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« on: January 03, 2025, 21:13 »
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I know no more than was posted this afternoon. Not clear to me how a combined company would be better off from the investor point of view - both are struggling to grow at the rate investors want to see.

From the contributor point of view, both agencies have a history of forcing down royalty rates, so there's probably not much good news for suppliers.

Happy New Year!

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/getty-images-explores-merger-with-shutterstock-bloomberg-news-reports-2025-01-03/

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/getty-images-exploring-merger-shutterstock-212322433.html

https://seekingalpha.com/news/4392448-getty-images-soars-on-report-that-shutterstock-is-interested-in-a-merger

Seeking Alpha incorrectly says that Getty went public in 2008 - they were bought by Hellman & Friedman in 2008 and taken private.

Probably unrelated: Adobe's stock dropped to $430.57 this afternoon after UBS issued a report describing "headwinds" in trying to monetize AI

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/c900c577-54a7-3e19-8e4a-db5d77ad79e8/adobe-stock-falls-as-ubs.html

From Barrons: "Adobe has increasingly embraced AI, rolling out its Firefly suite and incorporating generative AI tools into its flagship photo-editing software. However, UBS said early leaders like OpenAI, Runway, and Midjourney may outpace Adobe in the battle for a market the bank described as fiercely competitive."


« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2025, 22:48 »
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A Getty Shutterstock merger might get scrutiny from the US government's anti-trust watchdogs.

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2025, 23:00 »
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So Getty, Shutterstock, Pond 5, and Envato (plus all the other smaller agencies that Getty, Shutterstock, Pond 5 and Envato have bought out over the years) all owned by one company?! Cray cray! Give it 5 years and they'll be bought by Disney or Amazon!

zeljkok

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2025, 00:30 »
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SS / Getty merger makes little sense to me (but what do I know).  What would be much more logical is Adobe / Alamy merger, or Adobe buying Alamy which has strong Editorial foothold, and this is something Adobe lacks.  Ain't gonna happen but if it would I'd become exclusive. One can always dream.

Re Adobe stock drop: not really surprising. Heavy bet on that abomination they call Firefly had to come back & bite them where sun doesn't shine. I really hope they drop it. Not likely though

« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2025, 01:39 »
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A desperate move from shortsighted managements to keep their hungry investors happy... but for how long? Reality will set in after a quarter or two, and then what? Its almost ironic that Getty would choose Shutterstock as a partner. From an imagery perspective, Getty offers so much more in terms of quality and variety. Now theyre looking to merge with a library thats heavily diluted with AI content. How long before the vultures realize the bottomless pit theyre diving into?
« Last Edit: January 04, 2025, 01:47 by bennu99 »

« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2025, 04:26 »
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I do see the point that together they are a much larger business and can save a lot of costs by combined their teams (and cut down on people).

But who would be running the show???

If it is Getty, then the new company would have good media experience and probably the shutterstock library would get cleaned up drastically to remove undeclared ai.

Getty also has a great editorial team, so they could just take over.

But...if it is the Shutterstock management taking over...then Getty/istock will get run down.

That would then affect a lot of people  still making a full time income with Getty.

If it is a Getty organized buyout, I do see an advantage in a more professionally run Shutterstock and maybe a rise in clients.

I simply cannot imagine that Getty would be sold out to Shutterstock, it would probably then mean the slow death of both agencies.

Perhaps Oringer and partners want to get out.

Sell Shutterstock while the slow death is not so easy to see.

They are already being targeted by short sellers.

eta

After actually reading the links it looks like Getty is in the drivers seat.

SS stock has dropped a lot, it is actually quite clever of Getty to try to take over.

SS looks like a mess with all their mad aquisitions but no rise in sales.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2025, 04:34 by cobalt »

« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2025, 06:17 »
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Thanks for the heads-up, I have shared to the iStock forum.

« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2025, 07:21 »
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For the istock exclusives this would be very good news. All the customers they could not reach, those clients will now be coming to them.

It will make istock exclusivity more attractive again.

wds

« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2025, 09:58 »
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I believe SS was a large factor in the "race to the bottom" regarding pricing? I am not sorry to see them "go".

« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2025, 10:05 »
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SS is one of the leaders in the price race to the bottom, Getty is one of the leaders in the percentage paid to the artist race to the bottom. Together they will deliver really exciting news.

« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2025, 11:47 »
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in my opinion it could be good news from the point of view of sales volume which could increase for us contributors with a merger.

if they want to hope for a better future they must first of all change the royalty structure,the percentage for contributors must be higher,we are the ones who produce the contents,yes they sell,but they take 85% of the sale,and it is truly too much!

can be for them an opportunity to review their policies,but knowing the 2 subjects I highly doubt it!

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2025, 13:09 »
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Just to make this clear for our speculation. Getty has 3 times the corporate value of SS, roughly. 3 Billion vs 1 Billion. Getty has double the stock value of SSTK. But Getty has been paying back a large chunk of their profits (which makes them at a loss each year) for old debt. Getty doubled their customer base last year, but is still making less money, because these are the subscription buyers, not the high value, single image customers.

As far as all sources have reported this, Getty is the one proposing the merger. GETY stock jumped up and so did SSTK, based on the proposal of the merger.

I know that first I thought of "merger" I imagined one big agency. But the more I think about it, this could be a corporate merger, which leaves each as a division of the same corporation, operating on their own. No change for us.

I ask myself, do I want 15%, no change, no options, or do I want the essentially meaningless, annual reset and dime downloads. Yippee, I was up to 25 or 30% at SS and still getting 10-12 per download. 15% of a higher number has generally been, more than the measly SS dimes.

If you have Editorial, remember when iStock cut the Editorial News images because it was competition for Getty? They disabled 3,657 of mine, which was most of my IS income. Will Getty ask SS to do that as well?

Every article includes that the market for stock images has been severely devalued by AI, which is cheaper and easier to access.

« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2025, 13:23 »
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The people talking about "ai devaluing stock images" have obviously never tried to create something specific with ai.

Once you have wasted an afternoon on trying to create content, you will gladly buy from agencies again.

It simply doesn't work, you need far too many attempts and then you still need to edit in photoshop.

What was bringing prices down is the oversupply and more content being created in countries with lower costs of living.

But that is only true for images.

Why agencies decided to lower the prices for video even though there still is very little content, is something I don't understand.

Making web sizes cheap for social media use, ok, but why bring down the costs of 4k?

They might call it a merger, but the only logical way to go about it is if Getty takes over. They are the people with a solid understanding of the stock market.

Shutterstock used to have that, but they gave it all away 3 years ago.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2025, 13:45 »
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Seeking Alpha incorrectly says that Getty went public in 2008 - they were bought by Hellman & Friedman in 2008 and taken private.


Getty was brought back on the market through a SPAC, IPO in July 2022. Investors bought in at $10 a share.



"Deliberations are ongoing and Getty could choose not to pursue a deal, the report added." I don't trust much of this as anything but unconfirmed rumors. Maybe a pump and dump.

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2025, 14:17 »
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SS is one of the leaders in the price race to the bottom, Getty is one of the leaders in the percentage paid to the artist race to the bottom. Together they will deliver really exciting news.

LOL (times 3).  You are right on. 

What we are witnessing is final end of microstock starting to unfold.  2 giants, leaders in the field, not able to stay afloat and exploring desperate measures before final fold.

« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2025, 14:46 »
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depends on how this merger is managed,there are many possible scenarios.

however I don't know why every articles say "market for stock images has been severely devalued by AI" because that's simply not the case.

Istock was the first to devalue the market by lowering prices to attract more customers and reducing royalties to 15% a decade before AI,they started playing with the spring,which is a lot of fun,but then this game bounces back in your face!  :D

the price of digital content to the end customer must rise,the percentages for contributors must increase.

everything is increasing and we have to earn more,simply this.

AI will never be able to replace the work of digital media creators,AI certainly change,AI have changed the scenario,the type of work a lot....but AI will never be able to replace creators in my opinion,at least not in this century I think!  :)

« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2025, 14:52 »
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ai cannot replace creators, just like the mobile phone did not replace creators.

However, I sincely doubt royalties will go up. Prices might rise with inflation, because agencies will gradually increase prices as well.

But content creation is moving to countries with very low costs. If they can make 300 dollars a month that is a nice midlevel income in many countries.

So why should agencies pay more? Because production in New York, London and Tokio are expensive?

They all have a premium segment where a small group of producers do earn quite a bit more to cover their production.

But that is only for the pros. For a few selected pros.

The unwashed masses will be looking at lower royalties and money.



« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2025, 15:14 »
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The people talking about "ai devaluing stock images" have obviously never tried to create something specific with ai.

Once you have wasted an afternoon on trying to create content, you will gladly buy from agencies again.

It simply doesn't work, you need far too many attempts and then you still need to edit in photoshop.

What was bringing prices down is the oversupply and more content being created in countries with lower costs of living.

But that is only true for images.

Why agencies decided to lower the prices for video even though there still is very little content, is something I don't understand.

Making web sizes cheap for social media use, ok, but why bring down the costs of 4k?

They might call it a merger, but the only logical way to go about it is if Getty takes over. They are the people with a solid understanding of the stock market.

Shutterstock used to have that, but they gave it all away 3 years ago.

You're more optimistic than I am.

I have used AI to generate dozens of images that I used for mockups in a regular basis. This is coming from someone who has had a lot of success in microstock, only to see a steadily decline in the last couple years, which coincides with the rise of generative AI.

Images doesn't have to be perfect. It just have to be good enough. A lot of companies cancelled their SS accounts because they no longer need to pay for an expensive subscriptions when they can generate free images every day from certain services.

« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2025, 15:29 »
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Maybe I am doing it wrong :)

I am creating ai for stock every day, still needs loads of prompting and editing to get it right.

« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2025, 17:38 »
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I've generated some AI podcast via google in german (sorry guys!) from the reuters and bloomberg news:
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/f38ddd09-762d-4a21-9543-6f68f9f98bbe/audio

Thank's god we have gemini.

« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2025, 19:07 »
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Should this proceed, it would appear the microstock industry battle lines are being drawn up into two with one being the conglomerate of iStock / Shutterstock and all its marketplaces and the other Adobe Stock.

I'm not a trader so have little understanding of it but wondering why Shutterstock would want to do this merger with iStock when they would be merging with a company that has a lot lower share price (currently GETY at $2.39 and SSTK at $31.47)?

danielstassen

« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2025, 20:23 »
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Why agencies decided to lower the prices for video even though there still is very little content, is something I don't understand.

Making web sizes cheap for social media use, ok, but why bring down the costs of 4k?

I believe this trend has been largely driven by competition from agencies like Artlist and Storyblocks, which offer unlimited downloads through annual subscription plans. In free-market economies, prices for goods and services are fundamentally influenced by competition, supply, and demandcore principles of basic economics.

« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2025, 20:44 »
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Should this proceed, it would appear the microstock industry battle lines are being drawn up into two with one being the conglomerate of iStock / Shutterstock and all its marketplaces and the other Adobe Stock.

I'm not a trader so have little understanding of it but wondering why Shutterstock would want to do this merger with iStock when they would be merging with a company that has a lot lower share price (currently GETY at $2.39 and SSTK at $31.47)?

For starters Getty has over 78 million share and SSTK as 35 million shares thus double the amount of SS.

Brasilnut

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2025, 21:35 »
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Here's a timeline of major mergers and acquisitions since 2009 that I put together.

Have I overlooked any other ones?

Source: https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/2025/01/04/breaking-news-getty-images-and-shutterstock-discuss-potential-merger/

I thought about putting another column on "Has it benefited contributors", but it's very difficult to know for sure...except for perhaps the SS acquiring Pond5 one.

Updated chart, thanks Jo Ann for inputs.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2025, 07:12 by Brasilnut »


« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2025, 01:28 »
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2025, 01:55 »
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2006 - Quit your day job!

I remember...f*** is that really nearly 20 years ago...?

I wish I had done stock full time for 20 years. My life would be very different now with 30k good files.


« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2025, 06:52 »
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exactly,I also started late in 2018,30k files that had 20 years to mature,with countless many more interactions,by now it would have been very different!

I believe that Adobe is different from other agencies,because from what I see the way in which customer requests are managed and therefore sales works differently.

if this were not the case,it would not be possible to earn more already!

the total search for content on Adobe Stock right now reports 624 million,which is at least double of when contributors started to see a decrease in sales at other agencies.

that is,how is it possible that with 624 million content in December I made 73,5% more sales and 52,2% more earnings?

this wouldn't be possible in a "random way" with the amount of content there is on Adobe today.

and then I really don't think that a company like Adobe hasn't thought about the consequences of starting to accept AI content.

what do you think they did? they said: "but yes,let's start accepting millions of contents a week,then we'll see what happens and hope for the best!"  :D

but of course not!Adobe certainly made a long-term projection and evaluated all the consequences of this choice.

this is why in my opinion it won't matter at all on Adobe whether there will be billions of contents in the future or not,because everything has simply already been thought out down to the smallest detail,and in fact you can already see it now.


and sorry if I derailed maybe too much from the main topic...my fault sorry!  :D



« Last Edit: January 05, 2025, 08:48 by Injustice for all »

« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2025, 11:49 »
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Other than maybe Adobe buying Fotolia (and this is a big maybe) I can't think of any big acquisitions that were good for the contributors. I think the worst as I see it might be the purchase of StockXpert and Getty buying IS.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2025, 19:36 »
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Should this proceed, it would appear the microstock industry battle lines are being drawn up into two with one being the conglomerate of iStock / Shutterstock and all its marketplaces and the other Adobe Stock.

I'm not a trader so have little understanding of it but wondering why Shutterstock would want to do this merger with iStock when they would be merging with a company that has a lot lower share price (currently GETY at $2.39 and SSTK at $31.47)?

For starters Getty has over 78 million share and SSTK as 35 million shares thus double the amount of SS.

Yes, and I wrote "Getty has 3 times the corporate value of SS, roughly. 3 Billion vs 1 Billion. Getty has double the stock value of SSTK. " That's why.

I don't really want to see the merger and I don't know if SSTK actually wants to merge, but it's the natural progression of a boom market. Many companies enter, they take profits, then there's a sorting out as the small ones get bought up or go out of business. There usually end up being 2 or 3 major providers that end up on top and some smaller ones that have specialized markets that survive in their own area.

I think of the computer games business when home computers and PCs first became popular. Companies founded on one product or a line of similar games. The single game companies, got bought out and merged into the big ones, or the smaller companies, disappeared. Look at who's left, and makes games and entertainment for Xbox and the rest of the consoles.

Here's something about Microstock. Pretty much all the same images, from all the same artists and sources are available on all the major agency sites. There's no reason, except price, for buyers to go to more than one place. If the agency they use, has the types of images that they use, that's the one they will buy from. The second reason might be choice, and who has the most images. Small agencies, have neither, in most instances. The small agencies can't survive against the big agency competition, that exists on volume with a smaller profit margin.

I still don't understand how so many small agencies are still in business. My only explanation is, they are paying artists so little, that there's still enough money to run the agency. Once there's not enough profit and the expenses exceed the income, they will disappear in a blink.

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2025, 22:15 »
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Here's something about Microstock. Pretty much all the same images, from all the same artists and sources are available on all the major agency sites.

Exactly right.  This is one of several reasons why this merger doesn't make sense.  But if happens, there are some interesting implications for contributor ports.  Simple merge would not work because of duplicates.  What takes precedence?  Then, what would be front end facing contributors?   Shutterstock is better by wide margin;  but if Getty drives the merger they'd probably want to keep their model - once a month reporting ?  Managed Vocabulary ? Etc.

I am quite certain merger will not happen.  But it provides entertainment on Forums like this one.

« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2025, 10:44 »
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Here's something about Microstock. Pretty much all the same images, from all the same artists and sources are available on all the major agency sites.

Exactly right.  This is one of several reasons why this merger doesn't make sense.  But if happens, there are some interesting implications for contributor ports.  Simple merge would not work because of duplicates.  What takes precedence?  Then, what would be front end facing contributors?   Shutterstock is better by wide margin;  but if Getty drives the merger they'd probably want to keep their model - once a month reporting ?  Managed Vocabulary ? Etc.

I am quite certain merger will not happen.  But it provides entertainment on Forums like this one.

Corporate merger doesn't mean a website merger.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2025, 12:17 »
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Here's something about Microstock. Pretty much all the same images, from all the same artists and sources are available on all the major agency sites.

Exactly right.  This is one of several reasons why this merger doesn't make sense.  But if happens, there are some interesting implications for contributor ports.  Simple merge would not work because of duplicates.  What takes precedence?  Then, what would be front end facing contributors?   Shutterstock is better by wide margin;  but if Getty drives the merger they'd probably want to keep their model - once a month reporting ?  Managed Vocabulary ? Etc.

I am quite certain merger will not happen.  But it provides entertainment on Forums like this one.

Corporate merger doesn't mean a website merger.

Yes, SS left Bigstock alone, and left Pond5 so far, except for cutting our percentages. Getty messed up IS, and renumbered all the assets to Getty format, when they created ESP. But the site is still iStock looking. PA media took over Alamy, if we didn't know, it looks like the same.

I'd agree with the "why would SS want to do this?" but I can see how a corporate merger could make both of them stronger, together, than each is, alone. SS is losing market share and customers, Getty is gaining buyer accounts, but not making more money. "Simple merge would not work because of duplicates." yes, that sure would be a mess.

And what of iStock Exclusives?

Fun to watch, I wouldn't want to try to guess why Getty is proposing this or why they think SS would accept. And then what?

ShadySue

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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2025, 14:19 »
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And what of iStock Exclusives?
In theory, they could sell exclusive files on iStock, and all the rest on SS.
In practice, who knows? I've never been able to second-guess what Getty might do next.

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2025, 14:56 »
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Corporate merger doesn't mean a website merger.

True.  But accounting is completely different.  Getty Fixed 15% vs SS Levels (+ Reset),  once a month report vs real time downloads,  etc.  Does this stay as is?  Do contributors still upload & specify vastly heterogeneous metadata on 2 sides?  Are there still 2 copies of same asset even if there is single Getterstock behind?  Exclusivity vs non-exclusivity.  Where does the customer make the purchase if there are still 2 sites?  Selling model (Price / Subscriptions etc) would have to be the same in order not to favour one side over the other from customer standpoint.  Etc.  These are non-trivial issues.   It's different from when Big Fish (i.e. Getty) consumes (buys) small Fish (iStock), because now Fish is similar size. 

For all of this single front (that includes "website merger") would make sense.

« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2025, 01:04 »
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Both Getty and shutterstock operate several agencies and offer many different license and price types.

I dont think they need to merge it all into one site.

I think they both offer all content from all their agencies internally.

They must have a system to deal with duplicates for that.

Both customer groups, i.e. those with a contract from one of the SS companies or those with a contract to one of the Getty companies will have the opportunity to access millions of new fresh files.

Getty has a huge exclusive collection and Shutterstock has loads of content istock does not have because many producers dont upload there.

And for the istock exclusives and also those with a getty house contract that will mean loads of fresh new customers.

The complicated and different upload systems will probably stay for quite a while.

Even SS hasnt integrated ss p5 envato etc into one system.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2025, 06:23 by cobalt »

zeljkok

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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2025, 15:00 »
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I really didn't think this would happen, but now it's here.  It will be really interesting to see how these 2 vastly heterogeneous ecosystems co-exist and whether there will be unified front end or not.

One thing is certain though:  Race to the bottom just got twice as fast. 


ADH

« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2025, 15:15 »
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Nothing good for us will came from this merge

« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2025, 15:22 »
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SS is one of the leaders in the price race to the bottom, Getty is one of the leaders in the percentage paid to the artist race to the bottom. Together they will deliver really exciting news.
. Not just lower commissions, but they'll probably reject more submissions as well.

zeljkok

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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2025, 16:52 »
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Not just lower commissions, but they'll probably reject more submissions as well.

What makes you think that?  Not saying you are wrong, just curious.

wds

« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2025, 22:54 »
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So as an example, SS bought POND5 a while ago.

 - Did an SS memberships allow access to POND5 assets?
 - Did POND5 memberships allow access to SS assets?

- What exactly happened with that merger?
- Was it just a way to consolidate back-end services, reduce commissions, and therefore increase profit?
- What was different from the customer viewpoint as result of that takeover?

« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2025, 01:10 »
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- What exactly happened with that merger?


For us: they took 25% of the money of non-exclusives, 33% of the money of exclusives

« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2025, 03:53 »
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So as an example, SS bought POND5 a while ago.

 - Did an SS memberships allow access to POND5 assets?
 - Did POND5 memberships allow access to SS assets?

- What exactly happened with that merger?
- Was it just a way to consolidate back-end services, reduce commissions, and therefore increase profit?
- What was different from the customer viewpoint as result of that takeover?
For many, sales on pond5 have become zero.  ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2025, 05:21 »
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This is a little bit going off on a tangent sorry, but as I am a fractal artist I was interested to see a fractal used in the official Shutterstock PDF for investors. https://investor.shutterstock.com/static-files/de522e71-d1ac-4861-9427-49719876344b (the full page background for the Appendix slide). They appeared to have got the file number and artist credit wrong (!) but I managed to find the image at https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/conceptual-illustration-black-holes-merging-space-2099127601 and was amused that its description is "black holes merging". Maybe some of us can related to the black hole analogy, lol.

OM

« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2025, 19:06 »
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So....the rumours were true!

« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2025, 09:09 »
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My sales on iStock have doubled since this merger was announced, and I haven't had a download on SS since the first news of the merger.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2025, 12:27 »
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Here's a timeline of major mergers and acquisitions since 2009 that I put together.

Have I overlooked any other ones?

Source: https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/2025/01/04/breaking-news-getty-images-and-shutterstock-discuss-potential-merger/

I thought about putting another column on "Has it benefited contributors", but it's very difficult to know for sure...except for perhaps the SS acquiring Pond5 one.

Updated chart, thanks Jo Ann for inputs.

Shutterstock Bought Rex Features in 2015 which was a direct competitor of Getty.  https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/rex-features?msockid=2e522b4b6b636d5e2aa13b116a1d6c2e

Talk about interesting merger conflicts.


zeljkok

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« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2025, 21:24 »
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My sales on iStock have doubled since this merger was announced, and I haven't had a download on SS since the first news of the merger.

I don't think it's related, might be just a coincidence.  Mine are exactly the same

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2025, 13:17 »
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And what of iStock Exclusives?
In theory, they could sell exclusive files on iStock, and all the rest on SS.
In practice, who knows? I've never been able to second-guess what Getty might do next.

Yes, right all around. They could also sell SS on Getty, but they would have to drain the cesspool, remove the stolen content, take out the garbage, find and remove AI, and take out the duplicates, (how would they decide that?) before they could make anything useful, with integrity. If SS can't check for AI, stolen or Dupes, who's going to suddenly spend the time and money, to vet the collection, before it goes up for sale on Getty?

That could happen if Getty has an urge to create a curated SS collection, where they just pick and offer only those. It's much cheaper to just add a link on the bottom of the page.

The most likely outcome will be the simplest answer. It's a corporate merger not a content merger, they will operate as divisions of the same corporation. They don't have to change what we're paid, as we are already below fair compensation and the uploads keep coming in by the millions. Getty is happy paying us 15% and having a system that's discouraging for people who upload spam or stolen images. Why would they want to change that?

As long as they offer growth and hope for gains to investors, the money will flow in, and that's all they care about. We and Microstock are an afterthought, not the main business. I don't know why people can't seem to grasp that. We don't matter. When someones asks, "don't they care about us?" or "if they paid more, they would get better quality" the answer is No, they don't care.

They don't care about us personally, they don't care about the crappy AI content that they accept, they don't care about timely or accurate reviews, or quality, they don't care about image theft or duplicates. All they care about is the business, profits and investors.

Yeah... 💯
I've never been able to second-guess what Getty might do next.
👍

zeljkok

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« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2025, 22:37 »
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It's a corporate merger not a content merger

As I mentioned privately I can't see benefit coming out of this.  Content merger, in some shape or form, has to happen in order for this to make sense.  Yes there are variations (iStock exclusives on Getty, rest on SS,  etc etc) - but I tend to believe there will be some sort of 3rd, unified content platform.  Naturally, this is not easy to implement (duplicates, crappy AI, list goes on).  But this must have been discussed already.   IT guys are probably hard on it as we speak.

Rest I agree with.  They don't care about contributors, and why should they?  It is about business and profit, anyone that believes otherwise is simply living in different dimension.
This merger was likely triggered in large part by Adobe rise as it took large share of the Market, and this is the response.  If nothing, it should be interesting.

« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2025, 00:13 »
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They already have internal platforms where customers can see everything from all the different agencies they own. They already know how to deal with duplicates. Or they dont care about them like you can see on shutterstock with all the stolen duplicates.

Nothing about this is new, they both have  owned several platforms and agencies for years.

Now they just have to add the shutterrstock companies content into the already existing internal getty platforms.

The different agencies will get a shuttertock by getty label slapped on them, the way they do for unsplash or istock.

But from outside you cannot see that.

Of course it is possible they will completely overhaul their systems, with maybe also improving the getty upload system, but I wouldnt bet on it.

Brasilnut

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« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2025, 07:17 »
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Here's an update that I've just published on the Brutally Honest Blog, including a corporate crap rating from all the announcements, brought by AI.

https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/2025/01/11/getty-and-shutterstock-merger-what-it-means-for-contributors/
« Last Edit: January 11, 2025, 07:47 by Brasilnut »

« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2025, 07:27 »
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Something I thought of earlier, could the association of Shutterstock with iStock do some damage to iStock's reputation among its customers and therefore have adverse impacts on its business?   

« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2025, 10:36 »
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The end of the race to the bottom. Both collections will support each other and attract buyers, at higher Getty prices. This merger is going to be good for Microstock artists.

« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2025, 15:04 »
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I suppose if  they're no longer competing against each other on price then they can work together to stabilise prices. Continual lower selling prices is not good for the agency either. As long as our percentage of a sale doesn't decrease further then this merger might not be bad for contributors.

wds

« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2025, 17:31 »
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Let's hope so. The "race to the bottom" has gotten everyone (contributors and agencies) in trouble.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2025, 12:55 »
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If the merger goes as planned, GETY / SSTK will have 70% of the photo market. Because of the archives and the collections, they will also control some specific images. If they are the biggest and most complete agency, combined, they can also control the prices for their images.

Canva can't offer those images, and the free sites can't either. Some of Adobes images, might be unique as artists have stopped supplying IS and SS.

Interesting post by someone who knows:  https://petapixel.com/2025/01/12/stock-photographys-crossroads-can-a-getty-shutterstock-merger-fix-it/

AI: The Elephant in the Room
"To stay relevant, Getty/Shutterstock must find ways to better integrate AI capabilities into their platforms."


« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2025, 13:15 »
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If the merger goes as planned, GETY / SSTK will have 70% of the photo market. Because of the archives and the collections, they will also control some specific images. If they are the biggest and most complete agency, combined, they can also control the prices for their images.

Canva can't offer those images, and the free sites can't either. Some of Adobes images, might be unique as artists have stopped supplying IS and SS.

Interesting post by someone who knows:  https://petapixel.com/2025/01/12/stock-photographys-crossroads-can-a-getty-shutterstock-merger-fix-it/

AI: The Elephant in the Room
"To stay relevant, Getty/Shutterstock must find ways to better integrate AI capabilities into their platforms."

"70% of the photo market" Where did you get that number from? Plugged it out of thin air?

And Canva already has all Getty images!

« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2025, 13:36 »
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If the merger goes as planned, GETY / SSTK will have 70% of the photo market. Because of the archives and the collections, they will also control some specific images. If they are the biggest and most complete agency, combined, they can also control the prices for their images.

Canva can't offer those images, and the free sites can't either. Some of Adobes images, might be unique as artists have stopped supplying IS and SS.

Interesting post by someone who knows:  https://petapixel.com/2025/01/12/stock-photographys-crossroads-can-a-getty-shutterstock-merger-fix-it/

AI: The Elephant in the Room
"To stay relevant, Getty/Shutterstock must find ways to better integrate AI capabilities into their platforms."

Precisely,
in an oligopoly where competitors will not compete until death/ equal money, the chances of raising prices instead of lowering them will increase. This situation might just work and hopefully also for us, the contributors.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2025, 14:39 »
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If the merger goes as planned, GETY / SSTK will have 70% of the photo market. Because of the archives and the collections, they will also control some specific images. If they are the biggest and most complete agency, combined, they can also control the prices for their images.

Canva can't offer those images, and the free sites can't either. Some of Adobes images, might be unique as artists have stopped supplying IS and SS.

Interesting post by someone who knows:  https://petapixel.com/2025/01/12/stock-photographys-crossroads-can-a-getty-shutterstock-merger-fix-it/

AI: The Elephant in the Room
"To stay relevant, Getty/Shutterstock must find ways to better integrate AI capabilities into their platforms."

"70% of the photo market" Where did you get that number from? Plugged it out of thin air?

And Canva already has all Getty images!

Read the Blog post, I plucked it from there, and it was written by someone closer to the business and probably smarter than everyone in the forum, when it comes to understanding Microstock. I know he's way smarter than I'll ever be.

"This merger isnt about ambition; its about survival. Together, Getty and Shutterstock will control an estimated 50-70% of the creative licensing market, but their challenges remain daunting."

" An Oligopoly Cemented

The stock photography market has long been an oligopoly, and the merger of Getty Images and Shutterstock will only solidify this. The key players remain:

    Getty Images/Shutterstock (Merged Entity): Combining vast content libraries and operational scale.
    Adobe Stock: Leveraging the Creative Cloud ecosystem for consistent growth.
    Canva: While not a traditional competitor, its rise among casual users and SMBs impacts the lower end of the market."

I think he's right:

" What They Gain:

    Market Power: Greater leverage with AI companies for licensing deals.
    Cost Synergies: Potential operational efficiencies.
    Pricing Control: Ability to stabilize or even raise nano-stock pricing.

What They Risk:

    Debt Overhang: Both companies bring significant financial baggage.
    Contributor Backlash: Lower royalties and exclusivity demands could alienate creators.
    Innovation Stagnation: Focus on integration may delay much-needed transformation."

« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2025, 15:42 »
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Why would you think he is smarter than us?

Our income depends on stock, his doesn't.

And he is missing the important point: customers want ready made ai content, just like they want preshot images.

The agencies need a great ai media collection.

And they need a midjourney killer app.

danielstassen

« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2025, 20:59 »
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I wouldn't classify this as an oligopoly, considering there are other agencies with a growing selection, such as Storyblocks and Artlist. Although they may not provide the same range of choices, they still compete.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #62 on: January 17, 2025, 14:32 »
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Why would you think he is smarter than us?

I based my opinion on his credentials.

About the author: Vadym Nekhai is the former CEO of Depositphotos, where he started as the Chief Marketing Officer at the company in 2012. He served as Vice President of the organization after it was acquired by Vista Print, now known as simply Vista, from 2021 until 2024.

I think he might know how the Microstock business operates, from an insider view, knowing the agencies and the competition.


 

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