2021, 22:07

Quote from: chris77 on March 07, 2021, 13:22
Which probably nobody did. You can create that exact image with a lot of different tools within a minute. So why would anyone steal and recolor it?
Have you ever checked the IDs of the images you think are copies of yours? Chances are good that quite a few of them have been uploaded before you even created your fractal, so you may have reported accounts of people that did nothing wrong ...
Btw I'm not sure those fractals have a lot of sale potential. They are just too easy to create.
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Hard to evaluate sale potential but if it was as low as you seem to think it is, it woyuld not be as widely available, from many sources (hundreds). I loaded it on Alamy several years before Adobe (found no other copies there) and created it years before making it available as stock and shared a first version on Flickr. -I would very much prefer to be wrong and that they created their own. If I was to copy a file, I would take a few seconds to edit the exif info, that is not solid data.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 07, 2021, 14:45
Yeah the current ID number for new stuff on Adobe is about 400m. I know it hit 100m in the middle of 2015, and the guy you linked to, his image is 12m something. So he uploaded it quite some time ago... was it before you?

Adobe did not provide any details, hard to tell. The reply I received after sending a second email - my first message was never received they claim, only refered to creation date of only one of the four files and 3 distinct accounts I listed. The response received from Adobe was problematic in many ways. Will not upload there anymore as a result. -And I will monitor closely the 3 distinct portfolios. The reply received from Alamy - within 24 hours - drastically more professional.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #17 on:** March 09, 2021, 04:07 »

But what's the ID number of your image? If it's less than 12m and something... then you uploaded it first.

Evaristo tenscadisto · « **Reply #18 on:** March 09, 2021, 05:08 »

Klod,
i don't know if this suits your will/needs but nowadays you have the option to token your work with an NFT (non-fungible token).

This means cryptoart.

Non-fungible token is a special type of cryptographic token which represents something unique; NFTs are thus not mutually interchangeable. This is in contrast to cryptocurrencies like bitcoin, and many network or utility tokens, that are fungible in nature. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fungible_token

Anyway If this interests you try maybe Rarible.com site. Forget Superare or Christie's which are more for gallery works. I remind you that It's expensive to token your work and this measure not prevent copycats but only the actual exact image. See this Guy tutorial about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rztmblQAmjI

Hope this info help you.

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