Author Topic: Zoonar & Alamy (Read 10817 times)

CD123 · « **on:** February 25, 2011, 16:18 »

Hi
Has any contributor to Zoonar ever had any of your images accepted through their "partnership" with Alamy. My oldest image submitted by Zoonar to Alamy was 11 Jan 2011 and is still not evaluated. Is the "partnership" a hoax or does Alamy take this long to evaluate images?

If the partnership is real, did anyone ever had sales through Zoonar at Alamy?

ShadySue · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2011, 16:21 »

Quote from: CD123 on February 25, 2011, 16:18

Hi
Has any contributor to Zoonar ever had any of your images accepted through their "partnership" with Alamy. My oldest image submitted by Zoonar to Alamy was 11 Jan 2011 and is still not evaluated. Is the "partnership" a hoax or does Alamy take this long to evaluate images?

If the partnership is real, did anyone ever had sales through Zoonar at Alamy?

Alamy usually has a turnaround of c1-2 days. If it gets up to a week, it usually means you've had a rejection.
I know nothing of Zoonar, so can't answer that specifically.
Note that if a sale is made through an Alamy 'agent' you get 40% rather than 60%. I'm guessing, but don't know, that this would apply to Zoonar.

tubed · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2011, 17:52 »

Quote from: ShadySue on February 25, 2011, 16:21

Quote from: CD123 on February 25, 2011, 16:18
Hi
Has any contributor to Zoonar ever had any of your images accepted through their "partnership" with Alamy. My oldest image submitted by Zoonar to Alamy was 11 Jan 2011 and is still not evaluated. Is the "partnership" a hoax or does Alamy take this long to evaluate images?

If the partnership is real, did anyone ever had sales through Zoonar at Alamy?
Alamy usually has a turnaround of c1-2 days. If it gets up to a week, it usually means you've had a rejection.
I know nothing of Zoonar, so can't answer that specifically.
Note that if a sale is made through an Alamy 'agent' you get 40% rather than 60%. I'm guessing, but don't know, that this would apply to Zoonar.

Plus Zoonar takes another 40% cut of your earning that sr given to them.. so it would be on a sale of $100 - 40% = $60 - 40% = $36 That really sucks..

Michael · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2011, 06:27 »

Zoonar doesn't simply transfer all photos to a partner agency like Alamy. First we have to check the image quality and the image metadata. For Alamy we have to assign so called essential keywords and main keywords as well as some additional information (number of people visible, release information, etc.). This work is done by our editorial staff and this takes time. As a photographer you have the option the release all your images for a partner and you don't have that much work. We pay out 60% of the net revenues which we get from Alamy. That's a fair deal.

Currently there are 300,000 images supplied for Alamy which are waiting for an editorial check. Therefore it takes time before new images may be approved. After transmitting the images we have to wait for the final approval from Alamy. Alamy may reject an uploaded batch but luckily this didn't happen as our editorial staff works very thoroughly.

The Zoonar partner management offers you the the option to supply your images with only one click to different partners, e.g. AGE, Photolibrary, DDPI, Picturemaxx or Fotofinder and we will add new partners in the near future. Our goal is to build up an international distribution network with 15-20 partners. It will always take time before the images are online at a partner's site but that's usual in the photo business.

CD123 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2011, 16:16 »

Thank you for the feedback Micheal.

Quote from Michael: "Zoonar doesn't simply transfer all photos to a partner agency like Alamy."

Yes, so I have noticed. I specifically queried the ones already indicated as being selected for Alamy, as your other partners are actually quite quick in their approval process (although my images normally only get sent to 3 of them and then the odd one to Alamy).

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2011, 02:36 »

Perhaps it's a silly question, but why not just sell through Alamy directly? Although you have one more agency to upload to, you then get to keep all the royalty Alamy pays (60% is what I get - I think that's standard).

fxegs · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2011, 04:37 »

Quote from: jsnover on February 27, 2011, 02:36

Perhaps it's a silly question, but why not just sell through Alamy directly? Although you have one more agency to upload to, you then get to keep all the royalty Alamy pays (60% is what I get - I think that's standard).

+1

Take care with partnerships. Sometimes if you accept one, you will not be able to contribute directly with the partner agency never. Read all the agreement before accepting it.

Michael · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2011, 10:09 »

Quote from: fxegs on February 27, 2011, 04:37

Quote from: jsnover on February 27, 2011, 02:36
Perhaps it's a silly question, but why not just sell through Alamy directly? Although you have one more agency to upload to, you then get to keep all the royalty Alamy pays (60% is what I get - I think that's standard).

+1

Take care with partnerships. Sometimes if you accept one, you will not be able to contribute directly with the partner agency never. Read all the agreement before accepting it.

That`s only one side. The other is:

Agencies like Zoonar have no or not much rejections, we have a good search rank (especially at Alamy important) because we put in different photos with different licences and styles and we put the photos to 10-20 partners and you just have to work (keywording) once. We also did the work for essential keywords, the work for submitting, translating, and the work for additional informations (at alamy: how many people, kind of photo (cutout, photo, illustration) and so far). So if you don`t have much time or very many photos it CAN be much more efficient to use a distributor like zoonar. With 60% comission we are one of the best paying distributors on the market. We also do the german manual (!) translations for free, so you also will have sales at picturemaxx, DDP, Strandperle and other Zoonar-Partners. One handicap i have to admit is, that we need many time to put in photos into the all partner databases and search engines. But this is normal and not only Zoonars fault, because the partners need many time to release new photos. After 4-7 months photographers they use the whole partner network will have good earnings.

mtkang · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2011, 10:42 »

Personally i had great expectations in zoonar when they offered uploading bonus, i found the uploading is good and hoping that it will generate certain income there..but so far had been quite disappointing and the polylooks partnership is gone..

I also find the portfolio interface is a bit awful, we need to scroll down all the time instead of a thumbnail pages for portfolio, and it takes many times to choose and opt-in every partnership..

Quote from: Michael on February 27, 2011, 10:09

Quote from: fxegs on February 27, 2011, 04:37
Quote from: jsnover on February 27, 2011, 02:36
Perhaps it's a silly question, but why not just sell through Alamy directly? Although you have one more agency to upload to, you then get to keep all the royalty Alamy pays (60% is what I get - I think that's standard).

+1

Take care with partnerships. Sometimes if you accept one, you will not be able to contribute directly with the partner agency never. Read all the agreement before accepting it.

That`s only one side. The other is:

Agencies like Zoonar have no or not much rejections, we have a good search rank (especially at Alamy important) because we put in different photos with different licences and styles and we put the photos to 10-20 partners and you just have to work (keywording) once. We also did the work for essential keywords, the work for submitting, translating, and the work for additional informations (at alamy: how many people, kind of photo (cutout, photo, illustration) and so far). So if you don`t have much time or very many photos it CAN be much more efficient to use a distributor like zoonar. With 60% comission we are one of the best paying distributors on the market. We also do the german manual (!) translations for free, so you also will have sales at picturemaxx, DDP, Strandperle and other Zoonar-Partners. One handicap i have to admit is, that we need many time to put in photos into the all partner databases and search engines. But this is normal and not only Zoonars fault, because the partners need many time to release new photos. After 4-7 months photographers they use the whole partner network will have good earnings.

Michael · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2011, 11:15 »

We can fix the scroll-down process and make it easier, but we cannot change the release process because this must be fit with the german law. But there are automatic buttons down at the "manage pictures" area. Did you see them? You can mark a partner and photos will be automatically release to the quality check and keywording process...

tubed · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2011, 11:15 »

Quote from: Michael on February 27, 2011, 10:09

Quote from: fxegs on February 27, 2011, 04:37
Quote from: jsnover on February 27, 2011, 02:36
Perhaps it's a silly question, but why not just sell through Alamy directly? Although you have one more agency to upload to, you then get to keep all the royalty Alamy pays (60% is what I get - I think that's standard).

+1

Take care with partnerships. Sometimes if you accept one, you will not be able to contribute directly with the partner agency never. Read all the agreement before accepting it.

That`s only one side. The other is:

Agencies like Zoonar have no or not much rejections, we have a good search rank (especially at Alamy important) because we put in different photos with different licences and styles and we put the photos to 10-20 partners and you just have to work (keywording) once. We also did the work for essential keywords, the work for submitting, translating, and the work for additional informations (at alamy: how many people, kind of photo (cutout, photo, illustration) and so far). So if you don`t have much time or very many photos it CAN be much more efficient to use a distributor like zoonar. With 60% comission we are one of the best paying distributors on the market. We also do the german manual (!) translations for free, so you also will have sales at picturemaxx, DDP, Strandperle and other Zoonar-Partners. One handicap i have to admit is, that we need many time to put in photos into the all partner databases and search engines. But this is normal and not only Zoonars fault, because the partners need many time to release new photos. After 4-7 months photographers they use the whole partner network will have good earnings.

Alamy has almost no rejections as long as you upload technically sound images.. Age pick the images they want to represent on sellability.. They are both fairly easy to upload to.. If you already have to keyword your images once then what's so hard about submiting and re-arranging some categories and keyword priorities.. After Alamy takes 40% and Zoonar takes 40% one is left with 20%.. Unless you are just outputting volumes of images and need to have the help or you are too busy with other things, that seems like way too low of earnings for Macro Images.. The only place people put up with that in Macro Are places like Getty and the only reason for that is that they color correct, edit, keyword, and sell high volumes.. And even at that 20% is too low in my opinion.. But if someone sees Zoonars services as beneficial and worth the money, I suppose more power to ya..

Michael · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2011, 12:33 »

That is not correct: We take 40% from the Rest 60%... That means that the Photographers gets 36%

CD123 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2011, 14:56 »

Hi Michael

You mentioned in your email to me "It takes 2-4 months until photos are really online at alamy because we have more than 350.000 photos in the pipeline". At this stage it actually will make more sense to me to rather submit my images directly to them, as I can have them on their website much faster, increasing my chances of earning a revenue on them. I think your partnership idea is further great, in the sense that I do not have the time (as you mentioned) submitting to all the others (so I will continue supporting it). I will however, due to their size and reputation like to submit to Alamy then myself.

Next question however, I can not find any "opt-out" option in your partnership management area, although I do not see that your terms prohibit me from withdrawing my approval. At this stage (without Alamy accepting any of my images yet), their 180 days waiting period should not be applicable. How can I change my approval?

CD123 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2011, 15:09 »

Sorry - Quote pressed in stead of edit

CD123 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2011, 15:12 »

Quote from: Michael on February 27, 2011, 11:15

We can fix the scroll-down process and make it easier, but we cannot change the release process because this must be fit with the german law. But there are automatic buttons down at the "manage pictures" area. Did you see them? You can mark a partner and photos will be automatically release to the quality check and keywording process...

Yip, Zoonar's interface is very user friendly in this regard.

The scroll down process can be a pain, but on the other hand the thumb option sometimes lack information which one would like to see (it all depends on the users need for specific information). Maybe if there was an option between the two styles.

Michael · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2011, 17:14 »

Quote from: CD123 on February 27, 2011, 14:56

Hi Michael

You mentioned in your email to me "It takes 2-4 months until photos are really online at alamy because we have more than 350.000 photos in the pipeline". At this stage it actually will make more sense to me to rather submit my images directly to them, as I can have them on their website much faster, increasing my chances of earning a revenue on them. I think your partnership idea is further great, in the sense that I do not have the time (as you mentioned) submitting to all the others (so I will continue supporting it). I will however, due to their size and reputation like to submit to Alamy then myself.

Next question however, I can not find any "opt-out" option in your partnership management area, although I do not see that your terms prohibit me from withdrawing my approval. At this stage (without Alamy accepting any of my images yet), their 180 days waiting period should not be applicable. How can I change my approval?

First Question: That`s okay, try it out directly at Alamy.
Second: If you once have accepted the terms of trade you cannot revoke this. That´s normal for a law agreement. You can delete every photo at the partner sites (after six months), but the terms of trade are still accepted. And you don`t need to release new photos to allready accepted partners. To accept the terms of trade just means that you are ABLE to release photos. Not that you HAVE TO release some photos. It is your decision which photos do you release to which partners. That`s an important feature at the Zoonar partner management !

CD123 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2011, 17:41 »

Hi Michael

Thank you for the fast response. But what now of the photos which has been selected for Alamy by you, but will take 2 - 4 months to be approved. Can you please withdraw those, as, by the time you have them approved, they will come up as duplicates at Alamy.

Michael Krabs · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2011, 08:46 »

Quote from: CD123 on February 27, 2011, 17:41

Hi Michael

Thank you for the fast response. But what now of the photos which has been selected for Alamy by you, but will take 2 - 4 months to be approved. Can you please withdraw those, as, by the time you have them approved, they will come up as duplicates at Alamy.

no problem, please write a email to: [email protected]

CD123 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:14 »

Thank you very much Michael. This also shows that Zoonar is not one of those websites who will tie you up for life if you accept their partner submissions!

kjorgen · « **Reply #19 on:** September 11, 2011, 04:45 »

Any news on the image transfering to Alamy? I've had pictures waiting since may 2010......

mtkang · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2012, 22:27 »

saw this old thread, I notice in my zoonar, it is either rejected or pending for alamy, but it seems never get accepted.

I wonder how alamy and zoonar deal with duplicates in zoonar if some contributors had submitted same image in alamy?

CD123 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2012, 00:39 »

Quote from: mtkang on April 10, 2012, 22:27

saw this old thread, I notice in my zoonar, it is either rejected or pending for alamy, but it seems never get accepted.

I wonder how alamy and zoonar deal with duplicates in zoonar if some contributors had submitted same image in alamy?

I guess if there is 2 of the same image on Alamy it will depend on which one the buyer pic, as they will have different reference numbers.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:54 »

I was just doing some searches on Alamy yesterday and noticed a lot of duplicated or even triplicated images. This probably explains how that happens.

Ed · « **Reply #23 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:06 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on April 11, 2012, 07:54

I was just doing some searches on Alamy yesterday and noticed a lot of duplicated or even triplicated images. This probably explains how that happens.

I don't know how it works with Zoonar as I don't contribute to them, but I do contribute to other traditional agencies that also supply Alamy. Essentially, it is up to you to let the supplying agency know that you are also a contrbutor to Alamy so that images won't be duplicated.

It doesn't make sense to have two of the same image, from an agency, on Alamy....first, it could potentially harm your rank, and second, if the wrong image is chosen, then you miss out on the difference in commission and a boost in rank when your image is licensed.

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