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« on: March 21, 2017, 21:37 »
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I have never been sued, but I have friends who have.  Two photographers and one attorney friends.  They seem to not ever worry about the SUE word.  They just say it's so common in the society that we live in even people in jail does it.


If you have or been close to hearing this awful scary word, how did you handle it.  I'm asking because I took some photos at a public place which were not on the radar list and my camera was looked at and my smart card was removed by security and the guy told me.  "You are so lucky, I might sue you but I won't this time." (New York wall Street and taxi cabs from the rear)


So, I guess we just live in a SUE society.  Should I be afraid from now on to go outside and take pictures at a public place?   Thanks.


« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 03:28 »
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Was it actually a public place, or a private place that allows the public?  Either way, I certainly wouldn't let anyone touch my camera, or card.

« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 03:35 »
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Sean--it was a public place.  I was outnumbered (3) to one and they had guns.  This happened at night and I was taking time laspe exposures with a tripoid.  I guess if I had a small smartphone it might had happened without being noticed.  Although I am an African american male, I can't run as fast as I use to.

« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 04:47 »
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I have never been sued, but I have friends who have.  Two photographers and one attorney friends.  They seem to not ever worry about the SUE word.  They just say it's so common in the society that we live in even people in jail does it.


If you have or been close to hearing this awful scary word, how did you handle it.  I'm asking because I took some photos at a public place which were not on the radar list and my camera was looked at and my smart card was removed by security and the guy told me. "You are so lucky, I might sue you but I won't this time." (New York wall Street and taxi cabs from the rear)


So, I guess we just live in a SUE society.  Should I be afraid from now on to go outside and take pictures at a public place?   Thanks.
If you were in a public place and not a private area, you should find this person and report him to the authorities.  It isn't against the law to take photos in a public area in the USA.  They have no right to remove your smart card.  Read this http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 05:08 »
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2017, 05:51 »
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I've been sued three times! Fun. Perhaps people are still touchy about folks shooting in the financial district. But more likely you were harassed there because you're black. I'm glad they just threatened to sue you and didn't do anything worse.

« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2017, 07:24 »
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I've been sued three times! Fun. Perhaps people are still touchy about folks shooting in the financial district. But more likely you were harassed there because you're black. I'm glad they just threatened to sue you and didn't do anything worse.
Was it because people didn't like what the photo was being used for?  How did you deal with it?  I can understand people suing if they trip over a tripod and break something but if they signed a model release or it's an editorial photo, do they have a case?

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2017, 10:18 »
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None of my lawsuits had anything to do with photography or illustration. Two had to do with my mom's estate, and the third is a lame attempt to intimidate me. Still, when someone sues you, no matter how ridiculous their suit, you're forced to hire a lawyer to represent you. Sometimes (like the third suit) the whole idea is to force you to spend money on an attorney. My attorney is so nice and this latest lawsuit is so dumb he offered to represent me pro bono. You'd better believe I'll use his services from now on.

I've sued people as well. Lawsuits are something I never thought I'd ever be involved in.

So far I've always won. Knock wood.

« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2017, 10:38 »
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It sounds as if this security guard was just trying to intimidate you with a threat to 'sue', and it obviously worked. I believe someone can only sue you for damages of some sort, and being in a public place taking photos doesn't cause any damage to anyone, unless as Shelma said, someone were to trip over your tripod, etc.

You, on the other hand, could maybe bring charges for the theft of your smart card?!


« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2017, 11:47 »
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I'm happy I don't live in the USA.

dpimborough

« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2017, 17:16 »
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" removed by security and the guy told me.  "You are so lucky, I might sue you but I won't this time." (New York wall Street and taxi cabs from the rear)"

The security guard was talking rubbish they can not "sue" you likewise a cop can not sue you.

If you commit aggravated or criminal trespass then you can be run through the criminal system

Taking photos in a public place is not a criminal activity.  If you are on private property (in the USA) then rent-a-mall-cop can give you a ticking off but they can't sue you.

He obviously weighed his balls that morning and found them sadly lacking so had to take it out on you.

« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2017, 17:22 »
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Never sued but stopped by anti-terrorist guys near Ministry of Defence in London gave my a ticket to say I'd been stopped and radioed for security check....nice chaps despite the sub-machine guns. Wouldn't go near somewhere like that in current climate. Been told off a few times by jobsworth security bods....not such nice people as they are only pretend.

dpimborough

« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2017, 17:28 »
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I've been sued three times! Fun. Perhaps people are still touchy about folks shooting in the financial district. But more likely you were harassed there because you're black. I'm glad they just threatened to sue you and didn't do anything worse.

You don't have to be black to be harassed I was in NJ sheltering in the bottom level of a multistorey on the way back to the hotel with the tripod just to have renta-cop turn up in his bright yellow truck demanding to know who I worked for and who I was taking photos for blah blah BUDDY ! (like HEY BUDDY! ....)

Lucky I have a nice accent and explained I worked for no one and it was a hobby and I was sheltering after trying to get shots of the lightning.

I packed up and left in the rain and the guy starts crawling up behind me, winds down his window and gives me the third degree.  I had a sick creepy moment I might end up with a gun in my face or even have the real police brought in on it.

 :(

« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2017, 17:46 »
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I know in the UK you should not be asked to wipe your card...the logic being..

  • If you haven't done any thing wrong then no one has the right to ask to wipe your card..

    if you had done something wrong then wiping the card is destroying the evidence..

That said if they have guns i wouldn't argue!

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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2017, 17:52 »
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I've been sued three times! Fun. Perhaps people are still touchy about folks shooting in the financial district. But more likely you were harassed there because you're black. I'm glad they just threatened to sue you and didn't do anything worse.

You don't have to be black to be harassed I was in NJ sheltering in the bottom level of a multistorey on the way back to the hotel with the tripod just to have renta-cop turn up in his bright yellow truck demanding to know who I worked for and who I was taking photos for blah blah BUDDY ! (like HEY BUDDY! ....)

Lucky I have a nice accent and explained I worked for no one and it was a hobby and I was sheltering after trying to get shots of the lightning.

I packed up and left in the rain and the guy starts crawling up behind me, winds down his window and gives me the third degree.  I had a sick creepy moment I might end up with a gun in my face or even have the real police brought in on it.

 :(

Ha! Tell me about it. You know how many times I've been pulled over for Driving While Blonde? And try walking down the street in Manhattan as a female without being harassed. But nothing I've experienced even comes close to the way black people are treated in the USA.

« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2017, 18:08 »
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Quite a few years ago, I was at a live animal exhibition within a shopping center in Australia. There were various native animals roaming around in these enclosures. A security guard comes up and really gets stuck into me. He seems convinced that I was there to steal animals! All I was doing was walking around taking photographs. I even had my camera out when he approached me. He lectured me and gave me warnings etc and all of it was nonsense. He told me really sternly that: "If you try and get an animal out of here, I promise you - you won't make it." And telling me that I was being watched. He was talking to me non-stop in quite a fast-paced and serious manner - uttering all sorts of garbage. I had enough of that and walked out when he was in mid-sentence.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2017, 18:13 by dragonblade »


« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2017, 16:14 »
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if anyone ever asks to see your camera or recordings, tell them no, unless they are a police officer. no one has the right to look at your material no matter if you are on their property or not. if anything, take a photo of anyone that bothers you, they are scared of having their photo taken more so than anything.

courts only grant rights to law enforcement (police). private security guards do not have rights granted by courts.

do not film any place that the US government or local government has posted that you cannot film. there are special photography laws for certain locations.

if a private security official harasses you, tell them to call the police, or call the police yourself.

« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2017, 16:19 »
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aaah the forum lawyer

angelawaye

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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2017, 16:28 »
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Well don't ever take a photo of a (large) bridge! I was taking one and "they" got my plate number on my car and then called my house and "followed up" with me asking what I was doing. I was terrified!

I'm probably on some list now...

« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2017, 16:44 »
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the world has gone paranoid

Stockvideo99

« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2017, 21:16 »
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Well don't ever take a photo of a (large) bridge! I was taking one and "they" got my plate number on my car and then called my house and "followed up" with me asking what I was doing. I was terrified!

I'm probably on some list now...

Here in Cameraphobic Canada it happens all the time, if "they" is the police and they called you then chances are a member of the public saw a suspicious person armed with a camera and called 911, you probably left the scene by the time police got there so they contacted you based on your plate information and yes you are now in the police database and the suspicious person call is also tagged to your name and will come up on the police computer.

It's not necessarily a bad thing provided the officers entered the correct information in the narrative, just a couple of lines stating you are a stock photographer or freelance photographer and that can actually help you down the road the next time someone calls in your plate to 911 as suspicious and taking pictures as then responding officers will see the notes and probably relax a bit.

It's gotten so bad here that I don't enjoy setting up my tripod and camera anymore, not too much hassles from private security as long as you are on public property, the odd one might not want you filming their office tower but the biggest problem is the public calling the cops every time they see a person with a camera taking pictures.

I wish I could do more of my photography with a small point and shoot, something that looks more tourist-like.

The ones that don't call the cops still quite often stop and ask me, what are you filming?, do you have permission? I am filming whatever is in front of the camera and no I don't need permission to film ice melting on a frozen lake, got asked by 8 people that one afternoon.....it's just gotten stupid.



« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2017, 07:49 »
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I'm sure the bad guys would just use a mobile phone to take photos of places they want to attack.  The last thing they would do is use a big camera and a tripod.  So why isn't everyone taking photos with a mobile phone being reported to the police?  This is so crazy, it has to change at some point doesn't it?  I really miss the days when photographers weren't looked at suspiciously.  I do think at some point we need to take action to stop this happening.  It gets really tiring having to justify doing something that's legal and harmless because other people are so stupid.

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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2017, 07:56 »
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I got stopped and had my details taken when shooting Schiphol in Amsterdam like 5 years ago.

It's strange because I was on a public road. They were "nice" enough just tell me to leave.

I love shooting airports/airplanes but it's all got a bit silly especially in the past 3 years. I'm dying to get some editorial shots of people going through immigration in the UK...
« Last Edit: March 24, 2017, 08:08 by Brasilnut »

« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2017, 08:13 »
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I have not been sued in photography, but I have sad experiences with many court cases from my previous job as a business manager. In fact one court case is still open and might run another ten years, even though i already won the main case and nothing serious will happen to me.

The main problem with court cases is that they suck money, time and life energy out of you. You cannot just walk away from a court case if someone sues you, only the courts can end it.

Most cases were normal business cases, competitors suing us with fraudulent claims, me suing them for unfair trade practices or customers who wont pay...etc..but I am also involved in an incredibly long drawn out court process, that initally started under my father in the eighties.

Unfortunately, our opponent inherited a huge amount of money soon after he retired and is now using this to get his revenge on the whole world.

He also imagines himself to be a lawyer and writes incredibly long arguments full of lies and distortions. But since the law requires that every point has to be refuted in detail, I end up spending hours and hours putting it all together. I have documents going back to 1982 and patents from 1890.

And I cant throw anything away...because the case isnt really finished.

I did learn a lot about legal stuff and can prepare things very well for my lawyer, but it feels like being forced to dance with a vampire.

And you cant close it with money, he keeps saying he will spend the rest of his life suing all of us, especially his former best friend who was my business partner. And sadly he succeeded, his marriage was ruined over all the stress. But it is not enough, our opponent has vowed he will restart the court case again and again under a different angle.

He is driving everyone crazy, including the judges, but they cant stop him either and he doesnt care about losing all the money.

He is also a kind of stalker, at one point he and his wife apparently spent 5 days in their caravan parked close to my office to "observe" when me and the team come and go or have lunch. At the same time I was negotiating with his lawyer in Munich and he kept telling me his client was on holiday and couldnt be reached...he was literally 20m away from us in a huge parking lot....we only found out on the last day...and he also does this with other people he sues. he calls it "collecting information" and tries to get into their offices...

My lawyers says, there are a group of people that just love to be in court, it is a very emotional form of entertainment for them. Especially if they can win just once, it can become a lifelong addiction. They collect the verdicts like prizes.

I dont know what it is like in the US, but anyone being sued, you have my sympathies.


 

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