Author Topic: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases (Read 57724 times)

Lina · « **Reply #175 on:** July 26, 2023, 00:31 »

According to some reports, Adobe staff worried they are killing jobs of their own customers with AI:

https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #176 on:** July 26, 2023, 01:23 »

Quote from: Lina on July 26, 2023, 00:31

According to some reports, Adobe staff worried they are killing jobs of their own customers with AI:

https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787

Here is the original articles with more details.
https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25

Some key notes:

"Adobe often sells cloud software subscriptions based on the number of seats, or licenses (...). A company with, say, 5 graphic designers in-house would buy five licenses. So if designers are getting laid off, demand for licenses might fall"

"a group of employees discussed how new generative AI technology is fundamentally different from prior disruptive innovations. Cameras, for example, still required skill and expertise to produce good photography, they said. In contrast, generating AI images requires almost no skill, raising concerns over losing craft and expertise that can only be gained through continued practice and personal creativity"

"previous artistic revolutions opened up new mediums, with cameras helping to create photographs that looked nothing like old paintings, some of the people said. AI images, however, directly compete with existing digital formats. It does not innovate in the way a camera does in that it replaces people in the mediums that it draws data from instead of opening up new means of expression"

.... how some constributors still think AI was a good thing and they will still have a job in 10 years where all they do is enter prompts when not even the customers - the designers - are safe, is beyond me.

Lina · « **Reply #177 on:** July 26, 2023, 03:07 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on July 26, 2023, 01:23

Quote from: Lina on July 26, 2023, 00:31
According to some reports, Adobe staff worried they are killing jobs of their own customers with AI:

https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787

Here is the original articles with more details.
https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25

Some key notes:

"Adobe often sells cloud software subscriptions based on the number of seats, or licenses (...). A company with, say, 5 graphic designers in-house would buy five licenses. So if designers are getting laid off, demand for licenses might fall"

.... how some constributors still think AI was a good thing and they will still have a job in 10 years where all they do is enter prompts when not even the customers - the designers - are safe, is beyond me.

That article is behind paywall. I think that people who did photo-manipulations are already affected most. Other designers - I don't know, maybe it can replace some simple work but not everything, AI would explode if it heard some of my clients requests.

In my opinion, Canva destroyed designers much more than AI ever could.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #178 on:** July 26, 2023, 04:40 »

Quote from: Lina on July 26, 2023, 03:07

Quote from: Her Ugliness on July 26, 2023, 01:23
Quote from: Lina on July 26, 2023, 00:31
According to some reports, Adobe staff worried they are killing jobs of their own customers with AI:

https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787

Here is the original articles with more details.
https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25

Some key notes:

"Adobe often sells cloud software subscriptions based on the number of seats, or licenses (...). A company with, say, 5 graphic designers in-house would buy five licenses. So if designers are getting laid off, demand for licenses might fall"

.... how some constributors still think AI was a good thing and they will still have a job in 10 years where all they do is enter prompts when not even the customers - the designers - are safe, is beyond me.

That article is behind paywall. I think that people who did photo-manipulations are already affected most. Other designers - I don't know, maybe it can replace some simple work but not everything, AI would explode if it heard some of my clients requests. In my opinion, Canva destroyed designers much more than AI ever could.

I have not tried Adobe Firefly, so I honestly do not know what it can do, so I do not know to what extend it could really replace experienced designers. But with how fast AI is learning, I think our perspective on this might be very different in just a couple of years.

But the point of the article isn't so much that it will replace all designers, but some and that already is a problem to Adobe. If a firm used to employ 10 designers in the pat, but due to AI they could let go of 3 or 4 that performed more simpler tasks only, that already means less money for Adobe with the business model for subscriptions based on the number of seats.

cobalt · « **Reply #179 on:** July 26, 2023, 07:01 »

You could also take the cynical view.

If the new AI tools provided by Adobe allows letting go of people...it saves the company a ton of money. Staff is usually the biggest cost.

This means companies can easily spend a lot more on new Adobe products that help them cut down on staff.

Adobe is certainly aware that they risk losing licensing income by having less seats. I am sure their sales team is currently working hard on new licensing suggestions that will make Adobe even more money.

Adobe provides legal protection if you use their software and generate content. For companies this is important, I doubt large enterprises would allow their staff to use midjourney or any other ai generator that has no legal compliance.

Save 30k/month in costs for staff, but pay Adobe 2000 more a month than whatever they are paying now to have easy to use tools for better productivity and legal protection??

That is an easy sell.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #180 on:** July 27, 2023, 19:14 »

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/stable-diffusion-xl-puts-ai-generated-visual-worlds-at-your-gpus-command/

The fantasy images are (IMO) better than the attempts to depict the real world with all these genAI tools. The elephant-octopus hybrid is visually cool, but in terms of stock image licensing, how much of a market is there for that? In other words, beyond the "oh WOW", what would business customers (the bulk of the trade for stock image agencies) use it for.

Size is larger (although still pretty small at 1024x1024).

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #181 on:** July 28, 2023, 11:30 »

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/07/27/photoshop-releases-new-generative-expand-workflow-global-language-support-for-firefly-powered-features

Using generative fill to change the aspect ratio of an existing image

cobalt · « **Reply #182 on:** July 28, 2023, 12:43 »

That is amazing! I have so many images that I could expand and change with this tool. Also always add a good looking vertical image alongside the horizontals.

Or you have a really nice looking bridge, like in the example, but it stands in a horrible landscape or city. or a beautiful old church that is sadly located next to an industrial zone.

Now you can just move it all around to any desired location.

Adobe clients will love this and they will look in even more contracts.

Now imagine being able to do this with video…

Lina · « **Reply #183 on:** July 29, 2023, 04:54 »

AI influencer and scammed anchor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5phuCoTCOM

cobalt · « **Reply #184 on:** July 31, 2023, 12:03 »

Quote from Jo Ann from the other thread:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-could-add-another-25-093249850.html

"Adobe Inc.’s blistering rally has further to go, according to Morgan Stanley analyst Keith Weiss, who sees the creative software maker’s shares adding a further 25% over the next year."

Right now the stock is up over $20 this morning, at $551.97

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #185 on:** August 03, 2023, 10:12 »

https://venturebeat.com/ai/adobe-product-leader-says-ai-wont-kill-graphic-design-even-as-employees-worry/

A Venture Beat article adding a few quotes and tweets from Scott Belsky, chief product officer of Adobe relating to last week's story about Adobe employees' worry about genAI impact.

cobalt · « **Reply #186 on:** August 03, 2023, 11:05 »

He makes good points and I like the way he compares it with engineering.

If you have new tools that make your team more productive, you will simply give them more work.

It might still lead to some job losses, but those that are really creative will just love having new tools that allow them to work faster and try more things. It will liberate them.

wds · « **Reply #187 on:** August 03, 2023, 13:31 »

Do the various AI companies maintain enough rights to the images generated by users that they could turn around and start competing with the stock agencies?

cobalt · « **Reply #188 on:** August 03, 2023, 17:39 »

Good question.

I pay for the commercial use of my images. Would certainly be annoyed if they just went and started selling my files.

But usually the ai generators tell you you can go ahead and sell them as commercial nft art. I think we would have heard by now if the ai companies started selling the same content somewhere.

That is how it started, ai images for nft art use sold for crypto on blockchains.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #189 on:** August 04, 2023, 09:14 »

Under the headline AI Lovefest Fuels Massive Bets On Meta, Tesla, Google And Beyond...

"Companies as disparate as Palantir (PLTR), Adobe (ADBE) and Workday (WDAY) all have tapped into the AI zeitgeist while sparking interest among leading money managers....Just last month, Adobe expanded the availability of its generative AI tool to support text prompts in over 100 languages. On July 6, ADBE stock was featured as the IBD Stock Of The Day as the company took aims to monetize generative AI.

https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/mutual-funds/meta-stock-tesla-google-panw-lead-ai-stocks-to-watch-as-best-mutual-funds-fuel-artificial-intelligence-lovefest/?src=A00220

Also this morning:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/08/04/3-ai-stocks-that-are-screaming-buys-in-august/

"Over the past decade, Adobe transformed all of its flagship desktop applications -- including Photoshop, Premiere Pro, and Illustrator -- into subscription-based cloud services...

Earlier this year, Adobe expanded its older Sensei AI and machine-learning framework with a new generative AI platform called Firefly. The integration of Firefly into its Creative Cloud will streamline the production of digital media by enabling its users to create images, videos, and digital models with simple text-based prompts.

...These sweeping upgrades could spark another multiyear growth cycle for Adobe as the AI market expands."

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #190 on:** August 07, 2023, 12:00 »

NY Times article (paywall) about fake travel guides for sale on amazon. One book used as an example had an AI generated author photo - they pointed out the tell-tale signs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/travel/amazon-guidebooks-artificial-intelligence.html

amazon should do better in weeding this print-on-demand fakery out, but the scale of the problem when there are bucketloads of these types of fakes being generated makes it hard even if you are being dilligent.

"Mike Steves’s author photo shows anomalies consistent with its having been created by A.I., including unnatural elements on or near the ears (in this case, a partially formed earring) distorted clothing and a blurry and abstract background."

The story is overall about the proliferation of AI-generated largely useless guides with fake "rave" reviews:

"a new form of travel scam: shoddy guidebooks that appear to be compiled with the help of generative artificial intelligence, self-published and bolstered by sham reviews, that have proliferated in recent months on Amazon. The books are the result of a swirling mix of modern tools: A.I. apps that can produce text and fake portraits; websites with a seemingly endless array of stock photos and graphics; self-publishing platforms — like Amazon’s Kindle Direct Publishing — with few guardrails against the use of A.I.; and the ability to solicit, purchase and post phony online reviews, which runs counter to Amazon’s policies and may soon face increased regulation from the Federal Trade Commission."

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #191 on:** August 07, 2023, 12:05 »

The Guardian ran a story about the use of AI tools in architecture and what this means for the profession and the product:

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/aug/07/ai-architects-revolutionising-corbusier-architecture

"The promises – and perils – of AI have been gripping the world of architecture and design in recent months, but few have grasped that the revolution is already under way. Image-making tools such as Dall-E, Midjourney and Stable Diffusion have allowed the effortless creation of seductive visions: skyscrapers in the style of Frank Lloyd Wright, fantasy mash-ups of sci-fi and art nouveau, squidgy marshmallow staircases, buildings made of rubbish. It might be entertaining to visualise Gaudí designing kitchen gadgets or Le Corbusier embracing parametricism, but AI is already being deployed to shape the real world..."

"...XKool is at the bleeding edge of architectural AI. And it’s growing fast: over 50,000 people are already using it in China, and an English version of its image-to-image AI tool, LookX, has just been launched. Wanyu He founded the company in 2016, with others who used to work for OMA, the architecture practice of Rem Koolhaas (hence the company names). They had become disillusioned with what they saw as an outmoded way of working. “It wasn’t how I imagined the future of architecture,” says He, who worked in OMA’s Rotterdam office before moving to China to oversee construction of the Shenzhen Stock Exchange building. 'The design and construction processes were so traditional and lacking in innovation.' "

cascoly · « **Reply #192 on:** August 07, 2023, 15:27 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on August 07, 2023, 12:00

NY Times article (paywall) about fake travel guides for sale on amazon. One book used as an example had an AI generated author photo - they pointed out the tell-tale signs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/travel/amazon-guidebooks-artificial-intelligence.html

amazon should do better in weeding this print-on-demand fakery out, but the scale of the problem when there are bucketloads of these types of fakes being generated makes it hard even if you are being dilligent...

unfortunately, Amazon doesnt do any examination of self-published works - there are dozens of chatGPT & midjourney help & guides. i have kindle unlimited, i get many books for free (after $9/mo sub). i downloaded one on how chatgpt works by Stephen Wolfram -- an excellent deep dive into the innards of how these work. but now they suggest many others (how to make a million . etc) curious, i took a few, since they're free, and have seen better info coming out the back of a bull.

it's becoming another form of multi-lvl marketing and bogus help books previously vomited thru email & online ads

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #193 on:** August 08, 2023, 16:05 »

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/08/google-record-labels-working-on-deal-covering-musical-deepfakes/

"Google and Universal Music are in talks to license artists’ melodies and voices for songs generated by artificial intelligence as the music business tries to monetize one of its biggest threats....Warner Music, the third-largest music label, has also been talking to Google about a product, said a person familiar with the matter."

I hope that in time we lose the cavalier attitude about it being OK to steal copyrighted, human-created content because you can't do fun AI things without it..

Edited Oct 20 to add a story about Universal Music suing Anthropic for using copyrighted lyrics in its clone of ChatGPT (Claude):

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/universal-music-sues-ai-start-up-anthropic-for-scraping-song-lyrics/

"In addition to regurgitating lyrics, Claude responded to prompts asking for writing in the style of popular musicians with unlicensed lyrics, the music companies alleged. “When we asked the AI model to write a piece of short fiction in the style of Louis Armstrong, it uses the lyrics for ‘What a Wonderful World,’” the companies said in the filing."

"“Publishers embrace innovation and recognize the great promise of AI when used ethically and responsibly. But Anthropic violates these principles on a systematic and widespread basis,” the music groups said in Wednesday’s lawsuit."

cobalt · « **Reply #194 on:** August 08, 2023, 17:54 »

Professionally licensing content is the right way forward.

The technology will not disappear, but users should have the option to work with an ai where the producers are being compensated.

And then the market will find a new balance.

There was that article about the actress from Singapor who licensed her image for video advertising as an avatar.

Some will say how horrible, but she says it all depends on the details.

For musicians there will always be the revenue from live concerts, maybe including live streaming for those who cannot be there.

And of course many musicians or music writers will now write their songs and bring them to life with ai, with full control over everything.

Young people will grow up with all this technology at their fingertips. Who knows what they will create?

ai is just a tool. It will bring forth a new group of talent.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #195 on:** August 15, 2023, 10:51 »

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/08/the-new-york-times-prohibits-ai-vendors-from-devouring-its-content/

"...in section 4.1, the terms say that without NYT's prior written consent, no one may "use the Content for the development of any software program, including, but not limited to, training a machine learning or artificial intelligence (AI) system."
NYT also outlines the consequences for ignoring the restrictions: "Engaging in a prohibited use of the Services may result in civil, criminal, and/or administrative penalties, fines, or sanctions against the user and those assisting the user."

"For now, what has already been scraped is baked into GPT-4, including New York Times content. We may have to wait until GPT-5 to see whether OpenAI or other AI vendors respect content owners' wishes to be left out. If not, new AI lawsuits—or regulations—may be on the horizon."

offisapup · « **Reply #196 on:** August 16, 2023, 01:31 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 08, 2023, 17:54

Professionally licensing content is the right way forward.

The technology will not disappear, but users should have the option to work with an ai where the producers are being compensated.

And then the market will find a new balance.

There was that article about the actress from Singapor who licensed her image for video advertising as an avatar.

Some will say how horrible, but she says it all depends on the details.

For musicians there will always be the revenue from live concerts, maybe including live streaming for those who cannot be there.

And of course many musicians or music writers will now write their songs and bring them to life with ai, with full control over everything.

Young people will grow up with all this technology at their fingertips. Who knows what they will create?

ai is just a tool. It will bring forth a new group of talent.

I'm just amazed that in all your "AI POSITIVITY" you aren't able to grasp one simple fact.... How's an artist supposed to make money doing this? Of course, AI will enable people to create and make it easier and people will use and create and blah blah but HOW . DO THEY MAKE MONEY OFF IT IF NO ONE IS WILLING TO PAY THEM FOR IT? That is the issue. So yeah, all the young somethings can play with AI toys and make copycat music and images and movies and whatnots but all it will do is reduce everything to a hobby. There won't be a legitimate way to make money for anyone, which is already close to impossible in these times of streaming. Live concerts are great if you're Taylor Swift but ask any indie musician on the street and they'll tell you it's IMPOSSIBLE. So yeah, you'll need to brush up on those brick-lining skills because that's where bread money will be at and the entire world will be after brick-lining jobs.

cobalt · « **Reply #197 on:** August 17, 2023, 21:20 »

When exactly was this golden age when anyone interested in music was making a full time income from their gigs?

And how many are making money now by live streaming across the entire planet?

Music, acting, art are a passionate hobby for the majority of people. Always has been.

Only a very, very small group of very hard working and talented people ever became really rich or even regularly made enough for the two kids, one house, two vacations a year lifestyle.

A lot of people are now glorifying a „golden age of art that is being killed by ai“ that never really existed.

The people who are able to become top star full time income artists will also find a way to make a full time top star income when ai is around.

They are not scared. They have ideas.

Art and music as a hobby will continue forever because it is simply a fun thing to do.

Like swimming or dancing or cooking.

You don‘t give it up just because robots can dance.

Mir · « **Reply #198 on:** August 18, 2023, 16:12 »

People are uploading AI images on Adobe with the names of the artists they copied included in the title...

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=7196699137025845&set=a.1171422066220279
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=844099017274867&set=pcb.844099057274863

cobalt · « **Reply #199 on:** August 18, 2023, 16:23 »

That is just wrong. I am surprised Adobe does not have a warning system for famous artists names.

Is this not easy to implement?

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