Author Topic: Is anyone selling images of pigs these days? (Read 15317 times)

tan510jomast · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2009, 13:08 »

Quote from: Dook on April 30, 2009, 02:45

There was a thread about editorial pictures on microstock sites. I do not think editorial pictures are doing well in microstock market (pigs pictures). Newspapers editors (the ones editing first pages, breaking news pages) use news pictures services Reuters, AP,AFP etc. They do not even connect to microstock. Maybe other editors do (lifestyle, business etc), but breaking news- no.

that's so true Dook. where are you living? i've been freelancing in Canada and until the end of 1990's the papers were buying, even the tabloids, and paying 15 dollars per photo . at that time as a new graduate i was stringing for these weekly writing photo essays getting about $100 a page each week.
then after the crash, they all started using news services. last time i heard in montreal, the papers told me the same, "all free services ...but we give you photo credits,lol). here in halifax, i blog for the local web papers (they just laid off a bunch of journalists), and all my work has been voluntary. i do it just for my writing port, not for giving away my photos . but local students from the arts school and university are working for free to get a start in their "careers"

i do sell a couple of my editorials with DT, but they were bought by associations related to those new images, i think

but certainly nothing like the old 80-90s when even a fresh commercial and photojournalism graduate could make money, real money .
times sure changed ,hasn't it? and i sort of pity the new young photographers, all coming out with incredible technique using the view camera to manual Pentax K1000 slr, Mamiyas twinlr (no dslr in photo U or school, they won't allow you to cheat. it's all manual and with their handheld light meters , all practising along the waterfront ... ).

batman · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2009, 13:34 »

Sounds like you had a long and interesting career tan510jomast. You said good ole 80s-90s , so you must be old !

I don't mean old and tired, I mean more senior than most newbies in microstock .

tan510jomast · « **Reply #27 on:** April 30, 2009, 13:38 »

Quote from: batman on April 30, 2009, 13:34

Sounds like you had a long and interesting career tan510jomast. You said good ole 80s-90s , so you must be old ! I don't mean old and tired, I mean more senior than most newbies in microstock .

lol bat, if you mean 40+ and a zoomer, yes i am ! tired? no, just semi retired in photography. and micro is a one day a week thing for me. just testing the water , sort of. probably get bored of it, if all you get is subs. btw, how "ole" are you batman

Dook · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2009, 14:05 »

Quote from: tan510jomast on April 30, 2009, 13:08

Quote from: Dook on April 30, 2009, 02:45
There was a thread about editorial pictures on microstock sites. I do not think editorial pictures are doing well in microstock market (pigs pictures). Newspapers editors (the ones editing first pages, breaking news pages) use news pictures services Reuters, AP,AFP etc. They do not even connect to microstock. Maybe other editors do (lifestyle, business etc), but breaking news- no.

that's so true Dook. where are you living? i've been freelancing in Canada and until the end of 1990's the papers were buying, even the tabloids, and paying 15 dollars per photo . at that time as a new graduate i was stringing for these weekly writing photo essays getting about $100 a page each week.
then after the crash, they all started using news services. last time i heard in montreal, the papers told me the same, "all free services ...but we give you photo credits,lol). here in halifax, i blog for the local web papers (they just laid off a bunch of journalists), and all my work has been voluntary. i do it just for my writing port, not for giving away my photos . but local students from the arts school and university are working for free to get a start in their "careers"

i do sell a couple of my editorials with DT, but they were bought by associations related to those new images, i think
but certainly nothing like the old 80-90s when even a fresh commercial and photojournalism graduate could make money, real money .
times sure changed ,hasn't it? and i sort of pity the new young photographers, all coming out with incredible technique using the view camera to manual Pentax K1000 slr, Mamiyas twinlr (no dslr in photo U or school, they won't allow you to cheat. it's all manual and with their handheld light meters , all practising along the waterfront ... ).

I am from Eastern Europe, but things are the same in newspapers all around the world.
If a news story lives longer than , lets say, few days ( like this flue unfortunately) there is chance for microstock editorial pictures to sell. First, these pictures would be accepted by the time, and second, the news pictures services are charging something like 10 euros for archive pictures ( older than 3 days) and it is more than microstock picture.

tan510jomast · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2009, 15:00 »

Quote from: Dook on April 30, 2009, 14:05

I am from Eastern Europe, but things are the same in newspapers all around the world.
If a news story lives longer than , lets say, few days ( like this flue unfortunately) there is chance for microstock editorial pictures to sell. First, these pictures would be accepted by the time, and second, the news pictures services are charging something like 10 euros for archive pictures ( older than 3 days) and it is more than microstock picture.

hey good point ,Dook! i will keep an eye more on those editorials. i never thought much of it nowadays, as i got tired of chasing the news. but you just gave me some bright ideas for micro stock editorials.
cheers.

Newsfocus1 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 30, 2009, 17:10 »

First ever sale on Yaymicro today (2.5 euro). Guess what, a picture of a Tamworth pig. It is just possible that editing my keywords last night and adding "swine" and "flu" may have helped a bit. Not exploitation, just following journalistic instinct for an old RM editorial hack. Regards, David

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #31 on:** April 30, 2009, 17:58 »

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on April 30, 2009, 17:10

First ever sale on Yaymicro today (2.5 euro). Guess what, a picture of a Tamworth pig. It is just possible that editing my keywords last night and adding "swine" and "flu" may have helped a bit. Not exploitation, just following journalistic instinct for an old RM editorial hack. Regards, David

Otherwise known as "spam".

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #32 on:** April 30, 2009, 19:06 »

Quote from: sjlocke on April 30, 2009, 17:58

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on April 30, 2009, 17:10
First ever sale on Yaymicro today (2.5 euro). Guess what, a picture of a Tamworth pig. It is just possible that editing my keywords last night and adding "swine" and "flu" may have helped a bit. Not exploitation, just following journalistic instinct for an old RM editorial hack. Regards, David

Otherwise known as "spam".

Is it really spam? He sold the picture.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #33 on:** April 30, 2009, 19:52 »

Sure it's spam. You can't just add "flu" to any picture of a pig. That would be like adding "married" to all pictures of women, because some of them are.

batman · « **Reply #34 on:** April 30, 2009, 22:04 »

Quote from: sjlocke on April 30, 2009, 19:52

Sure it's spam. You can't just add "flu" to any picture of a pig. That would be like adding "married" to all pictures of women, because some of them are.

Good point, Mr locke

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #35 on:** May 01, 2009, 14:11 »

Quote from: sjlocke on April 30, 2009, 19:52

Sure it's spam. You can't just add "flu" to any picture of a pig. That would be like adding "married" to all pictures of women, because some of them are.

Really? Would they sell? The addition of "flu" seems to have helped sell the picture of swine. Are you really sure that is spam? I see a lot of "Swine Flu" pictures in the searches. They seem to be selling?

Newsfocus1 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 01, 2009, 15:12 »

Quote from: sjlocke on April 30, 2009, 17:58

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on April 30, 2009, 17:10
First ever sale on Yaymicro today (2.5 euro). Guess what, a picture of a Tamworth pig. It is just possible that editing my keywords last night and adding "swine" and "flu" may have helped a bit. Not exploitation, just following journalistic instinct for an old RM editorial hack. Regards, David

Otherwise known as "spam".

Fair comment Sean if we were talking about a non editorial site like Istock. A picture of a pig does not show "flu" and the keyword would be spam in that case. For a site like Yay which pitches towards editorial markets it was totally relevant in my opinion. Sky News has been constantly using a stock shot of a pig to illustrate its swine flu reports and I am sure many other media outlets are doing the same. I don't think anyone in the media searching for pictures to illustrate swine flu would regard a picture of a pig as irrelevant. Spam? Pig? actually Sean were you being funny and I missed it?, regards, David

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #37 on:** May 01, 2009, 15:25 »

Would you keyword a picture of a horse in a field with "Kentucky Derby"?

batman · « **Reply #38 on:** May 01, 2009, 15:33 »

Going against Sean to say it's ok for a pic of a pig (tongue twister here, lol) to indicate swine flu... would that mean all those with a shot of bacon would now be a good time to add the keywords "swine flu"?
Let's get all pork chops, bacon, pig, piglet, boar, etc... and add the keywords then.

zymmetricaldotcom · « **Reply #39 on:** May 01, 2009, 15:56 »

So should http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-6676399-hot-pink-baltimore-hon.php be keyworded as 'retro revival' if we were in the 1960's?

Newsfocus1 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 01, 2009, 17:05 »

Quote from: sjlocke on May 01, 2009, 15:25

Would you keyword a picture of a horse in a field with "Kentucky Derby"?

Never, Sean, that would be a total lie (and spam) . A picture of a pig (swine) is totally relevant to swine flu reports (editorially). It relates to pigs. Therefore any image of a pig (at present) makes it is a relevant keyword. It's times like this that I wish I was an Istock excluslive (I'd have loads of pix of the swine flu virus - isolated on white of course!). Regards, David

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #41 on:** May 01, 2009, 17:25 »

Sorry, I disagree. Would you like all thermometers tagged with "swine flu"? I mean, you have to take someone's temperature when you have the flu, right?

Newsfocus1 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 01, 2009, 17:51 »

Quote from: sjlocke on May 01, 2009, 17:25

Sorry, I disagree. Would you like all thermometers tagged with "swine flu"? I mean, you have to take someone's temperature when you have the flu, right?

If it led to a sale yes . Let the buyer decide, surely! (they ain't stupid) Regards, David

le_cyclope · « **Reply #43 on:** May 01, 2009, 18:00 »

If you want a photo of a pig to illustrate a concept of swine flu, you search for «pigs», not flu...

Claude

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #44 on:** May 01, 2009, 19:46 »

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on May 01, 2009, 17:51

If it led to a sale yes . Let the buyer decide, surely! (they ain't stupid) Regards, David

Then you should spam all kinds of stuff on there. Business, medicine, health, etc. Who knows, it might lead to a sale, and who cares about the unknown quantity of people you annoy with your pig in a "swine flu" search.

null · « **Reply #45 on:** May 01, 2009, 19:52 »

I was working yesterday on a pig portrait with headset, a scrub suit and a thermometer in its mouth but the beast was quite uncooperative. I got almost kicked twice in the youknowhat.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #46 on:** May 01, 2009, 20:03 »

There are some very creative Swine Flu illustrations on DT. Is it spamming to Title the image Swine Flu?

batman · « **Reply #47 on:** May 01, 2009, 20:15 »

Quote from: sjlocke on May 01, 2009, 19:46

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on May 01, 2009, 17:51
If it led to a sale yes . Let the buyer decide, surely! (they ain't stupid) Regards, David

Then you should spam all kinds of stuff on there. Business, medicine, health, etc. Who knows, it might lead to a sale, and who cares about the unknown quantity of people you annoy with your pig in a "swine flu" search.

This debate certainly would be worth keeping abreast. How about an image of someone with a hypodermic syringe and the "non-spamming" keywords, (hang on to this... the possibilty is endless):
"swine flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, tuberculosis, yellow fever, avian flu, asian flu, ....(you continue)"

null · « **Reply #48 on:** May 01, 2009, 20:17 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on May 01, 2009, 20:03

There are some very creative Swine Flu illustrations on DT. Is it spamming to Title the image Swine Flu?

There is some very creative spamming too. This is on page 1 for "swine flu":

Keywords: absorbed adult airborne audio audiophile avian background black boy caucasian equipment facial flu hair head headphones headset leisure listen listening looking male man mask music pleased protection risk safety sickness sounds stereo studio swine toxicity upwards virus

batman · « **Reply #49 on:** May 01, 2009, 20:23 »

What's the headphone for? It would be more appropriate if they included a parabolic microphone, like those used in football matches in USA and Canada. Then they can say that the headphones is used to listen for the approach of the swine herd stampede , fleeing from researchers of WHO gathering swines to develop an antidote.

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Author Topic: Is anyone selling images of pigs these days? (Read 15317 times)

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