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« on: January 17, 2023, 07:41 »
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Im a reader of his blog and I now see he started uploading to Unsplash & Pixabay
https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/2023/01/16/uploading-to-the-free-download-sites-as-an-experiment-unsplash-and-pixabay/
I cant really understand how is that going to help us contributors though.


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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2023, 08:56 »
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Why should it help us? It's something he's decided to do as an experiment, with his content, and he's explained why he's trying it in the post.

« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2023, 09:15 »
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Alex can obviously try whatever experiments he feels will be valuable with his content - as pointed out above.

I would note that I wasn't at all impressed by the earnings chart of the person whose experience persuaded Alex to try this route. I earn more in a month from Adobe Stock than James Wheeler did (from Adobe Stock) in 12 months. I currently earn nothing from Shutterstock as they closed my account when I protested their 2020 royalty cuts, but the same was true for them before I became an outcast.

I don't have a large portfolio (just over 2,000 images) and as it earns reasonable returns, I wouldn't consider putting that at risk with an experiment similar to Alex's. If I earned what James Wheeler does, I'd have a lot less to lose and thus would probably be more willing to try out various things to boost my earnings.

The impact of free sites is already clear in that royalty per download is lower than it was, even when earnings are up because download volume is up.

« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2023, 12:36 »
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There may be other benefits (other than just donations, i.e., notoriety), but taking a look at his other social media accounts (i.e., youtube accoutn, etc) - doesn't really seem to have impacted/benefited it that much, especially if those volume numbers are accurate (i.e., 650+ "million" views, very easy to 'fudge' statistics with computer programs just to make a sight look more presitigious than it is, etc).

« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2023, 15:21 »
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Seems like a quick way to get your portfolio re-posted and resold by others around the world.  I hope Alexandre does a reverse image search in a year or so to see where his shots have traveled. 


« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2023, 16:08 »
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The experiment differs from what James is doing though.
As far as I understood, he has his better selling images also available on Pexels and Pixabay, and he has over 100.000 downloads there every month.
As he said in his video, it really takes a huge volume of downloads to get a fair amount of donations.

I just don't see this happening with pretty generic images. Not in volume, and not in donations.
No offence, but will a bunch of generic images like an udder full of milk or green banana's on a tree generate a significant amount of downloads and who will actually donate for that type of content?

Of course I can be wrong, so curious to see how the experiment Alex is doing will turn out.
His experiences can help others to make their own decisions.

« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2023, 19:09 »
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There are quite a few youtubers who suggest something like that, upload to agencies but also upload to free sites hoping for donations.

The question i always have - how much money do they make on youtube or social media with their videos?

Should that not be part of their income results?

« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2023, 04:47 »
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LOL Alex isnt selling his soul. He isnt primarily a photographer or journalist. Hes part of the blogosphere making money from referrals, links and views. Hes just after links and clicks, as usual. The value for him doesn't come from selling licenses but from writing about the experience. Devaluing his work is irrelevant for him. See previous discussions on this forum, for example about his Vecteezy or Freepik articles.

ETA: for example
https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-big-6/my-first-month-with-freepik-!/
« Last Edit: January 18, 2023, 04:54 by Justanotherphotographer »

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2023, 08:42 »
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Hey Theo, thanks for posting a link to the post. Interesting discussion.

I had a good think about this experiment and all your comments and will make the following adjustments:

1. For the sake of eventually getting more downloads which hopefully will become donations, I'll have to submit more quality content. This means that such quality images will probably lose all their value once given away for free (no doubt downloaded and re-sold by thieves), but then again perhaps most buyers won't bother shopping around that much (which is also part of the experiment). Perhaps what may work best are the dramatic fine artsty type shots that would do well on FAA. For the sake of experimentation it needs to be done as green bananas aren't going to be a hit; Here's some of my latest uploaded at Pexels - https://www.pexels.com/@brutally-honest-427052750/

2. As suggested by Trek, I'll conduct reverse searches on such images to see how many have ended up trying to be licensed by thieves at micros. Could be a fun little side project, doubt this has been covered elsewhere by other bloggers;

3. Curious to see if there's footage to be accepted by some of these sites to be given away for free. Perhaps footage would bring in more donations than stills. I don't mind giving away some footage that has never sold for many years, particularly if it's only HD.

Update: So far my images are pending review at Pixabay and Unsplash. Amazing how they still check for technical quality even if being given away. What they really should be checking for in view of rejecting unreleased content particularly at sensitive places which may lead to legal issues later on.

@justanotherphotographer

What I make from referrals is perhaps enough for a beer or two once a month and the way inflation is going soon will just be a chocolate bar/month! :D 
« Last Edit: January 18, 2023, 09:36 by Brasilnut »

« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2023, 10:46 »
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Yes.

« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2023, 11:48 »
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Hey Theo, thanks for posting a link to the post. Interesting discussion.

What I make from referrals is perhaps enough for a beer or two once a month and the way inflation is going soon will just be a chocolate bar/month! :D

so better than Dreamstime.

Brasilnut

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2023, 08:30 »
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Exchanged some ideas with James and he provided the following tip which I'll follow:

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Also, one  thing I started trying recently is uploading the lowest resolution allowed to pexels (which is 4 megapixels), this make them useful for online but not that useful for print.  The idea is that if someone sees an image they want on pexels but need a higher resolution image they need to buy it from me.  Hasn't resulted in much yet but another thing you could try.  Hope it helps.

« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2023, 12:31 »
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Exchanged some ideas with James and he provided the following tip which I'll follow:

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Also, one  thing I started trying recently is uploading the lowest resolution allowed to pexels (which is 4 megapixels), this make them useful for online but not that useful for print.  The idea is that if someone sees an image they want on pexels but need a higher resolution image they need to buy it from me.  Hasn't resulted in much yet but another thing you could try.  Hope it helps.

The reason it a "hasn't resulted in much" is that it isn't correct that 4MP is "not that useful for print". Maybe if you're printing large posters but it'll work just fine for most other print, with a bit of upscaling or dropping to 200 DPI if necessary (it's 6.67 inches square at 300dpi). The chances of people finding your work on one of these free sites and also needing it in a larger resolution, and also being prepared to pay for it is so vanishingly small basing a business model on it is...unwise.


 

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