Author Topic: Can't say anything negitive here - they are watching (Read 12863 times)

ss123 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2007, 16:23 »

There is no threat here.

I said if he was unhappy - he should leave.

Plain and simple.

furthermore - I'll pay him whatever is left in his account without a problem. This is not about money left in accounts.

Why would he keep selling through us if he felt as though we were ripping him off?

Jon Oringer

StockManiac · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2007, 16:48 »

Quote from: ss123 on April 20, 2007, 16:23

There is no threat here.

While you might not have meant it as a threat, it definitely could have been taken that way.

Especially when you stated: "I would like to remove your photos from Shutterstock."

leaf · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2007, 17:37 »

Thanks for stopping in Jon. It is nice to see your face here. It is also nice to hear both sides to the story.

maunger · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2007, 18:36 »

Quote from: StockManiac on April 20, 2007, 16:48

Quote from: ss123 on April 20, 2007, 16:23
There is no threat here.

While you might not have meant it as a threat, it definitely could have been taken that way.

Especially when you stated: "I would like to remove your photos from Shutterstock."

Let's be clear... take the entire thing in context (you've only highlighted part of the sentence)

"If you truly feel as though we are ripping you off (and that I am a twit), I would like to remove your photos from Shutterstock."

Jon is telling the client that if the client is unhappy, then Jon is unhappy and he'd prefer that the client remove his images.

I don't see it as a threat at all.

thesentinel · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2007, 01:46 »

Let's be clear.

He shouldn't have written anything at all.

chellyar · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2007, 03:14 »

Hi Jon...

Just a second 'thanks' for dropping in, I imagine you're quite a busy fella...

Also, I find this interesting, as I thought it was the DT thread that triggered this, I completely missed Rob's comment about SS/Jon in the other thread, even though I read it end to end..

Just goes to show you, we all read things through our own set of rose coloured glasses.

Now we're done with that, let's move along now, nothing left to see here...

edit: Typo

souper · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:45 »

hello all

I read this thread, My day job: art teacher for kindergartner and 1st graders...... the school I teach in has single sex classes, so it's all boys or all girls. The boys classes are much more difficult to deal with because the boys are constantly arguing.

So, this is the sort of argument I see all day, the following is a written dramatization of how I would handle this:

rob: Ms. G... Ms. G........ Jon threatened me!

Ms. G (that's me): What do you mean he threatened you?

rob: He threatened my livelihood!
please note rob has mustered up a tear.

Ms G:Jon come over here
Jon slowly walks over, with a sour look on his face.

as soon as Jon is close enough, rob start crying and wining:He threatened my livelyhood, it's not fair, i can say whatever I want

Ms. G: Jon..... Did you threaten Rob livelihood?

Jon:No.
he would say this kicking the dirt, looking down. then he would get very excited and add.
He called me a twit!

Rob: I did not..... I called you a bit of a twit, besides it's a free country and I can say whatever I want!

This is where I would get to the solution part...

First Rob, he is the easy one......

Ms. G: Rob, while yes, it is a free country. It's not nice to call someone that you have to be around a "twit". You can think or say whatever you like, but don't you think that you may hurt his feelings? Would you want someone to call you a "twit"? That is not what nice people do, and I know that you're a nice person, so I think you may owe him an apology. What do you think?

I would wait for it to sink in to Rob's head that he hurt Jon's feelings and that is why Jon reacted the way he did. And as I said, Rob is a nice person and probably didn't mean to hurt Jon's feelings with and off hand remark. He probably apologize and then go play.

Then I would have to have a more serious conversation with Jon. I would get down to his level and talk in low tones..... Because of his reaction to Rob I would know that Jon is a very sensitive person and reacts harshly.

Ms. G: Jon, I realize your feelings were hurt by what Rob said, it was insensitive of him. but, wiether you realize it or not you have power over Rob's livelihood, the boy needs to make a living. When you say things about deleting his portfolio, it's much more serious. I think you may have overreacted to this, and lashed out. As I say I know your feelings were hurt, but your reaction was way overboard and makes you look bad here on the playground. If the other boys and girls think that you are going to lord your power over them, and take their livelihoods away at the drop of a hat, they are not going to want to play with you anymore. As Spiderman says, "With great power comes great responsibility". I think you have to do two things here, first: apologize to Rob. Second: Do some long hard thinking about who you are and what power you have.

OK this has been a long post. And I am sure Rob and Jon are not pleased to be compared to Kindergartners.... but, my answer to that is, if you don't like being compared to Kindergartners, don't act like one.

(OH NO SHE DI-ENT......Oh , yes I did)

maunger · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2007, 07:51 »

Quote from: ienjoysoup on April 21, 2007, 06:45

So, this is the sort of argument I see all day, the following is a written dramatization of how I would handle this:

Boy, that puts in perspective for me

Maybe i'll start passing all my problems thru you and they'll all seem so much more simple heehee

Thanks for the post!

Nekros · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2007, 10:50 »

Couldn't have said it better....

Quote from: souper on April 21, 2007, 06:45

hello all

I read this thread, My day job: art teacher for kindergartner and 1st graders...... the school I teach in has single sex classes, so it's all boys or all girls. The boys classes are much more difficult to deal with because the boys are constantly arguing.

So, this is the sort of argument I see all day, the following is a written dramatization of how I would handle this:

rob: Ms. G... Ms. G........ Jon threatened me!

Ms. G (that's me): What do you mean he threatened you?

rob: He threatened my livelihood!
please note rob has mustered up a tear.

Ms G:Jon come over here
Jon slowly walks over, with a sour look on his face.

as soon as Jon is close enough, rob start crying and wining:He threatened my livelyhood, it's not fair, i can say whatever I want

Ms. G: Jon..... Did you threaten Rob livelihood?

Jon:No.
he would say this kicking the dirt, looking down. then he would get very excited and add.
He called me a twit!

Rob: I did not..... I called you a bit of a twit, besides it's a free country and I can say whatever I want!

This is where I would get to the solution part...

First Rob, he is the easy one......

Ms. G: Rob, while yes, it is a free country. It's not nice to call someone that you have to be around a "twit". You can think or say whatever you like, but don't you think that you may hurt his feelings? Would you want someone to call you a "twit"? That is not what nice people do, and I know that you're a nice person, so I think you may owe him an apology. What do you think?

I would wait for it to sink in to Rob's head that he hurt Jon's feelings and that is why Jon reacted the way he did. And as I said, Rob is a nice person and probably didn't mean to hurt Jon's feelings with and off hand remark. He probably apologize and then go play.

Then I would have to have a more serious conversation with Jon. I would get down to his level and talk in low tones..... Because of his reaction to Rob I would know that Jon is a very sensitive person and reacts harshly.

Ms. G: Jon, I realize your feelings were hurt by what Rob said, it was insensitive of him. but, wiether you realize it or not you have power over Rob's livelihood, the boy needs to make a living. When you say things about deleting his portfolio, it's much more serious. I think you may have overreacted to this, and lashed out. As I say I know your feelings were hurt, but your reaction was way overboard and makes you look bad here on the playground. If the other boys and girls think that you are going to lord your power over them, and take their livelihoods away at the drop of a hat, they are not going to want to play with you anymore. As Spiderman says, "With great power comes great responsibility". I think you have to do two things here, first: apologize to Rob. Second: Do some long hard thinking about who you are and what power you have.

OK this has been a long post. And I am sure Rob and Jon are not pleased to be compared to Kindergartners.... but, my answer to that is, if you don't like being compared to Kindergartners, don't act like one.

(OH NO SHE DI-ENT......Oh , yes I did)

ss123 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:02 »

Here is something that won't ever change: If you aren't happy at Shutterstock, then instead of running around complaining and calling names, leave. We do our best to make people happy - you should all know that by now. Of course, 100% of the clients won't be happy at 100% of the times - however, I take offense if you think we're ripping you off (and the twit part doesn't help). I would rather end a business relationship than have somebody be unhappy.

Here is something that can change: I don't have to participate here. If it bothers you guys - I won't post.

Jon Oringer

le_cyclope · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:10 »

Quote from: souper on April 21, 2007, 06:45

OK this has been a long post. And I am sure Rob and Jon are not pleased to be compared to Kindergartners.... but, my answer to that is, if you don't like being compared to Kindergartners, don't act like one.

(OH NO SHE DI-ENT......Oh , yes I did)

Ahhhhhhhhhhh,
What a refreshing way to go over it!!!

Thank you very much!

Claude

nruboc · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:26 »

Quote from: ss123 on April 21, 2007, 11:02

Here is something that won't ever change: If you aren't happy at Shutterstock, then instead of running around complaining and calling names, leave. We do our best to make people happy - you should all know that by now. Of course, 100% of the clients won't be happy at 100% of the times - however, I take offense if you think we're ripping you off (and the twit part doesn't help). I would rather end a business relationship than have somebody be unhappy.

Here is something that can change: I don't have to participate here. If it bothers you guys - I won't post.

Jon Oringer

Couldn't agree more - those who think 25 cents is a rip off, just don't understand the subscription model. As a designer, who first purchased a subscription to ShutterStock before submitting there, I downloaded ALOT of pictures (I maxed out). Of those pictures, I only actually used less than 5%. If I had to pay for each download (ala IStock), I would have only downloaded the ones I was 100% sure would work which would be about 95% fewer downloads.

Thanks for participating here, no bother at all, on the contrary it's good to know that the owners are actually following the contributors conversations

maunger · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:31 »

Quote from: ss123 on April 21, 2007, 11:02

Here is something that can change: I don't have to participate here. If it bothers you guys - I won't post.

Jon Oringer

Jon, I'd definately vote for your participation! Seeing both sides of an issue is important to me.

souper · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:36 »

Jon

it's great that you contribut here.....

it's great that you are interested.....

But you are being a bully. you have power over Rob and many others on this site because you control purse strings.......

and responding that we don't like it we can leave is evidence of that.

Truely I am sorry that you got offended by something someone said here, or anywhere... shutterstock is a great site.......

All you needed to say was that you are offended, by threating him..... you are being a bully. PLAY NICE IN THE SAND BOX!

I did mention I teach art ..... not english right? *wink wink*

berryspun · « **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:41 »

Quote from: ss123 on April 21, 2007, 11:02

Here is something that can change: I don't have to participate here. If it bothers you guys - I won't post.

Jon Oringer

I also would like to thank you Jon for explaining your point of view.

I'm not the owner of this site, just a contributor, but I'm sure that the same approach you have concerning your site would apply here: you're definitely right when you say that you don't have to participate. But if you are happy to do it, please do continue. Transparency, constructive criticism, and helping each other - whether as photographers or site administrators or both - is what I like here, and your contribution is definitely appreciated.

souper · « **Reply #41 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:52 »

I agree you should be offened by what he said..... I am not arguing that.

It's the: "You don't like it you can leave"

Maybe he can't afford to, and he's going through a hard time, saying things he shouldn't because he is upset about his money situation........ be the better man here Jon, put yourself in his shoes.

I get the feeling that you have at some point been in the "I have no money, what the heck am I going to do?" shoes, and maybe you reacted badly to something.

Read_My_Rights · « **Reply #42 on:** April 21, 2007, 12:48 »

Souper is super. Nicely done.

KiwiRob · « **Reply #43 on:** April 21, 2007, 13:18 »

Crickey this thread is going on a bit isn't it. Personally I wouldn't be offended at someone calling me a twit, there are far worse things to be called.

All I wanted with this post was to bring to peoples attention that things said here can have an impact on you. If you want to be controversial use an alter, it's safer.

The offending post has been deleted, I guess at the request of Jon.

nruboc · « **Reply #44 on:** April 21, 2007, 14:58 »

Quote from: KiwiRob on April 21, 2007, 13:18

Crickey this thread is going on a bit isn't it. Personally I wouldn't be offended at someone calling me a twit, there are far worse things to be called.

All I wanted with this post was to bring to peoples attention that things said here can have an impact on you. If you want to be controversial use an alter, it's safer.

The offending post has been deleted, I guess at the request of Jon.

You are a twit, for carrying on about how ShutterStock is ripping you off when you have no concept of subscription sites... now this thread can end

madelaide · « **Reply #45 on:** April 21, 2007, 17:24 »

Great post, Souper. I laughed a lot because it applies to so many daily situations at work, in family and in any forum I take part

Quote from: nruboc on April 21, 2007, 11:26

Couldn't agree more - those who think 25 cents is a rip off, just don't understand the subscription model. As a designer, who first purchased a subscription to ShutterStock before submitting there, I downloaded ALOT of pictures (I maxed out). Of those pictures, I only actually used less than 5%. If I had to pay for each download (ala IStock), I would have only downloaded the ones I was 100% sure would work which would be about 95% fewer downloads.

I understand the subscription model, I just prefer not to sell a high res image for 25c. I prefer that you buy only the ones you are 100% sure would work, and if mine is one of them, great.

Regards,
Adelaide

nruboc · « **Reply #46 on:** April 21, 2007, 17:50 »

Quote from: madelaide on April 21, 2007, 17:24

I understand the subscription model, I just prefer not to sell a high res image for 25c. I prefer that you buy only the ones you are 100% sure would work, and if mine is one of them, great.

Regards,
Adelaide

I assume you're in the process of deleting your files from Dreamstime - they have a 25 cent subscription plan as well.

leaf · « **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2007, 18:46 »

ok ok.. perhaps this thread has reached it saturation point.

Thanks everyone for coming out to play

I think there was valid points made from both sides, and yes Jon i think 99% of the people here if not all appreciate your input so I hope you stay and give feedback once in a while.

-> kiwirob : Jon didn't ask the post to be removed but after it caused such a stir and was more 'insults' than opinion I decided to remove it.

allright - playground closed.

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