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SVH

« on: December 31, 2021, 01:20 »
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Hi, I know some of you swear by Wirestock so I would like to know your experience thus far.

I tried them myself a couple of months ago with a small set of around 70 photos.

Pro's:
  • You can submit to multiple agencies at once
  • You don't have to keyword your images
  • Sympathetic welcome bonus of 5 dollar when they accept the first 25
  • You will profit from higher commission percentages where applicable
  • Dashboard shows sales per agency

Con's:
  • It took a very long while for all photo's to be reviewed and processed
  • You don't see the acceptance status on the different agencies (except for Shutterstock)
  • The keywording is pretty bad
  • You are anonymous so you don't get the abillity to sell other photos via your own portfolio
  • You don't see when a sale is made but just that is has been made

All considering, I am not a big fan and I think I will switch back to submitting myself to the agencies. More work but more control and more transparancy.

Like to hear from people what their experience have been.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2021, 01:25 by SVH »


« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2021, 05:27 »
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I will also say, stop being lazy and submit it yourself and have full control over your own assets.

« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2021, 06:11 »
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SVH some of what you write is not true, but for keywords anybody who doesn't do their own is going to get what you write, pretty bad. I don't know why anybody would send images to Wirestock without keywords, that's just a bad plan, and we all know that. If somebody is being lazy, keyword before upload or get bad keywords.

Photos do take a long time to be reviewed. I have accepted status on some for Alamy, Adobe, SS and DT, maybe because I have been there longer and have more then 70 images? No one cares who you are and most they don't go buy from your portfolio. I see when sales are made and they are listed by agency. Just look at last 7 days or last 30 days. Wirestock is a distributor answer not a sales answer. Pictures that don't sell anywhere, won't sell better at Wirestock.

If you want to get your work out to more agencies without doing the work or take time, then use Wirestock, but don't think anything will be different from uploading yourself. Wirestock is only a delivery system for your work, nothing more.

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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2021, 06:33 »
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If you have the time and inclination better to submit yourself, no doubt. More control and you'll know more about the subject to keyword yourself.

I have no more time/patience for microstock so even for reduced 15% earnings that Wirestock earn, it's well worth it. Their keywording has improved but still has some ways to go.

Lastly, since we're part of a large group, they can quickly rise up the Shutterstock tiers which is a big pro.

« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2021, 08:06 »
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I prefer submit and keep ,,everything possible,, under my control. I tested, but I am not big fan for this type agencies.
 

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2021, 08:18 »
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I prefer submit and keep ,,everything possible,, under my control. I tested, but I am not big fan for this type agencies.

My view is, I'm a member at all the throw away sites that I'm not a contributor at. I still do my own on SS, AS, DT and Alamy. I already have the images keyworded. Allowing WS to do the keywords is a terrible, bad idea. They are just generic descriptions.

No one has mentioned that as soon as I reach accumulated earnings of $30, I get paid. For example, my total on Deposit, where I won't ever have an account, is $10.30 and I've been paid. DT is $16.31 and I've been paid and so on. Places where I might never make payout, or at least it could take years, on my own.

WS is nothing more than an easy outlet for my images that are already on the sites I care about. Extra income, nothing more. If someone is running stocksubmitter or one of those, no need for WS.

Last small side note. I submit rejects from SS to WS and sometimes they pass.  :o Who knows if that matters, as being accepted means nothing, only sales make money.

WS is working fine for me, the way I use it. For others the results may be better or worse. Over $200 that I wouldn't have had.


Level6

« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2021, 12:49 »
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I prefer submit and keep ,,everything possible,, under my control. I tested, but I am not big fan for this type agencies.

Good thinking to keep the content under you're control, the problem with the agencies themselves is all the deals they do and share our content with partners all over the world including in countries like China and Russia which have different rules and laws.

Can't trust a stock agency as far as you can throw them.

What would be ideal is even if we have to sell through agencies that there would be a system in which the content stays on our hard drives, on our computers, we stay logged in and when a sale happens and a buyer buys the video or photo it's pulled from our drive not their AWS server.

The agencies will never adopt that model because despite the storage costs they make their millions selling and sharing our content to these global partners around the world.

In the physical world the content doesn't leave the store until it's paid for, here the content leaves and we get laughed at for how little we're getting for it.

« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2021, 15:19 »
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I'd rate the keywording as poor rather than 'very bad' I usually submit a short description for info not evident in picture - eg,  location or specific name of a temple, etc

One big advantage is agencies accept from Wirestock images they reject as non-licensable from me - eg, 17th-18th c maps!

but biggest pro, is 'instant pay' which makes them one of my top performers, & this for images I likely wouldn't have submitted (i still have thousands of images to process, mostly from 4 months of travel in late 2019, early 2020)

« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2022, 03:09 »
+1
They are like a parasite making money from your hard work. I searched an awful lot of different types of images and Wirestock never was one the first 3 pages on SS. I will not use them.

SVH

« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2022, 04:17 »
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Thanks all for your insights! Happy New Year to you all!

So I understand that the only actual advantages would be then that you reach your payout level sooner and where commission tiers are in place you'd get a larger commission.

I don't know why anybody would send images to Wirestock without keywords, that's just a bad plan, and we all know that.
I thought that was the whole point of Wirestock? Upload and forget and they would do all the work for you.

« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2022, 04:24 »
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They are like a parasite making money from your hard work. I searched an awful lot of different types of images and Wirestock never was one the first 3 pages on SS. I will not use them.

I sometimes feel that agencies tweak their search trying to give equal chance to contributors.
Wirestock is no-otter than just a contributor in these agencies, so even if they gain millions of images.. their downloads will be consistent.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2022, 09:36 »
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They are like a parasite making money from your hard work. I searched an awful lot of different types of images and Wirestock never was one the first 3 pages on SS. I will not use them.

Why would anyone expect WS to have a better rank than any individual? It's just an account, nothing featured or special? Does WS promise better placement and I missed that? They are an easy distribution system, for me, nothing more. A shortcut and resource to connect my images to many outlets. In effect I pay the 15% for that.

I sometimes feel that agencies tweak their search trying to give equal chance to contributors.
Wirestock is no-otter than just a contributor in these agencies, so even if they gain millions of images.. their downloads will be consistent.

They do. Alamy tells us so. Other places have image ranks that are easy to recognize, they might have image and artist diversity.

I'd agree, many pros and cons to using Wirestock, I have mixed use and just use them for minor agencies. Not for Adobe or SS. But WS is just another contributor.

I'd rate the keywording as poor rather than 'very bad' I usually submit a short description for info not evident in picture - eg,  location or specific name of a temple, etc

One big advantage is agencies accept from Wirestock images they reject as non-licensable from me - eg, 17th-18th c maps!

but biggest pro, is 'instant pay' which makes them one of my top performers, & this for images I likely wouldn't have submitted (i still have thousands of images to process, mostly from 4 months of travel in late 2019, early 2020)

OK "Poor".  ;) It's generic when people don't include details or their own keywords. When I do have my data already with the images, WS keywording is as good as anyplace else, at the very least.

True I forgot to remember  ??? they do accept some materials that some agencies do not. Maps for one. I also upload rejects from some, and they got accepted when I added them through WS. Not that it's a plan to skirt rules, or anything good, but just mentioning that last part.

True I have received more income from "Instant Pay" than from any individual agency sales, through WS, in 2021.

Lastly, since we're part of a large group, they can quickly rise up the Shutterstock tiers which is a big pro.

And at any other site that has levels. Like Alamy next year at 40% instead of 20%. That covers the 15% fee, if both those two are considered.

Thanks all for your insights! Happy New Year to you all!

So I understand that the only actual advantages would be then that you reach your payout level sooner and where commission tiers are in place you'd get a larger commission.


Sorry that's just two of the advantages, not "the only". I've listed them before, I don't have an account at a number of agencies that WS distributes to. I like that. They do add keywords to the ones I supply and also, sometimes revise the description. Income and level gains and there are more.

I just thought of another possible disadvantage, if I delete an image, how do I know if the partner agency will respond or how they will be notified. But this is Microstock. We don't control our assets, and once someone uploads to the agencies, kiss your work goodbye and wish it well, there's a big mean world out there looking to use and take advantage of our work.

What would be ideal is even if we have to sell through agencies that there would be a system in which the content stays on our hard drives, on our computers, we stay logged in and when a sale happens and a buyer buys the video or photo it's pulled from our drive not their AWS server.


You're kidding right? Imagine the store, drawing products from everyone's home closets, when someone buys something, instead of having a warehouse. Home systems are slow. Home systems are not reliably connected. Systems vary, the software and capabilities. The whole idea of sales pulled from home computers is insane!

I prefer submit and keep ,,everything possible,, under my control. I tested, but I am not big fan for this type agencies.

See above, once you upload, anything to any agency, the control is over. Hidden partners, shared to other sites, we really don't have much control of our own work, after it's on the Internet, unfortunately.

"How is Wirestock doing for you this year?"

It makes some extra money in different ways than what I earn from others on my own. Pretty simple?

Wirestock is not for everyone.

« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2022, 11:14 »
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Well for me Wirestock is the best decision i made when it comes to stock. The competition is today simply to large plus royalties much less then it was 10 years ago. It is now all about efficiency.

Wirestock will bring you quickly on a higher earning level on sites as Shutterstock or Alamy. Next to earnings there is also a huge saving of time. I used to spend to many hours with the submittion process. Now it are just minutes.

They are just for a short time on the market and in short time they envolved very fast. They improve every day. I feel that i am sitting in the right boat.

Finally the end of logging into several agency websites. Now simply one place with the whole process plus statistics and pay outs.

« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2022, 13:03 »
+1

I thought that was the whole point of Wirestock? Upload and forget and they would do all the work for you.

exactly, if i add description & keywords i've done the hardest part of submission, so no need for wirerstock

« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2022, 16:36 »
+1
Well for me Wirestock is the best decision i made when it comes to stock. The competition is today simply to large plus royalties much less then it was 10 years ago. It is now all about efficiency.

Wirestock will bring you quickly on a higher earning level on sites as Shutterstock or Alamy. Next to earnings there is also a huge saving of time. I used to spend to many hours with the submittion process. Now it are just minutes.

They are just for a short time on the market and in short time they envolved very fast. They improve every day. I feel that i am sitting in the right boat.

Finally the end of logging into several agency websites. Now simply one place with the whole process plus statistics and pay outs.

biggest positive today i got $10 payout from the Dreamstime Component.  No need to wait months to get up to $100.


 

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