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lisafx

« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2012, 17:36 »
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classy ;D

Not much point having the a-hole on ignore if you're going to quote him anyway.  
« Last Edit: August 14, 2012, 17:38 by lisafx »


« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2012, 17:40 »
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classy ;D

Not much point having the a-hole on ignore if you're going to quote him anyway.  

i see but that wasnt my intention as you may understand, will make sure i dont quote next time

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2012, 21:35 »
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sorry but nowadays you either sell on Getty (RF or RM) or you will just make peanuts with the other agencies.


That's some funny stuff right there. You're not a Getty contributor, right?

I am. And I think a lot of Getty contributors would argue that these days the peanuts there aren't much different from the peanuts in micro. And in some cases, even lower.

Lagereek

« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2012, 01:19 »
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Well?.........  ::), very informative postings so far ::) ::)

« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2012, 01:26 »
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Is the climate changing? The climate always changes. The question is, what are the causes of the climate change.

Lagereek

« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2012, 01:30 »
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Is the climate changing? The climate always changes. The question is, what are the causes of the climate change.

I know, its the change of life! :D seriously, micro has become too cheap thanks to constant undercutting prices, far too cheap. Had every agency from the start, set out with realistic pricing,  buyers would have no option but to pay,  where else would they have gone?
« Last Edit: August 15, 2012, 01:36 by Lagereek »

« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2012, 02:00 »
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It used to be cheaper. 10c 20c and 30c commissions when I started with $1.50 being the highest price for buyers. I sometimes wonder if we wouldn't have made more by keeping things at that level and having much smaller collections.

Then they pushed the prices up, then they cut commissions, now they are trying to undercut each other to grab back volume, while the soaring collection sizes mean an ever-smaller slice of the pie for contributors.

Since the collection size can grow for ever and the total spend on stock cannot grow at anywhere near that rate, the trajectory for individual earnings is obvious.

What I would like to see is if the slump in earnings potential has reached the point where it is depressing supply. Has anybody kept track of the size of any of the main collections to see if the number of images being added each month has peaked or not?

« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2012, 02:02 »
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sorry leaf but are we keeping a person that told us to F off ??
+1 on that.  Is this person really still here?  Hopefully just a temporary oversight.  Don't want to see this place end up like Talk Micro.

« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2012, 05:05 »
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sorry leaf but are we keeping a person that told us to F off ??
+1 on that.  Is this person really still here?  Hopefully just a temporary oversight.  Don't want to see this place end up like Talk Micro.

The user was banned yesterday and a number of posts were removed.

« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2012, 05:54 »
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What I would like to see is if the slump in earnings potential has reached the point where it is depressing supply. Has anybody kept track of the size of any of the main collections to see if the number of images being added each month has peaked or not?

SS seems to have settled at a level of accepting about 80K new images each week. That's down from their peak of 110K+ but is still around 4M new images per year. I suspect that fewer 'newbies' are uploading ridiculous numbers of similars and/or complete rubbish, in the way that they used to, perhaps because of rejections or lack of financial return for their efforts.

I'm not seeing any significant decline/growth in overall sales or income. Seems that some agencies are being far more successful than others in retaining customers and growing their market share but that is only to be expected in the more mature market of today.

EmberMike

« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2012, 09:48 »
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Well?.........  ::), very informative postings so far ::) ::)

Yes, there have been. What's the problem? Just not getting the answers you wanted?

« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2012, 10:59 »
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What I would like to see is if the slump in earnings potential has reached the point where it is depressing supply. Has anybody kept track of the size of any of the main collections to see if the number of images being added each month has peaked or not?

SS seems to have settled at a level of accepting about 80K new images each week. That's down from their peak of 110K+ but is still around 4M new images per year. I suspect that fewer 'newbies' are uploading ridiculous numbers of similars and/or complete rubbish, in the way that they used to, perhaps because of rejections or lack of financial return for their efforts.

I'm not seeing any significant decline/growth in overall sales or income. Seems that some agencies are being far more successful than others in retaining customers and growing their market share but that is only to be expected in the more mature market of today.

I think you are doing well, then. I am starting to see shrinkage. I used to have more of an earnings spread between agencies, now it seems to be contracting so that three or four are absolutely crucial and if a couple of those go through a rough patch (as regards my sales) at the same time, then I feel it.

There was a time when diversification had protected me from fluctuations, that no longer seems to be so effective.

Lagereek

« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2012, 12:26 »
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What I would like to see is if the slump in earnings potential has reached the point where it is depressing supply. Has anybody kept track of the size of any of the main collections to see if the number of images being added each month has peaked or not?

SS seems to have settled at a level of accepting about 80K new images each week. That's down from their peak of 110K+ but is still around 4M new images per year. I suspect that fewer 'newbies' are uploading ridiculous numbers of similars and/or complete rubbish, in the way that they used to, perhaps because of rejections or lack of financial return for their efforts.

I'm not seeing any significant decline/growth in overall sales or income. Seems that some agencies are being far more successful than others in retaining customers and growing their market share but that is only to be expected in the more mature market of today.

Yes I dont know whats happend but during the last two days, SS have proved yet again they certainly can sell. Dont know if it was the change back to Popular ( if they did change) or not. Your right though certain agencies more then others know how to retain their customers.

lisafx

« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2012, 12:37 »
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I am starting to see shrinkage. I used to have more of an earnings spread between agencies, now it seems to be contracting so that three or four are absolutely crucial and if a couple of those go through a rough patch (as regards my sales) at the same time, then I feel it.

There was a time when diversification had protected me from fluctuations, that no longer seems to be so effective.

I agree.  Diversification last year managed to hold to 2010 levels, but that isn't helping this year.  Sales down from prior year nearly every month.  Summer sales shockingly bad.  I am quite surprised that there are people with mature portfolios who aren't feeling this.  Maybe it is that the lifestyle areas I shoot in are more overcrowded than the good niches? 

« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2012, 12:37 »
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What I would like to see is if the slump in earnings potential has reached the point where it is depressing supply. Has anybody kept track of the size of any of the main collections to see if the number of images being added each month has peaked or not?

SS seems to have settled at a level of accepting about 80K new images each week. That's down from their peak of 110K+ but is still around 4M new images per year. I suspect that fewer 'newbies' are uploading ridiculous numbers of similars and/or complete rubbish, in the way that they used to, perhaps because of rejections or lack of financial return for their efforts.

I'm not seeing any significant decline/growth in overall sales or income. Seems that some agencies are being far more successful than others in retaining customers and growing their market share but that is only to be expected in the more mature market of today.

Yes I dont know whats happend but during the last two days, SS have proved yet again they certainly can sell. Dont know if it was the change back to Popular ( if they did change) or not. Your right though certain agencies more then others know how to retain their customers.

oh so no exclusivity, you really need to make up your mind or this forum will be a mess (RF, RM, exclusive, indie, stock is dommed/alive), next time wait a little longer before starting more threads ;D

Lagereek

« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2012, 12:46 »
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I am starting to see shrinkage. I used to have more of an earnings spread between agencies, now it seems to be contracting so that three or four are absolutely crucial and if a couple of those go through a rough patch (as regards my sales) at the same time, then I feel it.

There was a time when diversification had protected me from fluctuations, that no longer seems to be so effective.

I agree.  Diversification last year managed to hold to 2010 levels, but that isn't helping this year.  Sales down from prior year nearly every month.  Summer sales shockingly bad.  I am quite surprised that there are people with mature portfolios who aren't feeling this.  Maybe it is that the lifestyle areas I shoot in are more overcrowded than the good niches? 

Oh but I think lots of ppl with mature port are feeling it, just dont want to broadcast it. I know some actually. About lifestyles!  thats a tough one nowdays, just look at IS, almost all black-diamonds are shooting it. Dont really know how they all can make money.
With your port though, you have managed to mix it with lots of corporate, industrial stuff. Thats great

best.

ShadySue

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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2012, 15:32 »
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Dont know if it was the change back to Popular ( if they did change) or not. Your right though certain agencies more then others know how to retain their customers.
The default appears to be Popular at this moment.


« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2012, 17:12 »
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What is considered a "mature portfolio"?

 ???

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2012, 17:16 »
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What is considered a "mature portfolio"?

 ???

One with a lot of elderly people?  :)

« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2012, 17:55 »
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LOL!!!  ;D

But I really mean to ask the question.

For instance, you have a diamond who has sold a lot in history, but with 1000 images in his port, he is rarely uploading any new images. And you have a silver who is uploading like mad lately whose port is over 5000 in a short period. How do you fit each into the category?

stan

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« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2012, 18:04 »
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LOL!!!  ;D

But I really mean to ask the question.

For instance, you have a diamond who has sold a lot in history, but with 1000 images in his port, he is rarely uploading any new images. And you have a silver who is uploading like mad lately whose port is over 5000 in a short period. How do you fit each into the category?

And the silver could be outselling the diamond too ;)

« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2012, 18:28 »
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What is considered a "mature portfolio"?

I'd describe a 'mature portfolio' as that from a contributor who has been uploading reasonably steadily for 5-6 years+. That's about how long it takes to hit 'the wall' when the additional sales from new uploads are largely balanced out by fewer sales from older uploads (due to additional competition since they were first uploaded). That's the point at which your income stabilises and you can only grow it by massively increasing either quantity, quality or both. A severe change in the income from a 'mature portfolio' is a much stronger indication of a change at a particular agency or the industry in general than someone who is relatively new and still growing (as that disguises the effect).

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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2012, 19:25 »
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LOL!!!  ;D

But I really mean to ask the question.

For instance, you have a diamond who has sold a lot in history, but with 1000 images in his port, he is rarely uploading any new images. And you have a silver who is uploading like mad lately whose port is over 5000 in a short period. How do you fit each into the category?

And the silver could be outselling the diamond too ;)

but you are still a noob  ;)

stan

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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2012, 19:32 »
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LOL!!!  ;D

But I really mean to ask the question.

For instance, you have a diamond who has sold a lot in history, but with 1000 images in his port, he is rarely uploading any new images. And you have a silver who is uploading like mad lately whose port is over 5000 in a short period. How do you fit each into the category?

And the silver could be outselling the diamond too ;)

but you are still a noob  ;)

I wasn't talking about myself, but that being said I'd rather be a rich noob (silver), than a poor high ranking tog ;)

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2012, 21:22 »
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I think the more useful images you put out there, the better you'll do. However, as Mr. Spock said "Change is the essential process of all existence."  8)

I have kept a very close eye on this for the past 5 months, plus some friends have also done the same. RM, RF, Micro. Our three main outlets. RM and RF, are without doubt catching up and fast, the actual quantity of sales is increasing a lot. Somebody I know had a staggering 72, smaller RM sales in the last month and a half, for being RM, thats a staggering quantity. My own observation is exactly the same.

Micro, OTOH and as we all know is decreasing and thats right across the board, little doubt about that.

Could it be? for all non serious buyers there are ofcourse millions of what we call pro buyers, regular buyers and they have the budgets, weather its 20 bucks, 100 or more. well, to save themselves from todays obvious hassle with the micro industry, are they reverting back to more traditional searching and buying? where customer relations are friendlier and more professional, etc.
The only RM/RF, agency where I have not seen increase is Alamy, all the others show a huge rise in smaller quantity sales. For the first time Im seeing small, RM/RF, sales of around 50-70 dollars and frankly thats not much more then an xxl sale at IS or a single sale at SS.

anybody else here with the same views or thoughts?


 

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