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« on: January 27, 2009, 18:24 »
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I just had a meeting today with a man who is designing the website for the company I work for.  I noticed he had pictures on our website that weren't taken of our facility and asked him where he got them.  He buys from Dreamstime and Stockxpert.  Later in the conversation, he mentioned that he has a lot of pictures that he took years ago.  I told him he should put them on the sites and sell them, but he said he wouldn't sell them on a microstock site for a dollar apiece.  Does that make him a hypocrite that he would buy other people's pictures for a dollar, but not sell his own for the same price?

As a side note, he showed me some of his photography....it's not very good IMO.


« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2009, 18:36 »
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I don't know why it should be considered as hypocrisy: everybody is free to choose to contribute to mirostock or not and purchasing from contributors who decide to sell their photo for $1 does not mean that you intend to sell yours for that price.

I don't see any problem here.

And you should have told him that you find his photos not very good... it's somehow hypocrite to write it here while not telling him your feelings  ;)

avava

« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2009, 18:37 »
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 I think a photographer can buy and sell where ever he wants without the scrutinizing of his piers. I personally don't care where he gets his images from or sells them I feel it is his business. I would prefer to see more information that we can all use as photographers rather than talk hypocrisy on some guy I don't know.

My two cents,
AVAVA

« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 18:47 »
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I don't know why it should be considered as hypocrisy: everybody is free to choose to contribute to mirostock or not and purchasing from contributors who decide to sell their photo for $1 does not mean that you intend to sell yours for that price.

I don't see any problem here.

And you should have told him that you find his photos not very good... it's somehow hypocrite to write it here while not telling him your feelings  ;)

I only put that side note of my opinion because I thought it was relevant.....as in, if you are an incredible photographer, you could probably fetch more for your pictures. 
He didn't ask my opinion of his pictures and I believe that you shouldn't say such things unless asked for your critique.

As for the hypocrisy question....I'm not super-serious about my question....I just thought it was kinda funny that he expects other people to sell their pictures for a dollar, but he thinks he's too good for that. 

graficallyminded

« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 18:49 »
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The more people that feel that way, the less competition we all will have.  Who cares?  People who want to act high and mighty can do just so.  I don't bother trying to explain myself or my business methods to those types of people anymore - to each his own.

« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 18:54 »
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I think a photographer can buy and sell where ever he wants without the scrutinizing of his piers. I personally don't care where he gets his images from or sells them I feel it is his business. I would prefer to see more information that we can all use as photographers rather than talk hypocrisy on some guy I don't know.

My two cents,
AVAVA
You didn't have to respond if you weren't interested in the topic. 
I just figured it was a topic that some people might be interested in since so many people seem to be into discussing the whole macro vs. micro which is what this is basically about.  I guess hypocrite is too strong of a word, but it was the first one that came to mind when I typed this up.

lisafx

« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2009, 18:58 »
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Personally I am glad for his choices.  I would love for more people to buy from microstock and fewer to sell it - better for us contributors :)

tan510jomast

« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 19:37 »
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 Paula, we have values placed on things. It's like the way we choose our wine. We go to an office party, we select some bubbly, cheap ones. We have a dinner at home for two, ie. your special someone, we select the good ones, a little pricey.
Buying/selling photos is no different from buying/selling wine.

« Last Edit: January 27, 2009, 19:43 by tan510jomast »

avava

« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 19:46 »
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Paula,

  Sorry for offending you. You are correct, if I don't have anything good to say best to just not say it. You say what you wish about this individual.

AVAVA

« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 20:04 »
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Paula,

  Sorry for offending you. You are correct, if I don't have anything good to say best to just not say it. You say what you wish about this individual.

AVAVA
Maybe I should've just made this person a hypothetical person.  No matter, it wasn't a big deal.  Next subject.

« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 20:39 »
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Maybe he simply doesn't find it worth the time?

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2009, 10:18 »
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Does that make him a hypocrite that he would buy other people's pictures for a dollar, but not sell his own for the same price?

Yes.

But to make Avava's point, you're free to be a hypocrite if you want.

« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 11:33 »
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He's no more a hypocrite than the rest of us.  I realized a long time ago that if I had to kill and butcher my own meat, I'd quickly become a vegetarian.  Heck, there are lots of jobs I pay somebody to do that I wouldn't do myself.

tan510jomast

« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 11:48 »
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Paula,Sorry for offending you. You are correct, if I don't have anything good to say best to just not say it. You say what you wish about this individual. AVAVA
Maybe I should've just made this person a hypothetical person.  No matter, it wasn't a big deal.  Next subject.

Paula, all is fair in the forum. Literally it means open speech, so don't feel bad . You asked an honest question. If we have to think twice each time we ask a question here, it would take away half the fun .
Let's consider this no different from getting together at the pub. OK?  cheers, bottoms up ! ;)

« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 16:47 »
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Paula,Sorry for offending you. You are correct, if I don't have anything good to say best to just not say it. You say what you wish about this individual. AVAVA
Maybe I should've just made this person a hypothetical person.  No matter, it wasn't a big deal.  Next subject.

Paula, all is fair in the forum. Literally it means open speech, so don't feel bad . You asked an honest question. If we have to think twice each time we ask a question here, it would take away half the fun .
Let's consider this no different from getting together at the pub. OK?  cheers, bottoms up ! ;)
Well, I have to say that the responses I got from this question made me feel less inclined to start any posts or comment much at all.  I wasn't trying to talk about this person behind their back but more just to bring up the topic of people buying pictures for $1 but not willing to sell them......the same way a person complains about Wal-mart putting them out of business and then shopping there.  But this isn't the first time that I have experienced negativity from people on this site.   :-\
In the future, I'll just ask questions of things that directly pertain to the direct business of microstock, if I have any that can't be answered by sifting through the thousands of other messages.  Or I'll figure it out myself.  Or find the answer from a friendlier forum.   :-X

« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2009, 17:05 »
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Does that make him a hypocrite that he would buy other people's pictures for a dollar, but not sell his own for the same price?
As a side note, he showed me some of his photography....it's not very good IMO.

Not a hypocrite just a good businessman that knows his own limitations by not shooting his own images, and values his own time more than his vanity!

I know how to fix my car and a few years ago I would have had a go, but now I value the service the local garage gives, they do a better job have the right tools, and they free my time to earn money at what I do best, am I a hypocrite?

David  :D

« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2009, 22:16 »
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I realized a long time ago that if I had to kill and butcher my own meat, I'd quickly become a vegetarian.  Heck, there are lots of jobs I pay somebody to do that I wouldn't do myself.

man, isn't that the truth.


« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2009, 15:13 »
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Well, I have to say that the responses I got from this question made me feel less inclined to start any posts or comment much at all.  I wasn't trying to talk about this person behind their back but more just to bring up the topic of people buying pictures for $1 but not willing to sell them......the same way a person complains about Wal-mart putting them out of business and then shopping there.  But this isn't the first time that I have experienced negativity from people on this site.   :-\
In the future, I'll just ask questions of things that directly pertain to the direct business of microstock, if I have any that can't be answered by sifting through the thousands of other messages.  Or I'll figure it out myself.  Or find the answer from a friendlier forum.   :-X

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Paula, I hope you don't really mean that. Everyones views and comments are appreciated here I hope. Your original posting certainly made me smile. Perhaps ironic rather than hypocritical was the case here. I have always found this a friendly forum (apart perhaps from being accused of being a stooge of picturenation.co.uk when all I did was pass on my own experience as a contributor there!). Please keep posting on anything you like! Regards, David

« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2009, 15:18 »
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photos he took 'years ago' = film or bad dSLRs --> he couldn't cut it in the microstock industry :)

hali

« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2009, 15:36 »
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photos he took 'years ago' = film or bad dSLRs --> he couldn't cut it in the microstock industry :)
good point, ichiro. 

« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2009, 16:21 »
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Well, I have to say that the responses I got from this question made me feel less inclined to start any posts or comment much at all.  I wasn't trying to talk about this person behind their back but more just to bring up the topic of people buying pictures for $1 but not willing to sell them......the same way a person complains about Wal-mart putting them out of business and then shopping there.  But this isn't the first time that I have experienced negativity from people on this site.   :-\
In the future, I'll just ask questions of things that directly pertain to the direct business of microstock, if I have any that can't be answered by sifting through the thousands of other messages.  Or I'll figure it out myself.  Or find the answer from a friendlier forum.   :-X


Paula, I hope you don't really mean that. Everyones views and comments are appreciated here I hope. Your original posting certainly made me smile. Perhaps ironic rather than hypocritical was the case here. I have always found this a friendly forum (apart perhaps from being accused of being a stooge of picturenation.co.uk when all I did was pass on my own experience as a contributor there!). Please keep posting on anything you like! Regards, David
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Well, I've been trying to participate in the forum, but my experience thus far hasn't been all that pleasant.  I think my time would be better spent working on pictures...I'm not making any money making comments in here and if they're not wanted, then there's no reason for me to stick around.  I've already been attacked twice now and I've seen some really sarcastic remarks made to other new users so this site hasn't made a very good impression on me.  I belong to another online photography community who are very nice and helpful and I consider many of them to be good friends. 
And you're right....ironic would've been a better word.

« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2009, 16:29 »
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Well, I've been trying to participate in the forum, but my experience thus far hasn't been all that pleasant.  I think my time would be better spent working on pictures...I'm not making any money making comments in here and if they're not wanted, then there's no reason for me to stick around.  I've already been attacked twice now and I've seen some really sarcastic remarks made to other new users so this site hasn't made a very good impression on me.  I belong to another online photography community who are very nice and helpful and I consider many of them to be good friends. 
Paula,
This has been the mood lately, but MSG wasn't like that. I don't understand what triggered that, but there has been a lot of sarcasm and bashing lately.  I think we all have the right to disagree, I only think we should make it politely.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2009, 17:43 »
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I agree with you Adelaide! -A level off hostility is definitely up lately. I'm not sure what is the reason for that, but in any case, we should all be polite to each other, even in disagreement.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2009, 19:53 by goldenangel »

lisafx

« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2009, 19:18 »
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I agree with you Adelaide! -A level off hostility is definitely uplately. I'm not sure what is the reason for that, but in any case, we should all be polite to each other, even in disagreement.

If I had to guess I would say that the world economic downturn and the corresponding downturn in a lot of people's stats is to blame.  I remember past recessions that things like racism, crime, etc. go up and civility/courtesy become pretty scarce.

It's easy to get sucked into the negativity, but I believe that the world will show you what you are looking for - good or bad - depending on your state of mind. Maybe it sounds cliched,  but I believe in the power of positive thinking.     


hali

« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2009, 20:25 »
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Paula, they say that the first stage of that old age affliction,( I won't mention the sickness for fear of hurting the innocent old ones), begins with anger, distrust, fear of sharing, and blaming the world for your inability to cope and keep up with change.
This could have brought up the tempest, so to speak. Pls don't take it personally,
they're really not worth it. Share your thoughts here, don't be afraid of the boisterous and sometimes over the top exaggeration. It's like a game. Some ppl
after hitting bulleye will quietly walk away and sip their guinness, while another who miss the board will scream shout stomp their feet , and even pour the precious brew over their opponent.  All in a good day's forum, I'd say.
Hope to see you again, huh?


 

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