Author Topic: Google+ (Read 10380 times)

Risamay · « **on:** July 06, 2011, 15:45 »

What do you guys think?

http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/

http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS

“By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.”

“You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.”

“You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.”

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2011, 16:27 »

I wonder what syndicated services might mean or be? I guess I don't know if this is just a legalese necessity to permit companies who help Google deliver their service do so, or if they're planning to offer "citizen journalist" content to other companies. Even if they don't change, just make ad revenue, I wouldn't want them handing off anything of mine wherever they felt like it.

On the other hand, as I use gmail, I guess this license applies to any image I might e-mail as well?

I don't really know enough to understand what's really going on, but I do know that having my own web site on which to host any images I want to make available seems like a safer place for my content.

Risamay · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2011, 16:30 »

Yes. It's very confusing. Not really sure what it means, or doesn't mean

If anyone reading has more of a clue than we do, I hope they'll post.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2011, 16:30 »

Isn't Google + designed to compete with Facebook? Or, am I thinking of something else?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2011, 16:32 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on July 06, 2011, 16:30

Isn't Google + designed to compete with Facebook? Or, am I thinking of something else?

It's Google's Facebook. There was an article yesterday about how Mark Zuckerberg got an account and is making friends on it

microstockphoto.co.uk · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2011, 16:33 »

Quote from: jsnover on July 06, 2011, 16:27

I don't really know enough to understand what's really going on, but I do know that having my own web site on which to host any images I want to make available seems like a safer place for my content.

Do you have your own dedicated server at home? Or are you using a commercial host? They *may* have similar text in place.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2011, 16:53 »

Quote from: jsnover on July 06, 2011, 16:32

Quote from: WarrenPrice on July 06, 2011, 16:30
Isn't Google + designed to compete with Facebook? Or, am I thinking of something else?

It's Google's Facebook. There was an article yesterday about how Mark Zuckerberg got an account and is making friends on it

Yeah... I saw that too ... about Zuckerman and was pretty sure it was related in some way to this TOS. Doesn't the Facebook agreement have similar wording?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2011, 17:12 »

Quote from: microstockphoto.co.uk on July 06, 2011, 16:33

Quote from: jsnover on July 06, 2011, 16:27
I don't really know enough to understand what's really going on, but I do know that having my own web site on which to host any images I want to make available seems like a safer place for my content.

Do you have your own dedicated server at home? Or are you using a commercial host? They *may* have similar text in place.

It's yahoo's small business hosting. I don't recall anything granting them a broad license to any content I upload. Plus the family images are in password protected directories, so they'd have to share passwords with any third parties, which I can't imagine they would. The only non password protected stuff is watermarked.

My husband wanted to have a server at home so he can have a place to experiment, but I've consistently veto'd that. He has the skills and the interest but not the time - plus I'd find beta software and other little surprises that might shorten our marriage

Risamay · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2011, 17:58 »

Yes, Warren. Facebook's terms/wording is similar.

http://www.facebook.com/terms.php

And as to the Google terms, I think they're blanket. The link and quote I provided is to a general Google terms page. Nothing specific to Google+ ... actually!

helix7 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2011, 11:30 »

It's common language. Many sites (probably some that many of us are currently using) include this sort of language in their terms of use. And while it's not necessarily ok that so many companies give themselves such rights to content, I don't think it's worth getting upset over since this language is so commonly used and so far hasn't done any harm to anyone.

If you're opposed to using services that include this sort of language, you should take a look at other online services that you upload content to (facebook, myspace, flickr, twitter, twitpic, dribbble, forrst, etc) because most use similar language in their terms of use/service.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2011, 13:18 »

Anyone have Google+ or Google Plus invitations to hand out. I'd like to sign up for the service to see what it looks like.

leaf · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2011, 15:09 »

diddo.. feel free to send them my way.

I also read they weren't giving out friend invites anymore, but if you include someone in a post I think they are sent an invite or something???

I'll send you one if you send me one Race... whoever get's one first.

Starbucks · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2011, 15:51 »

As Helix mentioned, this type of legal wording is almost ubiquitous for sites that host content (Facebook, Dropbox, etc). This is not an attempt to "own" people's work, but rather a necessary legal protection against frivolous lawsuits dealing with user's uploads.

melastmohican · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2011, 14:57 »

It is pretty basic comparing to FB.

Streams = walls
Circles = groups
Sparks = kind of like pages but collected from internet
+1 = Like
Photos from Picasa presented in new nicer way
Videos from Youtube
No apps.
Haven't tried chat yet.
Integrated with Twitter, Flickr, LinkedIn and some more sites.

stormchaser · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2011, 21:16 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on July 06, 2011, 16:30

Isn't Google + designed to compete with Facebook? Or, am I thinking of something else?

Yes but I also have a feeling they're looking to take on Flickr as well. What FB user cares about EXIF extraction?

link

http://www.petapixel.com/2011/07/08/easily-look-up-exif-data-in-google/

gaja · « **Reply #15 on:** July 11, 2011, 17:32 »

Have you gotten invites? I've got some extra if you want them.

leaf · « **Reply #16 on:** July 11, 2011, 21:01 »

Quote from: gaja on July 11, 2011, 17:32

Have you gotten invites? I've got some extra if you want them.

Yeah, I got one thanks. If there are others though, it looks like there are lots to go around now.

Kenny · « **Reply #17 on:** July 11, 2011, 22:40 »

I'm pretty sure anyone can sign up for google+ here http://plus.google.com

Microbius · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2011, 03:30 »

"Already invited? We've temporarily exceeded our capacity. Please try again soon."

Kenny · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2011, 13:07 »

Quote from: Microbius on July 12, 2011, 03:30

"Already invited? We've temporarily exceeded our capacity. Please try again soon."

I guess Google wasn't expecting so many users this month.

Paul Allen (Founder of Ancestry.com) predicts they will have 10 million users today. https://plus.google.com/117388252776312694644/posts/bGJPTALDkDe

Risamay · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2011, 17:33 »

Sean's article is very helpful on understanding the TOC:

http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/stop-freaking-out-over-google

Risamay · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2011, 18:51 »

Update: I thought Sean's piece was really helpful and tweeted it to @ScottBourne (author of the blog post I referenced at the outset of this thread). His reply was as follows, and (as I'm new to Twitter) when I went to follow him (because seems he posts lots of interesting stuff) I found I couldn't. I think he banned me as a troll! Despite the fact that I *thought* I was being helpful, sharing insightful info. Gah. You try and be nice to people ...

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@Risamaymay doesn't in any way answer my concerns nor should it anyone who is a professional photog. The advice is bad misses the mark.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2011, 20:00 »

I met Scott in LV, and while he seemed a nice guy, I don't see why he dismissed it.

leaf · « **Reply #23 on:** July 15, 2011, 16:43 »

You can now +1 a post... it is a little test to see if it is useful or not.

If it just slows down the site and no one uses it then it will be scrapped. I thought it would be useful though, in a thread with a few varying opinions that it is easy to see that 100 people agree with one user and no one agrees with the other opinion.

This sort of makes the heart redundant, but it is worth a little trial. Maybe a counter on the hearts would be a better solution.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #24 on:** July 15, 2011, 16:45 »

Getty has said the terms are OK - see the NY Times report here (may require registration to read).

The blog from an IP attorney referenced in the above article is here.

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