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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2010, 21:59 »
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So when the student goes to get a haircut, or groceries, or anywhere else, do they give the poor student routine? Of course not.

How did photography get to a point where the average person feels comfortable asking for photos for free? These people need more replies that will shock them into not asking for such ridiculous things again.


« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2010, 22:18 »
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How did photography get to a point where the average person feels comfortable asking for photos for free? These people need more replies that will shock them into not asking for such ridiculous things again.

the hole is already dug too deep .. traditional respect and value will only be given back when the micro business model takes those two factors into consideration .. which will be never because that would defeat the entire existence of micro in the first place. Now it's up to anybody who wants to strive to be a professional photographer to turn a turd into gold .. which can be done if you strain hard enough.  ;D

« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2010, 00:54 »
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if someone use an image with istockphoto watermark, without removal, it is alright?

like in school's presentation.

« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2010, 04:58 »
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hey when I was at uni/college I didn't have any money to buy photos, I had to spend all my money on beer.

« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2010, 05:14 »
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hey when I was at uni/college I didn't have any money to buy photos, I had to spend all my money on beer.
Same with me, it all went on beer :)  If the choice was a few photos or a beer, I would of been straight down the pub.  I don't think many students will spend money on images for presentations but perhaps they could get some money from the uni/college?  Haven't a few sites tried to do a deal with educational establishments?  I seem to remember FP and alamy doing something.

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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2010, 05:18 »
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hey when I was at uni/college I didn't have any money to buy photos, I had to spend all my money on beer.

same for me - but beer wasn't free, why should photos?

« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2010, 05:36 »
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hey when I was at uni/college I didn't have any money to buy photos, I had to spend all my money on beer.

same for me - but beer wasn't free, why should photos?


well... sometimes beer is free  ;)

« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2010, 06:09 »
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The problem is not poverty or  standard of  students ...
The problem is the devaluation of the labor of others. All of these students know they can not produce on  easy way photos like these, but they are unrealistic enough to say "Oh that is just Photoshop,it doing job for you"...

The student at the sneaky way disparages Lisa's work and effort...
"Poor man" does not ask for a free Porsche or marked clothing, because that is true value for him , but "poor man " will ask for a "worthless" photo because it is considered worthless in his world ,"this is just a click camera and PS, isn't it ?!"...
« Last Edit: July 16, 2010, 06:20 by borg »

« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2010, 06:14 »
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hey when I was at uni/college I didn't have any money to buy photos, I had to spend all my money on beer.

same for me - but beer wasn't free, why should photos?

I wasn't saying photos should be free, I was just saying I had different priorities. :)

« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2010, 06:23 »
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if someone use an image with istockphoto watermark, without removal, it is alright?

like in school's presentation.

No.  Using an image with the watermark is not some sort of advertising based implied license.

« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2010, 06:40 »
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In addition to the low perceived value of photography by some, I think it has to do with students themselves.

Let's just talk about my family (and I don't think they are much different than most)...in my nieces and nephews world...their parents have bought them, for use by them personally...computers, wii games, ipods, sports clothing, big screen tvs, xboxes (because apparently the wiis aren't good enough), weekly shopping sprees and cars. For the most part, they haven't had to do any kind of work to get those things. They have no concept of how hard one has to work to get those things because their parents have not taught them so. Dad and mom will continue to pay for school/college and give a weekly allowance or a credit card so they can continue to buy books, lattes, beer and whatever. And there's no way the student will give up a weeks worth of lattes for their education. Somebody else should pay for it. Like Lisa said in the first post, the sense of entitlement. I find it difficult to blame them when that really is all they know. If you want it, ask for it. In this instance "mom and dad" are anybody who has something they want.

I just don't think some kids have a clue about the value of anything in relation to how hard one must work to get those things and in this instance, buying photos.

It can't be perceived value, because those of us who have been around when stock photos would cost $400 or $500 each know that microstock is a blessing and would never dream of asking for free stuff. Photos for $1, $5 or even $10 each are bargains!

« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2010, 06:50 »
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The problem is not poverty or  standard of  students ...
The problem is the devaluation of the labor of others. All of these students know they can not produce on  easy way photos like these, but they are unrealistic enough to say "Oh that is just Photoshop,it doing job for you"...

The student at the sneaky way disparages Lisa's work and effort...
"Poor man" does not ask for a free Porsche or marked clothing, because that is true value for him , but "poor man " will ask for a "worthless" photo because it is considered worthless in his world ,"this is just a click camera and PS, isn't it ?!"...

I beg to differ.

IMO, the lack of appreciation of the value of our images is due to the fact that these days they are being distributed digitally.

Stupid example, how did the people copy music in the 20s? No CDs (duh), no tapes (yet) so what do you do? Carve your own record out of melted down candles?

Now images, audio and movies are so easy to steal that the authorities don't even have a remote chance of catching anybody. That is what makes the kids to not realize the value of that work - how easy it is to get it for free.

In the 80s you had to march into Blockbuster to get your "free" copy of your favorite movie, together with a good chance of getting caught. Today you just hop on your laptop in the bedroom and download the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy in HD within a couple of hours while doing the dishes.

It's not tangible, you can't touch it, therefore there is almost not link to the value of that work. Additionally anyone can take photos these days with the digital camera revolution so it all becomes so "common". Surely, most people don't understand the efforts that you into good stock imagery, so you're also dealing with that "ignorance" as well.

It surely adds to the problem having Microstock in this world. And most people are stupid (in the sense of having no idea about the industry) and see the prices on the stock sites advertising "starting at 20 Cents per image" . How do you explain this to a kid or anyone who doesn't have 5 minutes of time to listen to you?

There are so many factors coming together it's hard to pin point the biggest or main problem there.

« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2010, 06:53 »
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I agree miss cclapper; i also think students are pretty used to get things for free. Want a song, download it...want a movie, download it....want a game, download it..without seeing the bigger picture behind piracy. Many students probably aren't even really aware it's not ok to do a picture search on google and use whatever you get there in a presentation. In my student days i wasnt different, if this girl is who she claims she is i dont think in her navity she was aware of what she was asking for.

Edit: click_click put it much more eloquent :)

lisafx

« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2010, 08:56 »
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It's probably some combination of the two things - sense of entitlement, as Cathy points out, along with ease of delivery, as Click said. 

As a parent of a college student I wonder if I have done any better.  I have certainly tried to tell her the importance of intellectual property rights, and the value of work (like tipping servers well, etc.), but I haven't cut off her credit card until she finds a job...   

Maybe I should write back to the "poor student" and tell her that her purchase will support the educational expenses (and latte buying habits ) of a fellow student ;)

« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2010, 09:02 »
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As a parent of a college student I wonder if I have done any better.  I have certainly tried to tell her the importance of intellectual property rights, and the value of work (like tipping servers well, etc.), but I haven't cut off her credit card until she finds a job...

I think that you have done better because you have taught your daughter the difference between right and wrong. Helping kids out is one thing...giving them everything and not teaching values is another. And some parents don't teach the values. As for finding a job...that's tough for everyone right now.

lisafx

« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2010, 09:08 »
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As for finding a job...that's tough for everyone right now.

^^Yeah, this is one reason I haven't been too much of a hard-a$$ about it.  But I am thinking I should probably at least make her put more effort into looking for one.  Even that can be a good learning experience.  I hope - as long as she doesn't get too discouraged. 

lisafx

« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2010, 09:11 »
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BTW, the student wrote me back and said that she contacted someone else who was happy to let her use their images for free. 

So all is right with the world.  ::)


« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2010, 09:21 »
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BTW, the student wrote me back and said that she contacted someone else who was happy to let her use their images for free. 

So all is right with the world.  ::)

I expected that to happen.... the saddest part is that the student wrote back to you as some kind of revenge, and now she feels like she won the battle.

« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2010, 10:04 »
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BTW, the student wrote me back and said that she contacted someone else who was happy to let her use their images for free. 

So all is right with the world.  ::)

I expected that to happen.... the saddest part is that the student wrote back to you as some kind of revenge, and now she feels like she won the battle.

Yeah, I'm glad you told her no, she wouldn't have appreciated it anyway. She will just continue to use people, apparently there are plenty out there who are ok with it.

lisafx

« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2010, 13:36 »
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Just glad they weren't my pics she used...

BTW, Ivan, LOVE your new picture!  Your son is getting so big!  You both look adorable and so happy :D

« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2010, 13:48 »
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BTW, Ivan, LOVE your new picture!  Your son is getting so big!  You both look adorable and so happy :D

Thanks for pointing it out Lisa. Yes, great photo!

« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2010, 14:17 »
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Thanks ladies :) He grew up suddenly in last few months. You know how it goes....kids grow suddenly, than stop for few months, than grow again and so on.

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« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2010, 14:40 »
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Thanks ladies :) He grew up suddenly in last few months. You know how it goes....kids grow suddenly, than stop for few months, than grow again and so on.

Careful Ivan they grow up way to fast. Before you know it he'll be making you a Grandpa!!

« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2010, 15:11 »
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BTW, the student wrote me back and said that she contacted someone else who was happy to let her use their images for free. 

So all is right with the world.  ::)

Text book case.  :) All you can tell people is that you run your business in the way that you have found works for you and stick to it. You can't match every price out there (especially if that price is free). Hopefully, they'll respect you for it or recognize the difference between your work and others. If not, then I guess you can't please everyone.

« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2010, 15:39 »
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Thanks ladies :) He grew up suddenly in last few months. You know how it goes....kids grow suddenly, than stop for few months, than grow again and so on.

Careful Ivan they grow up way to fast. Before you know it he'll be making you a Grandpa!!

lol


 

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