Author Topic: I'm paying my models too much! (Read 4566 times)

Graffoto · « **on:** December 30, 2010, 00:58 »

http://pdnpulse.com/2010/12/you-thought-conde-nast-was-only-cheap-to-photographers.html

Looks like I could get a top end high fashion model for less than a normal 'day' rate on MM

duaneellison · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2010, 03:04 »

Wow, that's amazing...

ShadySue · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2010, 05:04 »

You've got to admire the honesty of the CEO, bragging about how well they're doing while shafting the very people who lead to its success.
Seems to be the current trend.

Graffoto · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2010, 05:29 »

Quote from: ShadySue on December 30, 2010, 05:04

You've got to admire the honesty of the CEO, bragging about how well they're doing while shafting the very people who lead to its success.
Seems to be the current trend.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. Worrying similarities abound.

danhowl · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2010, 07:47 »

Quote from: nosaya on December 30, 2010, 00:58

http://pdnpulse.com/2010/12/you-thought-conde-nast-was-only-cheap-to-photographers.html

Looks like I could get a top end high fashion model for less than a normal 'day' rate on MM

Apparently you fail to realize that they were only granted editorial release only. There is a big step up for even no-name models for any promotional or advertising releases.

This is NOT news for anyone who works in editorial fashion at any level.

Perry · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2010, 07:55 »

Quote from: danhowl on December 30, 2010, 07:47

There is a big step up for even no-name models for any promotional or advertising releases.

$125 is still a joke.

Graffoto · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2010, 09:47 »

Apparently you fail to realize that they were only granted editorial release only. There is a big step up for even no-name models for any promotional or advertising releases.

This is NOT news for anyone who works in editorial fashion at any level.

You sir, have no sense of humor/irony.
I failed to realize nothing, and am well aware of what the editorial fashion world thinks is 'fair'.
Which is one reason that I shoot and license for stock rather than work for free in a vain attempt to get 'exposure' that may or may (most probably not), result in a paying gig.

What I was really attempting to point out is that attitude of 'you are really worthless, but we will pay you a little bit and make a profit from your efforts" seems to have extended into the stock area as well.

louoates · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2010, 11:45 »

Nowhere in the link did it speak about models being victims of involuntary servitude. So, chains aside, it seems that models are slow learners. Slow pay in microstock doesn't seem like much of an issue in comparison to their experiences. At least most of us contributors have learned that some of our newest sites will NEVER pay us due to minimum payout schemes.

pancaketom · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2010, 13:36 »

It seems like doing the mag work is more of an advertising expense for them while hoping to win the lottery of getting a good gig. Still, you'd think they could pay out their measly rates in a more timely fashion.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2010, 13:56 »

Quote from: louoates on December 30, 2010, 11:45

Nowhere in the link did it speak about models being victims of involuntary servitude. So, chains aside, it seems that models are slow learners. Slow pay in microstock doesn't seem like much of an issue in comparison to their experiences. At least most of us contributors have learned that some of our newest sites will NEVER pay us due to minimum payout schemes.

You mean involuntary servitude = Microstock photographer?

I agree!

Models? What's a model? I have one model released photo and it has never sold. OK I admit to being king of "Crapstock" but models are like singers in the band. They are always a problem.

Someone wrote an somewhat insulting PM about some of my subject matter, which I thought was funny. Wake up, my name should be CrapStock. My shots on micro are 99% BS and lame attempts at, things I find around the office, or what I saw while I was shooting something else. Please anyone who takes me seriously, step away from the computer, count to ten and take some time think about it.

I do have an idea for a studio and I actually have a waitress from a restaurant I'd love to have as my hands and eyes model for the shots. Right now, no space. Although I can shoot just about anything smaller than 5 inches? How about a small model?

I admire anyone who shoots models and maybe some days the models, but they are in just as much of a dog fight as photographers, trying to claw their way up. Promotional work may be the only way to get noticed, for them. Think about is. Anyone can buy a camera and be a "photographer" now, but models still need to have some attraction and something to market with their personal image.

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