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« on: July 29, 2009, 10:12 »
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Hello all,

Enough has been published about the pros and cons of going exclusive. I don't need to hear anymore from those who are against. Neither do I need to be convinced from those who are happily stayed in exclusiveness.

The question I ask here is more on preparation and awareness.

What , in your experience , do I need to be ready BEFORE going exclusive.

Or , if I decided to get out of exclusive, what do I need to be guarded about.

As I said, this is for both sides. And please feel free to voice your experience.
I only want to know what to do. NOT what you feel whether I should or should not go exclusive.

Cheers. As always, lots of good people with expertise here. Appreciate it.

P.S.
CEOs (eg. Keith of Zymm, John of Cutcaster,etc) are welcome to write me as well, as it's good to know as much before jumping in.





« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 15:13 »
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Nearly a year ago I became an exclusive after about 4 years as an independent. I assume you've made a list of the waiting periods at each site you upload to; the first thing is to stop uploading to sites with a waiting period, but start with the longest and phase in the others as their wait times dictate (i.e. if you stopped uploading to DT today, in 3 months you'd stop at BigStock and so on). The goal is to keep earning the absolute max you can while you disentangle yourself.

Watch your payout amounts and for the sites where you control the timing (i.e. not SS or 123rf) so you can ensure you end up with a balance over the minimum at the date you want to pull the plug. Don't want to leave any money on the table. And with the exception of small sites (ScanStockPhoto was very gracious to me) the big guys will happily keep your money, so don't assume it'll be all friendly and you'll get your money anyway.

For the monthly payout sites, if you think you'll be leaving early in the month, set the minimum payout to a very high number the previous month (to be sure you don't get paid). Then, in the month you'll be leaving, set the minimum payout back to normal.

For SS, you can disable your images without deleting them via the  Opt Out button on your account page. After a certain amount of time, they'll automatically disable your account, but won't delete it. You'll want to do that (leave the accounts in place) so you can reactivate with an e-mail to support if you later decide to cancel exclusivity.

FT deleted my account even though I didn't request it (they dislike any less than glowing comments made about them in offsite forums) but otherwise I still have my accounts on most sites. I don't think it's likely someone will use my login, but I'd rather not have someone else selling images under the same name and keeping the login ensures that.

I may have forgotten something and things change in a year, but hope this helps a bit.

puravida

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 15:28 »
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what bad weed have you been smoking , bro?

have you considered one important thing, as stockastic mentioned in the other thread. that the question is not whether you want to be exclusive, but whether they (i assume you are talking about Istock) want you exclusive or not.

have you even tried to upload their max limit as a newbie? did you even get at least half of it approved?

if you haven't even done this, you should . then come back here and ask the same question.
 ;)

« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 15:31 »
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The question I ask here is more on preparation and awareness.

What , in your experience , do I need to be ready BEFORE going exclusive.

Firstly buy yourself a big tub of lube and then practice bending over and touching your toes __ when the inevitable happens it should be less painful.

« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 15:49 »
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The question I ask here is more on preparation and awareness.

What , in your experience , do I need to be ready BEFORE going exclusive.

Firstly buy yourself a big tub of lube and then practice bending over and touching your toes __ when the inevitable happens it should be less painful.

 ;D ;D ;D
I already bought a carton of lube from m@m , right after his ad on the topic of  Fotolia's  "we listen to our million" announcement  .  Now the trick is getting used to bending over and rubbing it in at the same time
 :D :D :D

« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2009, 15:57 »
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Wow, great advice Jsnover!  That should be required reading for anyone thinking of going exclusive!

I have never gone exclusive, but reading the experience of lots of people over the years, I will add two suggestions.

Before you go exclusive, DON'T go messing with your keywords on DT and trying to get out of their 6 month hold.  They will freeze all your keywords.  If you follow their rules then you won't burn your bridges there in case you ever want to go back.

If you are exclusive at istock, you may be tempted to keyword the IPTC of all your files only by Istock's controlled vocabulary.  If you ever decided to drop exclusivity you would have to re-keyword all your files to work on the other sites' search engines.  Suggestion would be to save a copy of the image keyworded for uploading to all sites, and one saved according to istocks CV.  

« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2009, 16:14 »
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Awesome response Jsnover. Very informative. And to you too Pixelbytes.
This is going better than I expected, esp. when you touched other related topics like the difference in keywording.  There's a lot more to think about , even if one is not consider going exclusive.

Keep them coming... please  8)




« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2009, 17:12 »
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If you are exclusive at istock, you may be tempted to keyword the IPTC of all your files only by Istock's controlled vocabulary.  If you ever decided to drop exclusivity you would have to re-keyword all your files to work on the other sites' search engines.  Suggestion would be to save a copy of the image keyworded for uploading to all sites, and one saved according to istocks CV.  

Better still - use DeepMeta.

It will import your IPTC keywords and match them into iStock's CV, then you can add more CV terms without affecting the original IPTC data.  And by using DeepMeta, you don't have to mess with iStock's site upload system, which even the most fervent IS supporters find difficult to defend... plus, DeepMeta makes cross-linking related images just so, so easy!

Actually though Perseus, you might get more information if you posted your question on the IS forums.  They don't bite.  Much.

« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2009, 22:49 »
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Great advice JSNOVER,

 That was clear and concise. I wrote it all down in my notes. Thanks for the advice.

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2009, 12:48 »
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Are you thinking of becoming istock exclusive Jonathan? 

I'm sure they would be thrilled to have you.  You would be a big feather in their cap. :)

Would also be great for the rest of us to hear your experiences.  Other than tacojim and jsnover I can't think of any big name independent sellers that have gone exclusive in recent years.

Moonb007

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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2009, 13:05 »
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The only sites I would even consider going exclusive with is iStock or Dreamstime...but its not beneficial personally for me.  Besides the great advise, I must say I cracked up with the tube of lube comment.

« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2009, 15:17 »
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... I must say I cracked up with the tube of lube comment.
I was tempted to answer this with my own take - I may need one tube, but it's infinitely preferable to the prior need for multiple tubes. I find the occasional urge to return to independence regularly banished by the anti-contributor (lube-requiring) antics of other sites.

But of course I wouldn't indulge in such crude analogies, so I didn't reply :)

« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2009, 16:46 »
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Are you thinking of becoming istock exclusive Jonathan? 

There's no way he could turn to the dark side with all his content out there.

« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2009, 21:38 »
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... I must say I cracked up with the tube of lube comment.
I was tempted to answer this with my own take - I may need one tube, but it's infinitely preferable to the prior need for multiple tubes. I find the occasional urge to return to independence regularly banished by the anti-contributor (lube-requiring) antics of other sites.

But of course I wouldn't indulge in such crude analogies, so I didn't reply :)

I, on the other hand, expected such crap from that member.  He's obviously anti-iStock exclusivity.  But note, when I took him to math school in another post after he incorrectly computed what I said, he shut up and did not post again in that thread for whatever reason.  Perhaps that member should use that lube to get that pickle out of his ass

Back to the thread, I just think you need to make sure you have a style that suits iStock and you can get downloads.  If you don't have that style, then no matter what you do, exclusivity won't work for you.

« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2009, 22:49 »
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Hi Pixelbytes,

 No they will not let us Macro RF shooters join unless all our work is under only the Getty umbrella. I have my work in so many different collections it would be impossible because in Macro you sign long contracts up to 7 years to be represented. Even if I wanted to pull all my work and give it to Istock I could not.
 Now Getty as well as ever agency I have ever been represented by, is very well known for change that will increase it's revenue so where we are on this rule by this time next year might be a different story. I can shoot all the Micro exclusive video I want for Istock because my motion is only represented in RM and only at Getty so that option is wide open.
 If I could I still don't know if I would but Istock does show the highest RPI of all my Micro agencies. Right now I have enough images to upload my 20 a week to Istock for the next 3 years before needing to produce another frame.
 My sales have shown the highest RPI at Istock but SS has made half my Micro income. It took 5-6 months to pay off the photos I have loaded in Micro at 5 agencies so in the first year I hope to see a 30% profit and I still have another 1,000 images from our original shooting to upload to all the sites and we have increased to ten sites now instead of 5. So hopefully when all is said and done I will make 3-4 times back on each image I produced over the next 3 years. That is only a theory because it is impossible to tell how long the shelf life will remain in Micro. For me so far so good, not nearly as fast a drop as I thought it might be. And thank you for the kind statement about the feather in the cap. Istock has some very strong shooters so that is a really nice compliment.
  I wouldn't go as far as to say the dark side. Are you actually my father SJ, I refuse to believe it but please don't laser my hand off :D

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2009, 23:54 »
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Hi Jonathan,

may I ask which further 5 agencies you have choosen to now submit to and what you based that decision on?

Sorry, this is off topic, and I haven't much to contribute to the actual topic of this thread - didn't find one that fitted my question better.

Regards,
stardust

« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2009, 02:05 »
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Hi Stardust,

 I am uploading to the following 10 Micro agencies at the moment. These were chosen by the company that is doing our post on Micro uploads www.lookstat.com. They help to research the market to see where our style of work is seeing the best sales.

SS
IS
Fotolia
Dreamstime
StockXpert
VEER
123rf
Creostock
Cutcaster
Panther

I am uploading to these Macro sites as well :

Stone RM
Iconica RM
Photographers Choice RM
Getty Motion RM
Blend Images RF
Cultura Images RF
Photodisc RF
Digital Vision RF
Brand X RF
Stockbyte RF
Punchstock RF

21 sites in total now with one brand new Macro RM/RF agency coming soon.

Best,
Jonathan
« Last Edit: July 31, 2009, 02:14 by Jonathan Ross »


« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2009, 07:27 »
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21 sites in total now with one brand new Macro RM/RF agency coming soon.

Best,
Jonathan

Joining up with Hollingsworth?

« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2009, 07:38 »
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I just think you need to make sure you have a style that suits iStock and you can get downloads.  If you don't have that style, then no matter what you do, exclusivity won't work for you.

Good point ichiro17.
I was just discussing this with another of your peer (a poster here on my thread too) in the past days via PM on this matter. He was helpful enough to give me some very objective pointers .
Yes indeed, it does require consideration if my work is IS material or not.



« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2009, 09:31 »
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Hi Stardust,

 I am uploading to the following 10 Micro agencies at the moment. These were chosen by the company that is doing our post on Micro uploads www.lookstat.com. They help to research the market to see where our style of work is seeing the best sales.

SS
IS
Fotolia
Dreamstime
StockXpert
VEER
123rf
Creostock
Cutcaster
Panther

I am uploading to these Macro sites as well :

Stone RM
Iconica RM
Photographers Choice RM
Getty Motion RM
Blend Images RF
Cultura Images RF
Photodisc RF
Digital Vision RF
Brand X RF
Stockbyte RF
Punchstock RF

21 sites in total now with one brand new Macro RM/RF agency coming soon.

Best,
Jonathan



Thanks for sharing your list Jonathan.  Thanks also for sharing your well-thought-out and researched conclusions on exclusivity and relative site performance.  As usual you have done the legwork for the rest of us :)

So you find that having a PP and upload service pays for itself?  With your volume of output and web sites I can see how it might. 

« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 10:14 »
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Perseus, If you decide to go exclusive with any site ...... what if they go belly up and close the doors. Images gone, site gone.
What do you do now?

Think twice before going exclusive in this unstable market and each site trying to under sell the other until somebody goes broke. Soon!

In another post (soon) I will tell all what I found out from a big buyer about stock photo sites in general. An eye opener!!

My two cents my friend!

-Larry

« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2009, 10:17 »
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I, on the other hand, expected such crap from that member.  He's obviously anti-iStock exclusivity.  But note, when I took him to math school in another post after he incorrectly computed what I said, he shut up and did not post again in that thread for whatever reason. 

You didn't take anyone to 'math school' you numpty. I didn't reply to your pitiful drivel as you are too thick to bother with.

« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2009, 11:10 »
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Perseus, If you decide to go exclusive with any site ...... what if they go belly up and close the doors. Images gone, site gone.
What do you do now?

Think twice before going exclusive in this unstable market and each site trying to under sell the other until somebody goes broke. Soon!

In another post (soon) I will tell all what I found out from a big buyer about stock photo sites in general. An eye opener!!

My two cents my friend!

-Larry

If they go belly up, then you just re-upload to other sites.  If not, then all is well.

« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2009, 11:34 »
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In another post (soon) I will tell all what I found out from a big buyer about stock photo sites in general. An eye opener!!


You've definitely piqued my curiosity now Larry.  :)

« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2009, 15:51 »
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Hi Sean,

 Nope! Jack is just a dear friend we are not in business together on this one. NDA's can't say anymore at this time but I will be happy to share as soon as legal is clear. The ink is drying on the paper as I type, so pretty soon. I can offer that there is no one you would know involved in this collection with the exception of myself.

Best,
Jonathan


 

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