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Title: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 20, 2014, 17:30
...I'M MORE A VECTOR ARTIST. I'M REAL SERIOUSLY INTO THIS BUSINESS AND CAN AFFORD TO WORK HARD, REAL HARD INTO IT TO HAVE A COOL AND QUALITY PORTFOLIO(MAY BE 2500 IMAGES BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR). YOU EXPERIENCED MICROSTOCKERS HERE, ADVICE ME PLEASE. AFTER HOW MANY MONTHS(BASED ON GENERAL CASES YOU KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME FOR ALL) WHAT IT TAKES(MONTH, PORTFOLIO SIZE, ETC....) TO ATTAIN $11000? I REALLY NEED ADVICES NOW. I WANNA DO IT, BUT NEED MORE MOTIVATIONS....AND ADVICE ME ALSO ON THE BEST OF AGENCIES...THANKS A LOT TO EVERYONE WHO CONSIDER THIS AND REPLY ME..
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Maximilian on December 20, 2014, 17:33
Monthly or only once?
This is not a problem. I would say 1 month and 1,000 images.  ::)
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: stockmarketer on December 20, 2014, 19:02
Monthly or only once?
This is not a problem. I would say 1 month and 1,000 images.  ::)


Um... No.   Maybe if you set your time machine to 2008 and upload them back then.  Fact is there's a bias toward older files or at least best sellers at most agencies. 

The real answer is you could probably earn $1-2K a month with 1000 vectors assuming they are topics and styles in high demand.  Since you're just starting it may take a little while to develop a sixth sense for what will sell.   
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: fritz on December 20, 2014, 19:24
So, can we see your cool and quality port and than we can discuss how many years will take to earn 11k? No kidding!
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Difydave on December 21, 2014, 07:19
Your caps lock seems to be on.
Nobody can tell you how much you will make without seeing your portfolio. Even then it would be an "educated guess" at best, as nobody really knows exactly what will sell.
If you have the portfolio and you need the money then just start uploading, you'll soon find out for yourself. Look at the poll results on the right of the page here, and have a look at the individual site's forums here to see what is good and bad about them.
 
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on December 21, 2014, 09:44
Your caps lock seems to be on.
Nobody can tell you how much you will make without seeing your portfolio. Even then it would be an "educated guess" at best, as nobody really knows exactly what will sell.
If you have the portfolio and you need the money then just start uploading, you'll soon find out for yourself. Look at the poll results on the right of the page here, and have a look at the individual site's forums here to see what is good and bad about them.

This sums it up perfectly - nobody can tell you.  Upload a few hundred images to see how well they sell and then do the math to extrapolate out to your target amount.  Even that won't be accurate because images don't sell at the same rate over time.  If you're thinking that ms is an easy way to make $11 K then I think you're going to be disappointed - that boat sailed a long time ago - although if you have 2500 images online it should not be a problem.  Good luck.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: ShadySue on December 21, 2014, 10:05
If you're thinking that ms is an easy way to make $11 K then I think you're going to be disappointed - that boat sailed a long time ago - although if you have 2500 images online it should not be a problem.
It depends on the 2500 images and how they land in the best match / equivalent sort of the agencies.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 21, 2014, 11:01
did you mean what i understood: you can make a good sum with 2500 images online???
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 21, 2014, 11:04
So, can we see your cool and quality port and than we can discuss how many years will take to earn 11k? No kidding!


as i said my im a newbie so my port is small..
http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=1787417 (http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=1787417)
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: cobalt on December 21, 2014, 11:11
If you have top level quality you will get excellent returns. But is what you are producing top level?

You are competing internationally against artist with 10 year experience who keep uploading superb work every day.

are you ready to work very,very hard for your success? It's a business, you get out of it what you put in.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Red Dove on December 21, 2014, 11:14
Personally, I've got nothing for you or for anyone else coming into this business (or any other business in fact) with no clue whatsoever and hoping someone will provide them with a short cut to success. The competition is too fierce these days to mitigate such generosity. Harsh but there it is.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on December 21, 2014, 11:15
So, can we see your cool and quality port and than we can discuss how many years will take to earn 11k? No kidding!


as i said my im a newbie so my port is small..
[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=1787417[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=1787417[/url])


You're going to have to do work a lot better and more complex than that to have any level of success.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 21, 2014, 11:26
So, can we see your cool and quality port and than we can discuss how many years will take to earn 11k? No kidding!


as i said my im a newbie so my port is small..
[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=1787417[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=1787417[/url])


You're going to have to do work a lot better and more complex than that to have any level of success.


obviously im aware of what awaits me as a newbie...but i really in giving everythng i can into it...but my biggest fear is giving my life to it and gain nothing in return or gain nothing sort of what im putting into it.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 21, 2014, 11:27
If you have top level quality you will get excellent returns. But is what you are producing top level?

You are competing internationally against artist with 10 year experience who keep uploading superb work every day.

are you ready to work very,very hard for your success? It's a business, you get out of it what you put in.

so true what you said...sometimes when i look at others works, its just dissapointing and depressing....lol
but my motto is if they could do it, i can do it as long as im gaining...
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 21, 2014, 11:30
another issue i would like to know: do 'everything' of good quality sells?? or is there only a particular demands on the market??? i mean some sort of specific topics??? i know lastly infographics, backgrounds were doing well....is there best demands in these topics or is it me who is seeing through blinkers???
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: cobalt on December 21, 2014, 11:39
Well, creating stock media files is something that takes years to learn. there is a reason why in some countries commercial stock photography is a six year university degree. Obviously you can also do it by yourself, but from what I see it takes many,many years.

The first thing to learn is to become an excellent illustrator artist and the best way to do that is to work for real live clients or be employed by a design firm. When you see in your day job how graphic art is used,what is it that people will pay money for etc...plus your boss will make sure your quality is good or you simply won´t get paid.

And then you can build your stock portfolio on the side.

Obviously,unless you try you won´t know if it is the right thing for you.

In my experience though,many people are attracted to stock because they want to get out of their day job and think it will be an easier life. But the reality is that for most people it will be hard to achieve a decent living wage,because it is such a complex industry and changes very,very quickly.

You need to be a great artist, you need to find a niche you can either dominate or become one of the top 100 to really make it work,you have to constantly invest in equipment,software and be ready to learn new techiques,you have to watch overall trends - color schemes,fashion,trends in how society is changing, follow a lot of advertising trends and somehow still be able to create your own style of work that people will recognize.

You need your heart,your gut and a very business devoted mindset to actually make money. And be very, very honest with yourself.

It is the right thing for me, but I usually don´t recommend it. Everytime I mentor someone I realize how many things I have learned over the years that I just take for granted, but then you see how long it takes people to actually learn it.

It´s like dancing, some people can do a few basic steps, others dance with Alvin Ailey and others just do silly clips for youtube and become millionaires...

ETA: I doubt anyone will recommend a well selling niche to you. It took them years to identify it, you´ll have to find your own path...
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: ShadySue on December 21, 2014, 11:40
another issue i would like to know: do 'everything' of good quality sells?? or is there only a particular demands on the market??? i mean some sort of specific topics??? i know lastly infographics, backgrounds were doing well....is there best demands in these topics or is it me who is seeing through blinkers???
I'm not sure that your strategy of asking your direct competitors for this sort of information is sound. (I'm not one of them: I don't do vectors and don't know the answers). Why would they help you to erode their earnings?
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 21, 2014, 11:49
another issue i would like to know: do 'everything' of good quality sells?? or is there only a particular demands on the market??? i mean some sort of specific topics??? i know lastly infographics, backgrounds were doing well....is there best demands in these topics or is it me who is seeing through blinkers???
I'm not sure that your strategy of asking your direct competitors for this sort of information is sound. (I'm not one of them: I don't do vectors and don't know the answers). Why would they help you to erode their earnings?
sounds true though
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 21, 2014, 11:51
Well, creating stock media files is something that takes years to learn. there is a reason why in some countries commercial stock photography is a six year university degree. Obviously you can also do it by yourself, but from what I see it takes many,many years.

The first thing to learn is to become an excellent illustrator artist and the best way to do that is to work for real live clients or be employed by a design firm. When you see in your day job how graphic art is used,what is it that people will pay money for etc...plus your boss will make sure your quality is good or you simply won´t get paid.

And then you can build your stock portfolio on the side.

Obviously,unless you try you won´t know if it is the right thing for you.

In my experience though,many people are attracted to stock because they want to get out of their day job and think it will be an easier life. But the reality is that for most people it will be hard to achieve a decent living wage,because it is such a complex industry and changes very,very quickly.

You need to be a great artist, you need to find a niche you can either dominate or become one of the top 100 to really make it work,you have to constantly invest in equipment,software and be ready to learn new techiques,you have to watch overall trends - color schemes,fashion,trends in how society is changing, follow a lot of advertising trends and somehow still be able to create your own style of work that people will recognize.

You need your heart,your gut and a very business devoted mindset to actually make money. And be very, very honest with yourself.

It is the right thing for me, but I usually don´t recommend it. Everytime I mentor someone I realize how many things I have learned over the years that I just take for granted, but then you see how long it takes people to actually learn it.

It´s like dancing, some people can do a few basic steps, others dance with Alvin Ailey and others just do silly clips for youtube and become millionaires...

ETA: I doubt anyone will recommend a well selling niche to you. It took them years to identify it, you´ll have to find your own path...

im yet to find my niche..still exploring....do you peeps have an specific way for your inspiration???
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: sketchyt on December 21, 2014, 12:19
If you even have to ask these questions, you're in the wrong business. There are much easier ways to make a living!

You have to do the work and You have to figure it out for yourself! Your art will be more meaningful when you do.

Now get to work!
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 21, 2014, 12:29
If you even have to ask these questions, you're in the wrong business. There are much easier ways to make a living!

You have to do the work and You have to figure it out for yourself! Your art will be more meaningful when you do.

Now get to work!

WRONG BUSINESS YOU MEAN FOR WHAT?? MICROSTOCK???
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: EmberMike on December 21, 2014, 12:39
obviously im aware of what awaits me as a newbie...but i really in giving everythng i can into it...but my biggest fear is giving my life to it and gain nothing in return or gain nothing sort of what im putting into it.

If the only marker for success for you is to make a lot of money in microstock, then don't waste your time here. You're going about it all wrong and will ultimately be disappointed. I'd almost guarantee that. I don't know of any person ever in the short history of microstock who came into this with the single goal of being financially successful at microstock specifically and achieved exactly that.

If, on the other hand, you aspire to be a good vector artist and/or designer, and microstock is going to be one of the avenues you go down to make some money from your work, then you've got a shot. The people who do really well at this are people who learn the craft, practice, study, try to get better at what they do without a specific goal of making money in a particular niche of the vector/design business.

Successful microstock people are good artists first and foremost. The rest comes naturally if you're good enough at what you do.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Tryingmybest on December 21, 2014, 12:43
...I'M MORE A VECTOR ARTIST. I'M REAL SERIOUSLY INTO THIS BUSINESS AND CAN AFFORD TO WORK HARD, REAL HARD INTO IT TO HAVE A COOL AND QUALITY PORTFOLIO(MAY BE 2500 IMAGES BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR). YOU EXPERIENCED MICROSTOCKERS HERE, ADVICE ME PLEASE. AFTER HOW MANY MONTHS(BASED ON GENERAL CASES YOU KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME FOR ALL) WHAT IT TAKES(MONTH, PORTFOLIO SIZE, ETC....) TO ATTAIN $11000? I REALLY NEED ADVICES NOW. I WANNA DO IT, BUT NEED MORE MOTIVATIONS....AND ADVICE ME ALSO ON THE BEST OF AGENCIES...THANKS A LOT TO EVERYONE WHO CONSIDER THIS AND REPLY ME..

You need a portfolio of at least 10,000 across multiple sites (see the Microstock group forum list to research the top earning sites) to make an easy $1,000 per month (submit 50-100 illustrations weekly). You need to find a niche and a unique style as well. It's a brutal industry that rewards creativity and ingenuity. As others have written, don't make money the sole motivating force. Expect to put in 5-7 years to reap the rewards you desire. Peace.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Difydave on December 21, 2014, 12:48
First off "STOP ******* SHOUTING" people can read your posts fine without the caps lock!
I'd agree with what  sketchyt says above, you are asking questions which show that you don't have the experience to make the money you are talking about in a short time.
If you actually read the posts above you will get the advice you need. There's no short cut to money in any of this, not in vector illustration, photography, 3D renders, or raster illustration. They all need a special set of skills, knowledge of art, technique, equipment, software, and what is actually commercial in the sense of what sells. No one can really give you all this knowledge. It's up to you to work at it, do what you enjoy doing and find out for yourself what sells for you. Always remember that the people who give answers here are your competition, and are giving up their time to help by replying.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: DallasP on December 21, 2014, 20:26
...I'M MORE A VECTOR ARTIST. I'M REAL SERIOUSLY INTO THIS BUSINESS AND CAN AFFORD TO WORK HARD, REAL HARD INTO IT TO HAVE A COOL AND QUALITY PORTFOLIO(MAY BE 2500 IMAGES BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR). YOU EXPERIENCED MICROSTOCKERS HERE, ADVICE ME PLEASE. AFTER HOW MANY MONTHS(BASED ON GENERAL CASES YOU KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME FOR ALL) WHAT IT TAKES(MONTH, PORTFOLIO SIZE, ETC....) TO ATTAIN $11000? I REALLY NEED ADVICES NOW. I WANNA DO IT, BUT NEED MORE MOTIVATIONS....AND ADVICE ME ALSO ON THE BEST OF AGENCIES...THANKS A LOT TO EVERYONE WHO CONSIDER THIS AND REPLY ME..

Probably infinitely easier to go apply at McDonald's and work for a year.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: sketchyt on December 21, 2014, 21:26
If you even have to ask these questions, you're in the wrong business. There are much easier ways to make a living!

You have to do the work and You have to figure it out for yourself! Your art will be more meaningful when you do.

Now get to work!


WRONG BUSINESS YOU MEAN FOR WHAT?? MICROSTOCK???

Yes, Microstock is a business. If you want to make the money you're talking about, you better start thinking of it as one.........
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: jatrax on December 21, 2014, 22:34
I am confused about the $11,000 do you mean total or annually or what?

As others have said it is impossible to say as everyone's circumstance
 are different.  Even excellent work might not do as good as older ones beause of search placement.

A rule of thumb I was given when I started was $1 per image per year.  You should do better if the work is good but for projections and budgeting that is what I use.

If you need $11,000 quickly I would suggest another line of work.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: PixelBytes on December 21, 2014, 23:59
.  If you're thinking that ms is an easy way to make $11 K then I think you're going to be disappointed - that boat sailed a long time ago -

Yes, it was called The Mayflower.  ;D
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: PixelBytes on December 22, 2014, 00:09
This is the kind of questions we get thanks to all the articles, books, blogs making microstock sound like a get rich quick scheme.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: john_woodcock on December 22, 2014, 02:51
...I'M MORE A VECTOR ARTIST. I'M REAL SERIOUSLY INTO THIS BUSINESS AND CAN AFFORD TO WORK HARD, REAL HARD INTO IT TO HAVE A COOL AND QUALITY PORTFOLIO(MAY BE 2500 IMAGES BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR). YOU EXPERIENCED MICROSTOCKERS HERE, ADVICE ME PLEASE. AFTER HOW MANY MONTHS(BASED ON GENERAL CASES YOU KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME FOR ALL) WHAT IT TAKES(MONTH, PORTFOLIO SIZE, ETC....) TO ATTAIN $11000? I REALLY NEED ADVICES NOW. I WANNA DO IT, BUT NEED MORE MOTIVATIONS....AND ADVICE ME ALSO ON THE BEST OF AGENCIES...THANKS A LOT TO EVERYONE WHO CONSIDER THIS AND REPLY ME..

You need a portfolio of at least 10,000 across multiple sites (see the Microstock group forum list to research the top earning sites) to make an easy $1,000 per month (submit 50-100 illustrations weekly). You need to find a niche and a unique style as well. It's a brutal industry that rewards creativity and ingenuity. As others have written, don't make money the sole motivating force. Expect to put in 5-7 years to reap the rewards you desire. Peace.

I think this is far too prescriptive, a portfolio of 10,000 images is absolutely huge for a vector contributor, and to suggest someone can submit 100 vectors a week on a regular basis is not a realistic proposition, and to also suggest all that work would only bring in $1000 a month is also not necessarily true. I think to be a successful vector contributor you do need to be a reasonably proficient illustrator already though, and that may be something you need to concentrate on first.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: mojaric on December 22, 2014, 07:14
Microstock is not the place for fast money...
If you are doing this just because you really need fast 11k $ i suggest you drug dealing or some illegal business

Legal money will never be easy
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: jatrax on December 22, 2014, 09:15
This is the kind of questions we get thanks to all the articles, books, blogs making microstock sound like a get rich quick scheme.
You can tell when the party is over when there is more money in showing how to do something than in doing it.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Mantis on December 22, 2014, 09:47
This is the kind of questions we get thanks to all the articles, books, blogs making microstock sound like a get rich quick scheme.

Exactly. There was a time, however, where one could make good money in micro stock.  I guess the word that micro stock has hit the top of the S curve hasn't quite been "revealed" yet. :-\
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: etudiante_rapide on December 22, 2014, 12:15
This is the kind of questions we get thanks to all the articles, books, blogs making microstock sound like a get rich quick scheme.

yes, way before those "... for dummies", i bought the book which launch me on my maiden voyage as a photographer *how to make a million dollars doing photography*  or something like that.
i think he sold a lot of books to goofballs like me, lol.. and he did make a million, but not from photography. 

  write "how to" books , like all those how to play blues/metal/speed.. licks, etc make more money than the guitarists themselves.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 22, 2014, 16:37
I am confused about the $11,000 do you mean total or annually or what?

As others have said it is impossible to say as everyone's circumstance
 are different.  Even excellent work might not do as good as older ones beause of search placement.

A rule of thumb I was given when I started was $1 per image per year.  You should do better if the work is good but for projections and budgeting that is what I use.

If you need $11,000 quickly I would suggest another line of work.

note that when i say i need $11000, it does not imply to be monthly or annually-this is just ridiculous and i know it...but what i meant was with good quality vectors online and a large portfolio, within how many years would i be able to make that money...in short, i want to know if there is a constancy in the income of microstockers or it all depends on luck!!
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Shelma1 on December 22, 2014, 16:45
If you have a few thousand good vectors you should be able to make that kind of money. Vectors tend to bring in a higher amount per image than photos, I believe. But you need to *not* try to copy the best-selling vector images, because they sell well for a reason and already have a good search position. It will be very difficult to knock high-selling images off the front page unless your work is amazing.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Semmick Photo on December 22, 2014, 18:58
I am confused about the $11,000 do you mean total or annually or what?

As others have said it is impossible to say as everyone's circumstance
 are different.  Even excellent work might not do as good as older ones beause of search placement.

A rule of thumb I was given when I started was $1 per image per year.  You should do better if the work is good but for projections and budgeting that is what I use.

If you need $11,000 quickly I would suggest another line of work.

note that when i say i need $11000, it does not imply to be monthly or annually-this is just ridiculous and i know it...but what i meant was with good quality vectors online and a large portfolio, within how many years would i be able to make that money...in short, i want to know if there is a constancy in the income of microstockers or it all depends on luck!!

It took me 2 years with photos on several agencies.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 22, 2014, 19:03
If you have a few thousand good vectors you should be able to make that kind of money. Vectors tend to bring in a higher amount per image than photos, I believe. But you need to *not* try to copy the best-selling vector images, because they sell well for a reason and already have a good search position. It will be very difficult to knock high-selling images off the front page unless your work is amazing.

thats well said..copying best sellers is a bad thing i used to do with nothing in return...but from where do you guys get your inspirations???
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 22, 2014, 19:04
I am confused about the $11,000 do you mean total or annually or what?

As others have said it is impossible to say as everyone's circumstance
 are different.  Even excellent work might not do as good as older ones beause of search placement.

A rule of thumb I was given when I started was $1 per image per year.  You should do better if the work is good but for projections and budgeting that is what I use.

If you need $11,000 quickly I would suggest another line of work.

note that when i say i need $11000, it does not imply to be monthly or annually-this is just ridiculous and i know it...but what i meant was with good quality vectors online and a large portfolio, within how many years would i be able to make that money...in short, i want to know if there is a constancy in the income of microstockers or it all depends on luck!!

It took me 2 years with photos on several agencies.

two years with vectors??
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: cobalt on December 22, 2014, 19:28
but from where do you guys get your inspirations???

It flows right out of you. Your heart,your soul, it just needs to get out into the world. The creative drive is the basis of all art,wether it is commercial art or art for the heart.

Of course you need to learn your craft well, to be able to express yourself,of course you pay attention to what people buy to adjust your work to please the client, but I think unless you really get into the flow it will be very difficult to create anything - music,writing,painting,dance...you need to be able to tap inside yourself first before looking for inspiration from outside.

At least that is the way it works for me. Beyond all the analytics,the data,the visual trends, if I didn´t love getting creative,loved to try new things and learn from mistakes all by myself I could never do this job.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: pkphotos on December 22, 2014, 19:41
I am confused about the $11,000 do you mean total or annually or what?

As others have said it is impossible to say as everyone's circumstance
 are different.  Even excellent work might not do as good as older ones beause of search placement.

A rule of thumb I was given when I started was $1 per image per year.  You should do better if the work is good but for projections and budgeting that is what I use.

If you need $11,000 quickly I would suggest another line of work.

note that when i say i need $11000, it does not imply to be monthly or annually-this is just ridiculous and i know it...but what i meant was with good quality vectors online and a large portfolio, within how many years would i be able to make that money...in short, i want to know if there is a constancy in the income of microstockers or it all depends on luck!!

LUCK? I'm surprised you've had so many people take time to answer your questions to be honest. Do what everyone else does and work hard and find out for yourself whether it's going to work for you by trial and error. This game is a labour of love that only gives the very top contributors a decent living. Most people make a meagre living and usually make additional money elsewhere.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: jatrax on December 22, 2014, 21:19
I am confused about the $11,000 do you mean total or annually or what?

As others have said it is impossible to say as everyone's circumstance
 are different.  Even excellent work might not do as good as older ones beause of search placement.

A rule of thumb I was given when I started was $1 per image per year.  You should do better if the work is good but for projections and budgeting that is what I use.

If you need $11,000 quickly I would suggest another line of work.

note that when i say i need $11000, it does not imply to be monthly or annually-this is just ridiculous and i know it...but what i meant was with good quality vectors online and a large portfolio, within how many years would i be able to make that money...in short, i want to know if there is a constancy in the income of microstockers or it all depends on luck!!
$11,000 annually is not ridiculous, rather quite doable.  However, whether the time invested would have produced more income directed towards other pursuits is another question.  This is not an easy business and working a minimum wage job would likely produce more income per hour invested.  But that would not be nearly as much fun.:-)
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: PixelBytes on December 22, 2014, 22:37
If you have a few thousand good vectors you should be able to make that kind of money. Vectors tend to bring in a higher amount per image than photos, I believe. But you need to *not* try to copy the best-selling vector images, because they sell well for a reason and already have a good search position. It will be very difficult to knock high-selling images off the front page unless your work is amazing.

thats well said..copying best sellers is a bad thing i used to do with nothing in return...but from where do you guys get your inspirations???

If you really can't come up with your own ideas, you don't belong in a job that needs creativity to succeed.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: PixelBytes on December 22, 2014, 22:41
but from where do you guys get your inspirations???

It flows right out of you. Your heart,your soul, it just needs to get out into the world. The creative drive is the basis of all art,wether it is commercial art or art for the heart.

Of course you need to learn your craft well, to be able to express yourself,of course you pay attention to what people buy to adjust your work to please the client, but I think unless you really get into the flow it will be very difficult to create anything - music,writing,painting,dance...you need to be able to tap inside yourself first before looking for inspiration from outside.

At least that is the way it works for me. Beyond all the analytics,the data,the visual trends, if I didn´t love getting creative,loved to try new things and learn from mistakes all by myself I could never do this job.

Yes, yes, and YES!  Creativity and passion that makes success comes from the inside.  You won't get from a forum.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on December 23, 2014, 09:23
i want to know if there is a constancy in the income of microstockers or it all depends on luck!!

There is no constancy - best sellers today could stop selling tomorrow and agencies often make changes that are not in our favor.  However, you can have some consistency if you have a large portfolio of high-quality images (or so I gather from those who do).  Like success in almost anything, luck plays almost no part - it is all about hard work, dedication, paying attention to what is needed and creativity.  As others have said, if your goal is to raise $11 K you will be better off to get a real job - that may be boring but is much more certain.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: 4seasons on December 23, 2014, 11:40
...I'M MORE A VECTOR ARTIST. I'M REAL SERIOUSLY INTO THIS BUSINESS AND CAN AFFORD TO WORK HARD, REAL HARD INTO IT TO HAVE A COOL AND QUALITY PORTFOLIO(MAY BE 2500 IMAGES BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR). YOU EXPERIENCED MICROSTOCKERS HERE, ADVICE ME PLEASE. AFTER HOW MANY MONTHS(BASED ON GENERAL CASES YOU KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME FOR ALL) WHAT IT TAKES(MONTH, PORTFOLIO SIZE, ETC....) TO ATTAIN $11000? I REALLY NEED ADVICES NOW. I WANNA DO IT, BUT NEED MORE MOTIVATIONS....AND ADVICE ME ALSO ON THE BEST OF AGENCIES...THANKS A LOT TO EVERYONE WHO CONSIDER THIS AND REPLY ME..

I never read texts written in CAPS. Learn to respect the reader first, then ask an advice.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: marthamarks on December 23, 2014, 15:18
I am confused about the $11,000 do you mean total or annually or what?

As others have said it is impossible to say as everyone's circumstance
 are different.  Even excellent work might not do as good as older ones beause of search placement.

A rule of thumb I was given when I started was $1 per image per year.  You should do better if the work is good but for projections and budgeting that is what I use.

If you need $11,000 quickly I would suggest another line of work.

note that when i say i need $11000, it does not imply to be monthly or annually-this is just ridiculous and i know it...but what i meant was with good quality vectors online and a large portfolio, within how many years would i be able to make that money...in short, i want to know if there is a constancy in the income of microstockers or it all depends on luck!!

It took me 2 years with photos on several agencies.

two years with vectors??

Read the answer! He clearly said "photos."
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: No Free Lunch on December 23, 2014, 15:24
To reach $11,000 per year in one year you better plan on working 18 hour days - 7 days a week for a full year! Also eating a full meal and taking a long hot shower will be a luxury that you will not have time for...
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Semmick Photo on December 23, 2014, 16:07
To reach $11,000 per year in one year you better plan on working 18 hour days - 7 days a week for a full year! Also eating a full meal and taking a long hot shower will be a luxury that you will not have time for...

I do $10K per year now, next to my day job. I do not add many photos these days. My 2K images do the work for me at the moment. I am making that money now without putting in many hours. It was hard work to get here though. Imagine what 2K vectors can do.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 23, 2014, 19:54
To reach $11,000 per year in one year you better plan on working 18 hour days - 7 days a week for a full year! Also eating a full meal and taking a long hot shower will be a luxury that you will not have time for...

I do $10K per year now, next to my day job. I do not add many photos these days. My 2K images do the work for me at the moment. I am making that money now without putting in many hours. It was hard work to get here though. Imagine what 2K vectors can do.

to be sincere, you are the only one among all those replies giving such a positive feedback...this kind of response does motivate dude....finally what i can conclude is the result is not the same for everyone....its so unpredictable..
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: cascoly on December 23, 2014, 19:59
of course you could have gotten the same result if you had bothered to READ the dozens of threads here BEFORE posting your question...
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: No Free Lunch on December 23, 2014, 20:46
To reach $11,000 per year in one year you better plan on working 18 hour days - 7 days a week for a full year! Also eating a full meal and taking a long hot shower will be a luxury that you will not have time for...

I do $10K per year now, next to my day job. I do not add many photos these days. My 2K images do the work for me at the moment. I am making that money now without putting in many hours. It was hard work to get here though. Imagine what 2K vectors can do.

to be sincere, you are the only one among all those replies giving such a positive feedback...this kind of response does motivate dude....finally what i can conclude is the result is not the same for everyone....its so unpredictable..

Yes, a positive response but what the majority of us are trying to tell you is that this is hard work and not to give you a 'pipe dream'. Reality that's all dude... :)

Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Semmick Photo on December 24, 2014, 04:26
It took me over 2.5 years to get this point, I worked 8 hours next to my dayjob and weekends. But it is something I love, so it wasnt that bad. So yes, its hard work, all I wanted to say is that at some point the images will start to pay back. And I did have time to poop and eat during the first 2.5 years  ;)
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: dpimborough on December 24, 2014, 05:48
If you even have to ask these questions, you're in the wrong business. There are much easier ways to make a living!

You have to do the work and You have to figure it out for yourself! Your art will be more meaningful when you do.

Now get to work!

WRONG BUSINESS YOU MEAN FOR WHAT?? MICROSTOCK???

STOP SHOUTING!!

And if you want $11,000 then you should go get a job that pays a regular salary

Most burger joints will hire just for asking.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Tryingmybest on December 25, 2014, 11:24
Something was really bugging me about this thread. However, it wasn't the original question by salaahkhayr. A week later, I finally got it and decided to post what is bugging me:

Yeah, Salaahkhayr broke some protocols with ALL CAPS and seems a little desperate for money (understandable in today's economy), but some of you all are really cruel. I highly doubt you would project such an attitude to him/her in person, as the internet provides anonymity and a shield of protection from retaliation. The one major reason why adults and children don't seek advice or pursue their goals is because they were humiliated sometime during their life for asking for advice. Salaahkhayr's question posed a great trial for many of us: Do we want to be a voice of calm encouragement or a voice of nasty discouragement?

As an art student—and later, a teacher of children and adults—I learned the importance of accentuating the positive and leaving out the negative when it came to advice and critique. Human beings can be very sensitive and people with hidden treasures of talent can be easily crushed when starting out by careless and crude handling.

Be kind to others and they will retaliate in kindness. Be cruel and they will retaliate in cruelty. It may not be toward you, but it will be directed somewhere. We've got enough strife and fighting in the world today. Let's not add to the madness.

Peace :)
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: cascoly on December 25, 2014, 14:00
Something was really bugging me about this thread. However, it wasn't the original question by salaahkhayr. A week later, I finally got it and decided to post what is bugging me:

Yeah, Salaahkhayr broke some protocols with ALL CAPS and seems a little desperate for money (understandable in today's economy), but some of you all are really cruel.

......

Be kind to others and they will retaliate in kindness. Be cruel and they will retaliate in cruelty. It may not be toward you, but it will be directed somewhere. We've got enough strife and fighting in the world today. Let's not add to the madness.

Peace :)

no one here was cruel - some were more straightforward than others, but the bigger reason for so many negative responses was OP's complete lack of online courtesy - all caps is one measure,  but on any forum it's extremely bad form to blunder in and start asking questions that could have been found with a few minutes looking over the site.

people here are overwhelmingly helpful -- especially considering they're often helping the competition
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: kaboom on December 25, 2014, 14:09
This particular guy asked the same or similar question repeatedly on SS forum in the past and he already got all possible answers. Its easy to remember because he often writes in caps. I dont understand why he keeps asking the same question instead of working on his portfolio - that would be the best answer he can ever get, wouldnt it?
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: No Free Lunch on December 25, 2014, 14:30
Back a few years ago when I started in this business I popped a similar question along with a sample of my portfolio and I got some very harsh questions and replies such as:

1. Why do you feel you will be any good in the business
2.  You might want to work for Walmart or McDonalds
3. Sell the camera you suck
4. No future for rookies/newbies

Sure, I was upset but the folks here told me the truth about the type of business I was getting into. Lot's of learning, long hours and getting a mentor (okay, a few mentors) to be able to produce 'Sell-able' images.  It was a steep learning curve for me with lot's of frustration and I lost count on how many times I just wanted to quit and sell the camera! Now, after three plus years I am making more money that I thought possible - why? Because I got honest (harsh) answers from you folks.

Thanks and Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!

 
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: panicAttack on December 25, 2014, 15:32
it is possible to earn 11k in a year or two (with vectors) but only if you know what you are doing.

my friend (and my ex-referral) earned more then that in less then 2 years with less than 300 vectors (all very high commercial vector sets) and he doesn't even work every day, but he really know what he is doing (i will not publish his gallery link) and it is something very hard to achieve.

what I want to say that there is hope, but you need to know very good what is selling (newest web trends), work hard, have great creativity and inspiration, build up your portfolio and have a little luck.

for photographers situation is a little different (harder) to earn that much, harder then before 3-4 years, but we can build faster our portfolio and when you discover what is selling best and keep doing similar photos it is possible to earn 10k annually with less then 2k photos. Possible but not easy at all.

one thing is important (this is mostly for starting photographers), you have to look at stock as your "normal" day job, work at least 8 hours a day, 6 days in a week and get approved more then 100-200 high quality images monthly so starting micro stock photography can be much easier, but if you are starting with no portfolio and look at stock only as your hobby, it will be very hard, almost impossible to make living with that. it can be hobby that earn you more then 1k monthly but only if you already have nice portfolio.

sorry for my english and happy holidays! :)

Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaaaah on December 25, 2014, 17:11
You are right 'striving'.
But i paid no attention to the harshness of some people because i know if one guy is harsh, then there are 10 out there who are willing to share their experience and effectively this was the outcome of this thread. Plus i start such thread because this kind of 'repeated' questions do motivate me along the way. And its alright about the harshness cause in every spheres there must be some who always ponder upon the little bad thing( if capslock is such a headache) whereby they bypass the great outcome of looking and participating into the real Big Issue itself. and to all those loving people who helped and share their knowledge, you rock guys!!!


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Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Tryingmybest on December 25, 2014, 21:55
Good luck to you. Keep working hard and don't be satisfied with mediocrity—or negative attitudes. When you're feeling fulfilled with what you do—or from those who try to humiliate you.  8)

You are right 'striving'.
But i paid no attention to the harshness of some people because i know if one guy is harsh, then there are 10 out there who are willing to share their experience and effectively this was the outcome of this thread. Plus i start such thread because this kind of 'repeated' questions do motivate me along the way. And its alright about the harshness cause in every spheres there must be some who always ponder upon the little bad thing( if capslock is such a headache) whereby they bypass the great outcome of looking and participating into the real Big Issue itself. and to all those loving people who helped and share their knowledge, you rock guys!!!


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Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: ouchie on December 25, 2014, 21:58
ugg, here we go again ::) go to Mcdonalds like someone already sugested. work for a year and you should be able to almost clear 11k. much easyer. Your Too Late To The Game (YTLTTG)
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Semmick Photo on December 26, 2014, 01:26
If your work good it's not too late at all.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaaaah on December 26, 2014, 03:55
OUCHie.....someone desperately looking for troll of the year award.


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Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Difydave on December 26, 2014, 08:17
Something was really bugging me about this thread. However, it wasn't the original question by salaahkhayr. A week later, I finally got it and decided to post what is bugging me:

Yeah, Salaahkhayr broke some protocols with ALL CAPS and seems a little desperate for money (understandable in today's economy), but some of you all are really cruel. I highly doubt you would project such an attitude to him/her in person, as the internet provides anonymity and a shield of protection from retaliation. The one major reason why adults and children don't seek advice or pursue their goals is because they were humiliated sometime during their life for asking for advice. Salaahkhayr's question posed a great trial for many of us: Do we want to be a voice of calm encouragement or a voice of nasty discouragement?

As an art student—and later, a teacher of children and adults—I learned the importance of accentuating the positive and leaving out the negative when it came to advice and critique. Human beings can be very sensitive and people with hidden treasures of talent can be easily crushed when starting out by careless and crude handling.

Be kind to others and they will retaliate in kindness. Be cruel and they will retaliate in cruelty. It may not be toward you, but it will be directed somewhere. We've got enough strife and fighting in the world today. Let's not add to the madness.

Peace :)


I didn't think anyone had been particularly cruel here. One or two told it as it is. The OP asked the question, and was answered honestly.
I'm not sure that "accentuating the positive and leaving out the negative when it comes to advice and critique" is necessarily either a kindness or a good thing. I'm afraid that I see it as encouraging mediocrity.  How are people going to learn if they are told everything they do is great??
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaaaah on December 26, 2014, 09:17
Difydave

May be you are right on this one, people won't learn if they are told everything they do as great. But there is a difference between pointing out one's mistakes, advising him to the correctness and yelling at someone to get out of the microstock world and look for a job a some local resto. i see no sign of good advice in the latter, all i see is harshness!!!


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Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaaaah on December 26, 2014, 09:19

If your work good it's not too late at all.

Yeah that's right. And its because of pple like you that this post becomes really interesting and beneficial.


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Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: ShadySue on December 26, 2014, 10:07

If your work good it's not too late at all.

Yeah that's right. And its because of pple like you that this post becomes really interesting and beneficial.


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So all you want to see are encouraging posts, not necessarily reality?
i.e. you see the few slightly encouraging posts as 'beneficial', but reality-for-most-nowadays posts as 'no sign of good advice'.
If I needed $11k in reasonably quick time, I wouldn't expect to find it as a newbie on micro. Obviously I'd go back to teaching; but if that wasn't possible, I'd be looking for a shop or restaurant job if I needed to be sure of making the money fast.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Difydave on December 26, 2014, 10:36
I agree with ShadySue's post above. You need to look at all the posts and not just the encouraging ones. I don't think anyone here was actually being nasty, but sometimes a jolt of reality can look as if it is less than nice. The truth in this world is often not what we would like to hear.
If you need to make money these days I wouldn't rely solely on microstock to do it. Especially if starting from cold.
I know of at least one photographer who is much better than average, and has been at this for years, who is struggling to make money at this game, and who has a second part time job as part of their income.
Admittedly vectors is a different game, but even so I don't hear of it getting easier. If you look at the successful guys they are accomplished artists and vector drawing is simply the media they use. A lot of them were probably trained long and hard in the old way with pen and ink.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Shelma1 on December 26, 2014, 10:37
I think some of the "harshness" comes from people trying to honestly answer the original question. If the OP truly badly needs $11,000, trying to earn it quickly as a microstock newbie is a very difficult way to go. It would indeed be easier to make that money in a few months working at a minimum wage job. The OP could earn some extra money doing stock illos on the side during that time and gradually build up a portfolio. If the question was simply "is it possible to earn $11,000 per year in microstock," the OP probably would have gotten different answers.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Semmick Photo on December 26, 2014, 15:15
TBH, some comments made it sound like it is sheerly impossible to make $11K in microstock when you join now. Its not IMO. Sean hit the highest tier on SS in like 7 months or so where he started as a newbie. There is one guy on SS, I forgot his name, who made a bundle with something like 300 images in a recently short period as well.  And they did it with photos. Vectors tend to bring in more money. I fully agree its hard work in the beginning to build a good earning port. But its not doom and gloom per-say. If the OP puts in  the hours, the work and raises the bar, he can make $11k in a year. Even in the current stock era.

And I am not sure if working at Mickey D is going to get you $11k in a year either?  The minimum wage is $15k before taxes and then you have your personal expenses as well, before you can put it in a savings account.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Dook on December 26, 2014, 15:21
OP is not a photographer,he is a vector artist, so my advice wouldn't be very helpful.
But, I wrote this sometime ago on another thread. For a photographer, my advice would be, not to flip hamburgers, but to take other photography genders that are more suited for earning money - wedding photography, event photography, local newspaper photographer etc. No need for hamburger flipping.
But, for a vector artist, I really don't know, but try to think in that direction. Local newspaper designer maybe?
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: ShadySue on December 26, 2014, 15:26
TBH, some comments made it sound like it is sheerly impossible to make $11K in microstock when you join now. Its not IMO. Sean hit the highest tier on SS in like 7 months or so where he started as a newbie.
He was by NO means a newbie, and had an enormous back-catalogue.
Actually, he's the proof (for photographers). If it took him 7 months to get to the highest tier, what chance is there for real newbies?  QED.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: chromaco on December 26, 2014, 15:58
Vectors or photos are just a method to illustrate an idea. It's the concept and the execution that sells, not the image. If your concepts and execution are significantly better than people can produce themselves they will probably buy your images. If not your images won't sell no matter how many you make. If you think you can create a product significantly better than what is currently out there then yes you can make a lot of money. If not then you are wasting your time. So my answer is this. If you are better then those currently doing this 11k will be no problem, if not 11k will be almost unreachable. But here's the thing. If you were better than most everyone out there you would already know it and probably wouldn't need to ask.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 26, 2014, 16:16
well guys, i'v learnt a lot from this thread and benefited very much too....finally what i conclude is there are differences between vector artists and photographers and both go their own ways...make the most of your time and the result will come...and don't ever feel threaten by negative menaces of others....!
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: No Free Lunch on December 26, 2014, 16:44
well guys, i'v learnt a lot from this thread and benefited very much too....finally what i conclude is there are differences between vector artists and photographers and both go their own ways...make the most of your time and the result will come...and don't ever feel threaten by negative menaces of others....!

There will be times you will want to give up-  instead just take a small break and go back with more determination each time! Keep learning and never stop trying. I applied those to myself and the rest is history!
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 26, 2014, 16:46
well guys, i'v learnt a lot from this thread and benefited very much too....finally what i conclude is there are differences between vector artists and photographers and both go their own ways...make the most of your time and the result will come...and don't ever feel threaten by negative menaces of others....!

There will be times you will want to give up-  instead just take a small break and go back with more determination each time! Keep learning and never stop trying. I applied those to myself and the rest is history!

and i bet you must be doing well in the business
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: ouchie on December 26, 2014, 17:32
I hope the one thing you have learned is that your work is mediocre at best and if you want to make good money then you'd better substantially up your game and produce quantities like your a factory with a bank of employee's working for you. But don't get discouraged it can be done. and i think your the one to do it. Please come back and let us know when you earned your first 11k.

sign,
reality sux
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: No Free Lunch on December 26, 2014, 19:18
well guys, i'v learnt a lot from this thread and benefited very much too....finally what i conclude is there are differences between vector artists and photographers and both go their own ways...make the most of your time and the result will come...and don't ever feel threaten by negative menaces of others....!

There will be times you will want to give up-  instead just take a small break and go back with more determination each time! Keep learning and never stop trying. I applied those to myself and the rest is history!

and i bet you must be doing well in the business

 8)
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 26, 2014, 19:32
I hope the one thing you have learned is that your work is mediocre at best and if you want to make good money then you'd better substantially up your game and produce quantities like your a factory with a bank of employee's working for you. But don't get discouraged it can be done. and i think your the one to do it. Please come back and let us know when you earned your first 11k.

sign,
reality sux

Soon baby

sign,
realiy sux for sukers!
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: pkphotos on December 27, 2014, 06:01
I find it hard to take this thread seriously as the original poster seems to sway between serious questioning, repetitive questioning, banal questioning and insincere retorts. The whole thread could be an ongoing joke.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: ShadySue on December 27, 2014, 07:40
Could be a wind-up; could be just that "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" (Paul Simon).
Still the thread is useful to direct others to.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Difydave on December 27, 2014, 10:20
I find it hard to take this thread seriously as the original poster seems to sway between serious questioning, repetitive questioning, banal questioning and insincere retorts. The whole thread could be an ongoing joke.
Could be although didn't someone say that the OP had been asking much the same questions on the SS forums?
That would tend to validate Liz's point about the Paul Simon lyrics quote. "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"
And of course the same question asked repeatedly may get an acceptable answer eventually.
I reckon of all the PF critique requests, and "How much can I make with these" threads I have seen, only around 5% of the OPs actually know what they are doing, and just want confirmation of what they already know.
I have asked people in the past to tell us what they think about their PF first. (They never respond) Being self critical of your own work is an important part of this job.
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: No Free Lunch on December 27, 2014, 11:35
Could be a wind-up; could be just that "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" (Paul Simon).
Still the thread is useful to direct others to.

Just like my teenager- she has 'Selective Hearing'   ;)


Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: jatrax on December 27, 2014, 11:57
well guys, i'v learnt a lot from this thread and benefited very much too....finally what i conclude is there are differences between vector artists and photographers and both go their own ways...make the most of your time and the result will come...and don't ever feel threaten by negative menaces of others....!
I hope you learned a lot more than that............

The most important thing I was told when I started was that this is a marathon, not a sprint.  If your goal is to earn $11,000 and quit (which is what the title of your OP implies) then this is the wrong business for you, there are many easier ways to do that.  But if your goal is to eventually earn $11,000 per year then yes you can do that.  Just do not expect that to happen quickly.  Produce consistent good quality images, submitted regularly and in 2 or 3 years you should have a portfolio that will earn that much.

Good luck!
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: salaahkhayr on December 27, 2014, 14:09
well guys, i'v learnt a lot from this thread and benefited very much too....finally what i conclude is there are differences between vector artists and photographers and both go their own ways...make the most of your time and the result will come...and don't ever feel threaten by negative menaces of others....!
I hope you learned a lot more than that............

The most important thing I was told when I started was that this is a marathon, not a sprint.  If your goal is to earn $11,000 and quit (which is what the title of your OP implies) then this is the wrong business for you, there are many easier ways to do that.  But if your goal is to eventually earn $11,000 per year then yes you can do that.  Just do not expect that to happen quickly.  Produce consistent good quality images, submitted regularly and in 2 or 3 years you should have a portfolio that will earn that much.

Good luck!

yea thankxx...
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: Jonathan Ross on December 29, 2014, 13:25
Hi Striving,

 I like what your tag line reads...Stand up for what's right. 

Peace,
J
Title: Re: I BADLY NEED $11000 and i'm quite new to the microstock industry...
Post by: PixelBytes on December 30, 2014, 00:42
Hi Striving,

 I like what your tag line reads...Stand up for what's right. 

Peace,
J

Nice thought.  Maybe you should PM him?