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Title: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: namussi on July 09, 2018, 22:43
I'm not seeing a lot of love for Shutterstock right now.


Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 09, 2018, 23:19
Ditto
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Chichikov on July 10, 2018, 00:24
People love to bite the hand that fed themÖ
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: CrFx on July 10, 2018, 00:59
"Some people will only check on you just to see if you have failed yet.
Nope, I'm still winning!" - Shutterstock
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: MicroVet on July 10, 2018, 01:00
SS is making some some pretty awful decisions, that are damaging the income of a lot of photographers at the moment and making us predict that things may go bad for SS too in the future.

For example, the review process has become a complete joke:

- It has become almost random in their approvals and rejections. Images that are rejected for stupid reasons are almost guaranteed to be approved on a second submission. It makes everybody lose time.

- The quality level demand has dropped to zero. There are thousands of images approved daily that are appalling. Amateur to the worst level. You name every error anyone can make on a photo and they are approved.

- Similar images do not seem to be an issue anymore. In the past days there was a portfolio with hundreds of thousands of images where each object was submitted with a 1 degree difference in point of view. And that for every angle possible.

So, any photographer who tries to produce varied, high quality imagery (even if just an apple on white), and pics just the good images from a sessions to submit gets buried under all that.

It's not biting the hand that feeds us has it's said earlier. It's stating the obvious errors SS is making, which are making it to be an agency going from a high quality imagery shop to becoming the garbage landfill of stock agencies.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 10, 2018, 01:24
SS is making some some pretty awful decisions, that are damaging the income of a lot of photographers at the moment and making us predict that things make go bad for SS too in the future.

For example, the review process has become a complete joke:

- It has become almost random in their approvals and rejections. Images that are rejected for stupid reasons are almost guaranteed to be approved on a second submission. It makes everybody lose time.

- The quality level demand has dropped to zero. There are thousands of images approved daily that are appalling. Amateur to the worst level. You name every error anyone can make on a photo and they are approved.

- Similar images do not seem to be an issue anymore. In the past days there was a portfolio with hundreds of thousands of images where each object was submitted with a 1 degree difference in point of view. And that for every angle possible.

So, any photographer who tries to produce varied, high quality imagery (even if just an apple on white), and pics just the good images from a sessions to submit gets buried under all that.

It's not biting the hand that feeds us has it's said earlier. It's stating the obvious errors SS is making, which are making it to be an agency going from a high quality imagery shop to becoming the garbage landfill of stock agencies.

Its a new Admin a new order and agenda!  Their internal staff problems are huge even according to themselves. The prior global head of content left in disgust and there are probbly much more to follow!....these are the criteria that sooner or later break any corp!
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Pauws99 on July 10, 2018, 01:44
Some people have hated them for an awfully long time but not enough to act on their high principles and withdraw their portfolios. I think they are not being particularly well run at this time but I don't see that as a reason to hate.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: sharpshot on July 10, 2018, 02:03
I can't hate them as much as istock because they still pay me much more than istock ever did.  What I hate more is the people that constantly complained about istock, while doing nothing about it.  Some people were probably complaining here while they were uploading.  Many of us stopped uploading, deleted images and eventually closed our accounts.  That was the only way to hurt istock and at least make the other sites give us a bit more respect.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Artist on July 10, 2018, 03:10
We all have seen bad contributor relations with iStock and not all are happy.
I don't find a reason to hate SS, they are still my top earner.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on July 10, 2018, 03:46
That was the only way to hurt istock and at least make the other sites give us a bit more respect.

How do you figure that?
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Video-StockOrg on July 10, 2018, 05:27
We are 10. of the month and we only earned 15% of what we usually earn with SS. This is really bad.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: MicroVet on July 10, 2018, 05:33
Some people were probably complaining here while they were uploading.  Many of us stopped uploading, deleted images and eventually closed our accounts.  That was the only way to hurt istock and at least make the other sites give us a bit more respect.

I understand what you are saying, but even in small companies people can't get a few dozen workers, who know and see each other every single day, united on a common goal.

How would you expect a mass organized action based on MSG alone where only a small fraction of photographers come, on a global scale, between people that have never met, have absolutely different goals (professional/amateurs), different income expectations where some need 3000Ä to live and others are kings with 500Ä, different points of view on the subject, etc.

The only way to change an agency politics on this type of business is to threaten their income through competition. Or have the means to launch a persistent major campaign worldwide. And have the money to fight the agency lawyers who will try to sue you for defamation.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: cathyslife on July 10, 2018, 05:53
I can't hate them as much as istock because they still pay me much more than istock ever did.  What I hate more is the people that constantly complained about istock, while doing nothing about it.  Some people were probably complaining here while they were uploading.  Many of us stopped uploading, deleted images and eventually closed our accounts.  That was the only way to hurt istock and at least make the other sites give us a bit more respect.


Yes, that is what I hate about people constantly complaining about a site. Their famous line is ďI am not going to be giving them any more of my images.Ē So the stock siteís business ethics are so disgusting that they will complain and complain and complain, but they will still let the site continue to stick it to them. They donít want to give up those pennies, because after all, a penny is better than nothing right? Even if they suck, right?


The funny thing is, two of the things most complained about is the massive numbers of contributors now, and the lack of decent sales. So if you dump a site altogether, you arenít actually losing all that much money, are you?
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: ShadySue on July 10, 2018, 05:53
I can't hate them as much as istock because they still pay me much more than istock ever did.  What I hate more is the people that constantly complained about istock, while doing nothing about it.  Some people were probably complaining here while they were uploading.  Many of us stopped uploading, deleted images and eventually closed our accounts.  That was the only way to hurt istock and at least make the other sites give us a bit more respect.
I've always seen it slightly differently. iS were trying to raise prices but SS weren't.
iS could see that people were willing to accept 25c/38c for an image, (I accept the average was higher than that) so they could start * us about too.
I know other people are more focussed on 'total earnings', but SS not raising prices when iS did hurt all of us, when they were the top two by miles.
Still, there would always have been someone offering lower prices.

The title should be: Is Shutterstock joining iStock as an agency everyone loves to hate.

When  I was a really wee girl, we had a skipping game.
One girl jumped in, and the verse went (using real names of girls):
"Vote, vote, vote for Sandra NiceGirl" (other girl jumps in and they skip together)
"In jumps Sally at the door
She is the one that we all love best
And we don't love Sandra any more.
<shouted:>CLOSE THE DOOR" (first girl jumps out).
And the game went on, Vote, vote, vote for Sally Nextgirl" ... etc

Who knew at that age it was based on real life?
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: ShadySue on July 10, 2018, 05:56
Yes, that is what I hate about people constantly complaining about a site. Their famous line is ďI am not going to be giving them any more of my images.Ē So the stock siteís business ethics are so disgusting that they will complain and complain and complain, but they will still let the site continue to stick it to them. They donít want to give up those pennies, because after all, a penny is better than nothing right? Even if they suck, right?
Which of the micros do you feel has overall good business ethics? (remembering that this is a microstock site, so don't name macros)
IMO, none of them.
And we all have shown that we each have different levels of what we are prepared to tolerate. Or different 'issues' make us more angry than others feel about that issue.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 10, 2018, 06:05
I really dont think anybody hates any agency since its business and well you know what they say anything goes and all game is fair etc, etc.. I think what bugs many especially old-timers is that they know something is wrong not guessing but after many years they simply know by comparissons and hundreds/thousands of friends who are in the same boat.
SS have become totally blase and dont care anymore no matter how obvious they just dont care. I doubt very much they even care about share-holders either. Just plodding along in the same antique ways.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on July 10, 2018, 06:29
People don't like some of the decisions SS is making but that's very different to hating them for a long history of contributor abuse like IStock. So SS is mainly disliked for not making as much money for people as they once did, but that is hurting them as well as us so in that regard isn't intentional. Getty has been actively squeezing contributors forever in a way that SS just hasn't.

But what I am most confused by is the hatred of 123rf, which have one of the highest RPDs and which pay a minimum of 30% up to 60% and 50%+ actually obtainable for professional contributors.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Zero Talent on July 10, 2018, 06:44
I'm not seeing a lot of love for Shutterstock right now.

People forget how awful iStock is because they don't have access to live download stats to build their conspiracies on and to be constantly reminded about that insulting 15% or less revenue share.

Less transparency = less negativity, smart move from IS?
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Pauws99 on July 10, 2018, 06:55
People don't like some of the decisions SS is making but that's very different to hating them for a long history of contributor abuse like IStock. So SS is mainly disliked for not making as much money for people as they once did, but that is hurting them as well as us so in that regard isn't intentional. Getty has been actively squeezing contributors forever in a way that SS just hasn't.

But what I am most confused by is the hatred of 123rf, which have one of the highest RPDs and which pay a minimum of 30% up to 60% and 50%+ actually obtainable for professional contributors.
Thats way above what I achieve there...I don't hate them but very disappointed that sales and commissions have gone backwards there.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: CrFx on July 10, 2018, 07:01
People don't like some of the decisions SS is making but that's very different to hating them for a long history of contributor abuse like IStock. So SS is mainly disliked for not making as much money for people as they once did, but that is hurting them as well as us so in that regard isn't intentional. Getty has been actively squeezing contributors forever in a way that SS just hasn't.

But what I am most confused by is the hatred of 123rf, which have one of the highest RPDs and which pay a minimum of 30% up to 60% and 50%+ actually obtainable for professional contributors.
Thats way above what I achieve there...I don't hate them but very disappointed that sales and commissions have gone backwards there.

Agree, disappointed with sales, but still far better than iStock (who do shady business). SS also shares there quarterly reports and is more transparent than others.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 10, 2018, 07:40
People don't like some of the decisions SS is making but that's very different to hating them for a long history of contributor abuse like IStock. So SS is mainly disliked for not making as much money for people as they once did, but that is hurting them as well as us so in that regard isn't intentional. Getty has been actively squeezing contributors forever in a way that SS just hasn't.

But what I am most confused by is the hatred of 123rf, which have one of the highest RPDs and which pay a minimum of 30% up to 60% and 50%+ actually obtainable for professional contributors.
Thats way above what I achieve there...I don't hate them but very disappointed that sales and commissions have gone backwards there.

Agree! strange though for me as SS went down ( old timer) Istock went way, way up!  and sort of evend out the difference.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Pauws99 on July 10, 2018, 07:47
People don't like some of the decisions SS is making but that's very different to hating them for a long history of contributor abuse like IStock. So SS is mainly disliked for not making as much money for people as they once did, but that is hurting them as well as us so in that regard isn't intentional. Getty has been actively squeezing contributors forever in a way that SS just hasn't.

But what I am most confused by is the hatred of 123rf, which have one of the highest RPDs and which pay a minimum of 30% up to 60% and 50%+ actually obtainable for professional contributors.
Thats way above what I achieve there...I don't hate them but very disappointed that sales and commissions have gone backwards there.


Agree! strange though for me as SS went down ( old timer) Istock went way, way up!  and sort of evend out the difference.
Just to clarify I was talking about rf123.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: cthoman on July 10, 2018, 08:50
All the agencies are pretty much all the same. They are an impediment to making a better living, but better than making nothing. Until they are the same as making nothing, then nothing will change.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Minsc on July 10, 2018, 10:57
SS haven't changed in years so the hate stems from mainly competition. I don't see any reason to hate SS since they haven't been reducing contributor royalties. They've been consistent if anything else. Sure, you can say they've been accepting everything and flooding the market with new images, but that's the nature of any market. It will continue to grow and you just have to find a market for yourself.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: MicroVet on July 10, 2018, 11:07
I don't see any reason to hate SS since they haven't been reducing contributor royalties.

Well, considering that they haven't raise the contributor commissions for about 10 years, while raising the price of subscriptions, you may say that they have somewhat reduced the royalties.

In the past, when SS raised the price of the subscription plans, they usually raised the amount paid per download.

Plus, they seriously dropped the price of the Extended Licenses. A couple years back we would get $28 and now it's rare for them to get to the $20 mark.

I'm pretty sure that they also changed the requirements from which a buyer had to buy an EL, like the number of prints. Many sales that would have required an EL and for which you would receive $28, now you receive $0.38 or less depending on your rank because of the more permissive license.

So yes, they have been reducing the royalties.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on July 10, 2018, 11:51
I don't see any reason to hate SS since they haven't been reducing contributor royalties.

Well, considering that they haven't raise the contributor commissions for about 10 years, while raising the price of subscriptions, you may say that they have somewhat reduced the royalties.

In the past, when SS raised the price of the subscription plans, they usually raised the amount paid per download.

Plus, they seriously dropped the price of the Extended Licenses. A couple years back we would get $28 and now it's rare for them to get to the $20 mark.

I'm pretty sure that they also changed the requirements from which a buyer had to buy an EL, like the number of prints. Many sales that would have required an EL and for which you would receive $28, now you receive $0.38 or less depending on your rank because of the more permissive license.

So yes, they have been reducing the royalties.
I agree that returns have dropped by staying stagnant, because of inflation, but I haven't seen any drop in RPD over the years, actually the opposite (though not enough of an increase in recent years to offset inflation as mentioned).
I had forgotten about the EL thing though. I wonder how things will look re. RPD by the end of this year?
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 10, 2018, 13:11
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: temis on July 10, 2018, 15:32
yes, shutterstock is replacing istock as an agency everyone loves to hate.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: DallasP on July 10, 2018, 16:30
Some people were probably complaining here while they were uploading.  Many of us stopped uploading, deleted images and eventually closed our accounts.  That was the only way to hurt istock and at least make the other sites give us a bit more respect.

I understand what you are saying, but even in small companies people can't get a few dozen workers, who know and see each other every single day, united on a common goal.

How would you expect a mass organized action based on MSG alone where only a small fraction of photographers come, on a global scale, between people that have never met, have absolutely different goals (professional/amateurs), different income expectations where some nee 3000Ä to live and others are kings with 500Ä, different points of view on the subject, etc.

The only way to change an agency politics on this type of business is to threaten their income through competition. Or have the means to launch a persistent major campaign worldwide. And have the money to fight the agency lawyers who will try to sue you for defamation.

I don't know ... there's quite a bit of power here on the MSG.

Anyone remember Dollar Photo Club?
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: stryjek on July 12, 2018, 11:30
i left istock 2 years ago , 15% was a joke , no wonder they get replaced
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: MysteryShot on July 12, 2018, 13:33
SS dead since July.1  :-X
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: cathyslife on July 12, 2018, 15:31
I donít hate them. In fact, right now I am loving them. I got a request for an extended license yesterday. My royalty is $100+. It is showing in my earnings, my fingers are crossed that it makes it to payout. I havenít seen an extended license for awhile. I am down to 2 sites...SS and Adobe. I am happy with both of them. Of course I would love it if I made a lot more $$, but thatís partly on me. I could work harder.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 12, 2018, 15:33
I really dont know where or what SS sell anymore??  the place is just returning less and less! one guy in Germany said there must be a severe server problem since dozens of German contributors havent seen any movement for 16 hours, same in Norway no movement at all bar one guy wh had 11 subs.

For me today even DP have produced more. Got to be something wrong???
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: cathyslife on July 12, 2018, 15:42
Yes, that is what I hate about people constantly complaining about a site. Their famous line is ďI am not going to be giving them any more of my images.Ē So the stock siteís business ethics are so disgusting that they will complain and complain and complain, but they will still let the site continue to stick it to them. They donít want to give up those pennies, because after all, a penny is better than nothing right? Even if they suck, right?
Which of the micros do you feel has overall good business ethics? (remembering that this is a microstock site, so don't name macros)
IMO, none of them.
And we all have shown that we each have different levels of what we are prepared to tolerate. Or different 'issues' make us more angry than others feel about that issue.


I think Adobe is doing a pretty decent job. Mat Hayward is always around to help, my royalties are mostly 3x more than any others have been (as in $.99 per image vs. say $.33.) Since Adobe bought Fotolia, there hasnít been any drama there, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 13, 2018, 00:15
Yes^Matt is a really nice guy known him for years and caring and the only one that comes here. However I doubt very much any Adobe admin or whatever is giving some elbow room!
Its quite clear that Fotolia is their sort of side-kick while they lay their concentration on much more "important" issues!
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Video-StockOrg on July 13, 2018, 01:14
Adobe Stock is actually in the low earners for me. Next to ishitty and Dissolve. I don't understand how could this be with over 12 thousands of video footage.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: cathyslife on July 13, 2018, 05:57
We are talking about overall good business ethics, not sales.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: stockastic on July 13, 2018, 10:10
I wish I could close my account again.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on July 13, 2018, 11:17
I've pretty much given up on uploading the rest of my archive of released images because they've gotten pretty ridiculous about minutia on the releases.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: cathyslife on July 13, 2018, 12:28
I wish I could close my account again.


Why canít you?
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: YadaYadaYada on July 13, 2018, 14:00
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

I have a friend also and he has many different day totals, all in the three figure, with hundreds a week.. How significant is someone getting two subs a day different, with 14 subs a day or 16 subs a day. Your old time friend needs to find something better to do with his time if he only makes 15 downloads a day at this point.

Maybe try construction workers with old style equipment or gears on a blue background? I hear those are best selling for some old timers.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: MicroVet on July 14, 2018, 00:17
Just had a perfect example of what I said earlier about SS and their absurd reviews.

Had a number of images rejected for similar, where each one was a variation of another image. I mean, different images where each one had a variation. Each variation not only has a different meaning it is also hard to make from the approved image by a designer.

So, I only got one approved of each and the variation rejected. At the same time I see tenths of images being approved that look like they are the exact same frame!

I really do not understand this.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 14, 2018, 00:35
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

I have a friend also and he has many different day totals, all in the three figure, with hundreds a week.. How significant is someone getting two subs a day different, with 14 subs a day or 16 subs a day. Your old time friend needs to find something better to do with his time if he only makes 15 downloads a day at this point.

Maybe try construction workers with old style equipment or gears on a blue background? I hear those are best selling for some old timers.

What a non constructive remark you come up with!  that week he still made 200 bucks and 4x200 bucks is still 800 bucks in a month! which I am sure is more then you make!
May I suggest you go and turn burgers at some mac outlet you will earn more then you do here!
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: namussi on July 14, 2018, 00:40
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

Precisely. But you've only shown us one week. So your case is rather weak.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Pauws99 on July 14, 2018, 01:25
Nice to see the old timers given a  boost to their earnings every now and again to keep them interested.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 14, 2018, 02:10
Nice to see the old timers given a  boost to their earnings every now and again to keep them interested.

Why Paws!  youre an oldie yourself by now! dont knock it! ;D
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 14, 2018, 02:15
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

Precisely. But you've only shown us one week. So your case is rather weak.

On going thing month after month! hardly any difference on patterns at all. Same with me although I have a bit more luck. My sales-pattern have been the same for over a year.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: namussi on July 14, 2018, 03:03
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

Precisely. But you've only shown us one week. So your case is rather weak.

On going thing month after month! hardly any difference on patterns at all. Same with me although I have a bit more luck. My sales-pattern have been the same for over a year.

But you're not publishing the numbers, are you?
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 14, 2018, 07:24
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

Precisely. But you've only shown us one week. So your case is rather weak.

On going thing month after month! hardly any difference on patterns at all. Same with me although I have a bit more luck. My sales-pattern have been the same for over a year.

But you're not publishing the numbers, are you?

what numbers? I showed his numbers, my numbers are a bit higher but the same patters, one gigantic day in the week followed by four extremely similar low numbers. Been like it for over a year now, exactly the same pattern. Im not alone you know there are total of over 50 of us always comparing in the end of the month! and the same thing....capped earnings for some of us!
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 14, 2018, 09:58
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

Precisely. But you've only shown us one week. So your case is rather weak.

On going thing month after month! hardly any difference on patterns at all. Same with me although I have a bit more luck. My sales-pattern have been the same for over a year.

But you're not publishing the numbers, are you?

what numbers? I showed his numbers, my numbers are a bit higher but the same patters, one gigantic day in the week followed by four extremely similar low numbers. Been like it for over a year now, exactly the same pattern. Im not alone you know there are total of over 50 of us always comparing in the end of the month! and the same thing....capped earnings for some of us!

I concur with that
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: namussi on July 14, 2018, 23:37
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

Precisely. But you've only shown us one week. So your case is rather weak.

On going thing month after month! hardly any difference on patterns at all. Same with me although I have a bit more luck. My sales-pattern have been the same for over a year.

But you're not publishing the numbers, are you?

what numbers? I showed his numbers, my numbers are a bit higher but the same patters, one gigantic day in the week followed by four extremely similar low numbers. Been like it for over a year now, exactly the same pattern. Im not alone you know there are total of over 50 of us always comparing in the end of the month! and the same thing....capped earnings for some of us!

I'm suspicious because you have had plenty of chances to be that specific in the past, but you never have. And you're not even showing your own numbers, you're showing someone else's.

Fishy.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: derek on July 15, 2018, 00:15
Could this be why they are disliked? showed to me by an old-timer friend!

Last week.  Monday:  172-00
                  Tuesday:     4.56
              Wednesday:    4.56
               Thursday:      5.32
               Friday:          5.32

Coincidence??  could be but not week after week after week!

Precisely. But you've only shown us one week. So your case is rather weak.

On going thing month after month! hardly any difference on patterns at all. Same with me although I have a bit more luck. My sales-pattern have been the same for over a year.

But you're not publishing the numbers, are you?

what numbers? I showed his numbers, my numbers are a bit higher but the same patters, one gigantic day in the week followed by four extremely similar low numbers. Been like it for over a year now, exactly the same pattern. Im not alone you know there are total of over 50 of us always comparing in the end of the month! and the same thing....capped earnings for some of us!

I'm suspicious because you have had plenty of chances to be that specific in the past, but you never have. And you're not even showing your own numbers, you're showing someone else's.

Fishy.

Yes its very fishy indeed!... ::)
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: Francisco on July 15, 2018, 22:32
I'm not seeing a lot of love for Shutterstock right now.
Their customer service is a  " >:("  For example, I've tried to ask for my own stats but they answer like robots. I hate that!
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: MicroVet on July 16, 2018, 00:20
I'm not seeing a lot of love for Shutterstock right now.
Their customer service is a  " >:("  For example, I've tried to ask for my own stats but they answer like robots. I hate that!

Contributor support is among the worse of all agencies. Slow and unhelpful most of the times. But to be honest it has always been like that since the beginning. A few years back it would have been the only thing I could point as a negative about SS.
Title: Re: Is Shutterstock replacing iStock as the agency everyone loves to hate?
Post by: aetb on July 16, 2018, 00:25
My revenue drop of 50% in 3 months on shutterstock...
What is happening ?!