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« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2012, 17:57 »
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There was a TED talk posted today. 13 mins though:

http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html


Thanks for that link, well worth 13 minutes of my time and I would have missed it if you hadn't posted. I do agree with Clay Shirky (speaker) the way to deal with copyright violation is by trial with a presentation of evidence and the hashing out of facts.

It is for foreign companies.  Do we take these Russian or Chinese companies to trial in the US or do we fly there to file for a trial?


The UK are extraditing an English student, accused of copyright infringement to face prosecution in the US based on an anti terrorism extradition law that has been stretched beyond reason. I can't answer your question but surely something less wide ranging and open to abuse by governments prone to wealthly lobbyists would be better.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 18:06 by halfshag »


« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2012, 23:14 »
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My son is having major Minecraft withdrawal because of this "stupid SOPA" crap.  Tomorrow will be a happy day in the 10 year old crowd.

« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2012, 05:41 »
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What's good for wikipedia, is clearly not good for me!

I am a creative person.. I produce %100 original vector art that is being stolen and used illegally over and over again.. Sure, I can make complaints and have pirates take down stolen content if I notice it..

But there must be many that go unnoticed..

I am sorry but as a designer and illustrator I am with movie and music industries and everyone who backs this law, and I don't believe wikipedia's best interests are good for me personally.. Just because majority is going to enjoy stolen content and abuse my copyright (under the disguise of freedom of speech supposedly) I don't want to put up with piracy..

this video is crap http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html

who says sharing should be free? and why should it be free? Is it free to create content? Do we, designers and photographers not pay for things? Well, I am sorry but internet is too wild and it is wrong..

I think of the internet today, like the "wild west" which will eventually reach to a point where legality is normal..

Microbius

« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2012, 06:05 »
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Totally for it. It will (hopefully) change the internet. But I see that as a good thing. Website owners will have to start taking responsibility for the content they put out there (or allow their users to put out there).
All the stuff about legit websites getting shut down is just scare mongering by people who love to get stuff for free, or make money off others getting stuff for free.

It's the usual pitiful arguments about freedom of speech which really don't hold any water as soon as you start looking into them.
"We'll be shutting down sites just like they do in China" etc. Well we don't say "We'll be locking up people just like they do in China" because the difference is in the context.
"We'll be infringing on people's freedom of speech just like they do in x, y and z" Well I worry more about not protecting artists work which is a direct violation of their human rights and if your a US citizen also against the constitution.

People need to get a grip and be a bit more honest about their motivation, as consumers in a market place it is their role to try and get things as cheaply as possible. No problem there, it's just that the internet has made the lowest price free. It's high time the balance started to be redressed somewhat by producers.

And of course the majority of users will be against it, most of them are on the consumer side of the equation.

« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2012, 06:11 »
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^^^ Very well put! Agree 100%.

« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2012, 06:29 »
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...All the stuff about legit websites getting shut down is just scare mongering by people who love to get stuff for free, or make money off others getting stuff for free.
I play a bit of online poker and I remember people didn't think the US government would ban people in the US playing online poker.  It seemed crazy when they can walk in to a casino and play.  It did happen though, so I don't see the threat of legit sites being shut down for minor misdemeanors as being scare mongering.

I'm all for shutting down the sites that only share pirated media but they could easily go too far, like they have with online poker.  Never underestimate how corrupt and stupid politicians can be.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2012, 06:31 by sharpshot »

« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2012, 06:48 »
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One more thing to add.. I always found the attitude of sites like youtube mind boggling.. They don't take enough responsibility..

If shutterstock can check every single upload, so can youtube! If the reviewer is well informed about copyright infringing material it will take a second to press "refuse" button..

If you can find movies like "pirates of the caribbean on stranger tides" on youtube in full and for free, I am sorry but youtube has to think the way they operate through! That is not freedom of speech and expression.. That is copyright infringement and youtube has enough money to have reviewers to at least stop people uploading full length hollywood movies..

And once people get the idea, (after a while) they will not even bother uploading a 2 hour full length movie because they will know it will be refused and it is not worth their time to keep being internet pirates!

If you don't do anything to stop it.. They will continue uploading blockbusters with ease and your job of protecting the copyright is going to be even more difficult..

Microbius

« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2012, 07:12 »
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I play a bit of online poker and I remember people didn't think the US government would ban people in the US playing online poker.  It seemed crazy when they can walk in to a casino and play.  It did happen though, so I don't see the threat of legit sites being shut down for minor misdemeanors as being scare mongering.

I'm all for shutting down the sites that only share pirated media but they could easily go too far, like they have with online poker.  Never underestimate how corrupt and stupid politicians can be.

It wasn't the law used to ban it that was to blame for that, if anything it was due to a lack of legislation. The States were just scared that the Federal government could use the  the 1961 Wire act against them. A law that actually had nothing to do with the internet at all!
There's finally been a proper ruling now so the states should be free enact online gambling now/ soon.

Microbius

« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2012, 07:16 »
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Here's an example of the problem with the current reactive state of play:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/photodune/envato-and-copyright/msg238908/?topicseen#new

A site that knows that there are violations going on all over the place, but they know that the DMCA covers them till a complaint is made.
They are within the letter of the law but are basically using the law as a loophole rather than having any interest in the spirit of the law or taking any sort of care about the stuff posted on their site.
And that is a site many of us actually trust with our work!
That's the kind of cr*p I hope legislation will sort out.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2012, 07:20 by Microbius »

« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2012, 07:30 »
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Here's an example of the problem with the current reactive state of play:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/photodune/envato-and-copyright/msg238908/?topicseen#new

A site that knows that there are violations going on all over the place, but they know that the DMCA covers them till a complaint is made.
They are within the letter of the law but are basically using the law as a loophole rather than having any interest in the spirit of the law or taking any sort of care about the stuff posted on their site.
And that is a site many of us actually trust with our work!
That's the kind of cr*p I hope legislation will sort out.


Envato is not within the letter of the law on this one, at least not here in the US.  For an Online Service Provider, like YouTube, to be protected from copyright violations, they must be a registered OSP with the US Copyright Office.  They are not registered.

http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/list/e_agents.html

Microbius

« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2012, 07:31 »
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Oh wow, I thought they were okay until they received a DMCA from as long as they could say "It wasn't us gov, it's our users"
Interesting.......

« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2012, 07:39 »
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Oh wow, I thought they were okay until they received a DMCA from as long as they could say "It wasn't us gov, it's our users"
Interesting.......

Assuming a DMCA take-down notice in the terms of service protects an OSP from copyright violations is a mistake numerous websites make.

traveler1116

« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2012, 10:12 »
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Errrr.  Just wrote to my representative a long thoughtful email on why I support SOPA and PIPA and the response was:  "Thanks for your email in opposition of SOPA" and that's it.  Thanks "representative".

« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2012, 10:19 »
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Your representative must have been one of the brainiacs on the IP Committee.  Check out this clip from last night's Jon Stewart to see what I mean.   ;D

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-18-2012/ko-computer

« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2012, 10:48 »
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Not really sure, but leaning towards the protesting crowd. I've seen too many rules like this hitting the honest users or the ones violating it by mistake while the real abusers remain unaffected.

As far as I can say, these acts are - at the current revision - very vague which only strengthens my doubts.

Microbius

« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2012, 11:24 »
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Not really sure, but leaning towards the protesting crowd. I've seen too many rules like this hitting the honest users or the ones violating it by mistake while the real abusers remain unaffected.

As far as I can say, these acts are - at the current revision - very vague which only strengthens my doubts.
Which rules have hit honest users? Just interested to know.

« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2012, 12:58 »
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Not really sure, but leaning towards the protesting crowd. I've seen too many rules like this hitting the honest users or the ones violating it by mistake while the real abusers remain unaffected.

As far as I can say, these acts are - at the current revision - very vague which only strengthens my doubts.
Which rules have hit honest users? Just interested to know.

Let me give you two examples. Both are obviously different in many aspects...

1. CD/DVD/Software copyright protection. As far as I know it did not reduce volume of illegal copies that much (if at all). It however prevented me personally from playing a CD in my car's CD player and it prevented me from playing a DVD on my Linux based laptop (just because they were somehow not compatible with that particular disk protection) - both were bought legal copies. It forced my brother (who plays computer games) to look for a "crack" for his legally obtained computer game to get the thing run on his computer. And it is well known that this happens regularly to people around the world.

2. In my country there was - for certain period of time - rather strict legislation in the area of drug abuse. The laws said that anyone can be sentenced to prison for holding "drug quantity greater than small" (it was this vague). It lead to several sentences for marihuana smokers as well as other people that certainly did not participate in drugs business. It was changed after several years because statistics proved it did not improve situation at all and did not hit the actual drug business at all.


« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2012, 13:07 »
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What's good for wikipedia, is clearly not good for me!

I am a creative person.. I produce %100 original vector art that is being stolen and used illegally over and over again.. Sure, I can make complaints and have pirates take down stolen content if I notice it..

But there must be many that go unnoticed..

I am sorry but as a designer and illustrator I am with movie and music industries and everyone who backs this law, and I don't believe wikipedia's best interests are good for me personally.. Just because majority is going to enjoy stolen content and abuse my copyright (under the disguise of freedom of speech supposedly) I don't want to put up with piracy..

this video is crap http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html

who says sharing should be free? and why should it be free? Is it free to create content? Do we, designers and photographers not pay for things? Well, I am sorry but internet is too wild and it is wrong..

I think of the internet today, like the "wild west" which will eventually reach to a point where legality is normal..


Do you think this bill will stop people from lifting your illustrations?

wut

« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2012, 13:44 »
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I must sound awfully  ignorant, but how can the US take down foreign websites which fall under other jurisdictions...?
I dont quite get it  :-\ Isnt that why Heroturko and consorts are still around, because they fall under Russian jurisdiction and Russia doesnt want to do anything about it?

A friend told me that 11 out of 13 DNS servers is in the states and if they shut them down, virtually all web traffic is down

« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2012, 15:27 »
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Do you think this bill will stop people from lifting your illustrations?

Stop! maybe not..

make it difficult? Yes!

LSD72

  • My Bologna has a first name...
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2012, 16:28 »
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« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2012, 16:35 »
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It has started. Megaupload got shutdown today... for your reading...

http://techland.time.com/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-megaupload-com-file-sharing-website/?iid=ent-main-mostpop2


Can't tell you how many times this week my face has looked just that kid's.  Priceless!  :D

« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2012, 16:53 »
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Do you think this bill will stop people from lifting your illustrations?

Stop! maybe not..

make it difficult? Yes!

Why would it make it any more difficult than it already is?

« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2012, 17:40 »
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Just a thought...

Denying copyright owners access to these sites causes the unintended consequence of us not being able to effectively monitor infringements on our work.  How can we bring charges against these companies or send them DMCA notices, if we can't even see they are infringing on our property rights in the first place?  That's an issue that should be addressed in the legislation.

« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2012, 18:25 »
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Apparently the bill is dead and i cant say i regret it  ::)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57362990-501465/sopa-is-dead-smith-pulls-bill/


 

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