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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: luissantos84 on July 29, 2013, 16:20
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just seen this at Paul Mercher's FB page
http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/picfair-launches-as-marketplace-to-license-images/s2/a553641/ (http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/picfair-launches-as-marketplace-to-license-images/s2/a553641/)
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Just had a look and signed up. Seems pretty cool. Interesting that there are no advertising usages allowed, just editorial. You set the price and keep 100% of the sale. The buyer pays your asking price plus a 10% fee and a small processing charge. The upload functionality at this point looks to be only one image at a time tho.
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Looks interesting.
Looks like an RM editorial licence, but I can't see the terms RM or RF; probably right under my nose somewhere.
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interesting interview as well
http://youtu.be/xhGWc21m0FM (http://youtu.be/xhGWc21m0FM)
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Looks interesting.
Looks like an RM editorial licence, but I can't see the terms RM or RF; probably right under my nose somewhere.
Not really RF or RM. The buyer is allowed to use the image for one project only, unlimited print run and size.
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So everyone jumps into this one, including the happy snappy camera phone bunch...? So they will have 500 000 000 pictures by the end of the year and no one will be able to search through all the crap to find a decent picture? :-\
PS Thanx for the interesting post Luis.
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v interesting interview - he does bag out iS and SS as being "boring", can't say I agree with that. i wonder how much junk his site will be flooded with, plus the inappropriate keywording that inevitably happens, rendering the search useless.
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why doesn't Instagram just add a 'buy this' option?
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the 100% royalties do look good, I see a better collection comparing to the usual mobile agencies but still soon to drop any conclusion, for now its just a new marketplace, I will follow their "progress"
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The license seems similar to "editorial", images cannot be used for advertising.
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it's not our concern, cos we know better :), but the average person may not understand they can't sell commercial images of other people with a MR, and it's not explained very well on the site.
modify: oh, really? i'll have to read a bit more closely then.
modify: ah, when you click to purchase the info is there. big, bold text in yellow highlights no less. (google could learn something from these guys)
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"PicFair users create an account and upload images, setting the price as they see fit. Visitors to the site do not need to sign up and can buy a licence for the image directly through the page. PicFair takes 10 per cent commission on top of the image price and Stripe, the PayPal alternative used by PicFair, charge 3.3 per cent plus 30 pence per purchase."
Whoop de doo. Another stock agency that bypasses the need for model release or quality checks because it is "editorial", just like Scoopshot.
"In what PicFair's founder Benji Lanyado describes as "three clicks" for copyright holders between signing up and putting images on the market"
Really? Which of those clicks is responsible for adding keywords so the image can be found?
"For decades, image licensing has been controlled by multinational agencies, who take copyright from photographers, and the lion's share of the royalties."
I don't know any agency that takes copyright from a photographer.
"Picfair has one licence to rule them all"
There's absolutely nothing original or unique here. The license agreement specifies one use only - no big deal, you can specify whatever you like when you make your own license. Do it for your Symbiostock license. Specify whatever you like. Besides, there's already micros that specify you must buy another license for each use.
All micros have one license, plus additional licenses if you need the flexibility. How is restricting opportunities for the buyer to spend money for what they want, good?
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guess it is 3 clicks to license a picture
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plus hundred keystrokes to type some keywords. The software can't read the keywords in the image file.
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"For decades, image licensing has been controlled by multinational agencies, who take copyright from photographers, and the lion's share of the royalties."
I don't know any agency that takes copyright from a photographer.
Well, technically some agencies don't take the copyrights from photographers, but they remove the EXIF data, including photographer's name and copyright notice.
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No ftp upload, or I missed it?
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Interesting. Could be a huge success, and could be a flop. Certainly worth keeping an eye on. If the site really does not read IPTC, I would bet on the "flop" side.
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by the way, who's gonna stop scammers from selling pirated photos on PicFair ?
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why doesn't Instagram just add a 'buy this' option?
legal and copyright reasons.
for starters they've no idea who the uploaders are and if they legally own the photos, not to mention the lack of model/property releases and all the other eventual scams, it would be a can of worms for FB and they didnt bought Instagram for that.
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why doesn't Instagram just add a 'buy this' option?
legal and copyright reasons.
for starters they've no idea who the uploaders are and if they legally own the photos, not to mention the lack of model/property releases and all the other eventual scams, it would be a can of worms for FB and they didnt bought Instagram for that.
Yet, you have this site, that appears to inherently trust random unknown twitter users:
http://www.pdnonline.com/news/Startup-Aims-to-Make-8462.shtml?utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=42155636&utm_term=96312&utm_content (http://www.pdnonline.com/news/Startup-Aims-to-Make-8462.shtml?utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=42155636&utm_term=96312&utm_content)
All these little startups that seem to miss the point that the reason buyers shop at established locations or with known photographers, is to avoid any legal issues. Otherwise, they might as well just grab stuff from google.
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Whoop de doo. Another stock agency that bypasses the need for model release or quality checks because it is "editorial", just like Scoopshot...
My thought exactly. These companies keep taking shots at Shutterstock, istock, Getty, etc., in their pitches but really they are not offering a real alternative. Last I heard, non-editorial content was still outselling editorial by a large margin, because that's what people need. If nothing on PicFair can be used in advertising, it's pretty useless for a lot of buyers.
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Whoop de doo. Another stock agency that bypasses the need for model release or quality checks because it is "editorial", just like Scoopshot...
My thought exactly. These companies keep taking shots at Shutterstock, istock, Getty, etc., in their pitches but really they are not offering a real alternative. Last I heard, non-editorial content was still outselling editorial by a large margin, because that's what people need. If nothing on PicFair can be used in advertising, it's pretty useless for a lot of buyers.
The editorial market is looking so over supplied and lacking in demand its not worth looking at
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I'll probably give them a go. Alamy do OK with editorial and I'm sure Getty do much better. I'm interested in sites that aren't the same as the ones we already have.
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Agree with sharpshot
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If someone can figure out how to cover the legal issues on a platform like this, that's a goldmine. They need to work releases into the system. Like you snap a photo on your phone and you can immediately get a digitally-signed release on the spot from any person in the photo. Although even that has it's issues. I'm not sure what the answer is, but what I've seen so far doesn't solve any problems or introduce anything game-changing.
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Huge preview images with the watermark virtually invisible. Who needs to buy anything from them if you can simply download the image at a useful size?
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All these little startups that seem to miss the point that the reason buyers shop at established locations or with known photographers, is to avoid any legal issues. Otherwise, they might as well just grab stuff from google.
for startups it's a non-issue actually, their only goal is to be sold for a profit, they will not be the ones responsible for any legal troubles.
and if we look at Pinterest i haven't heard of any big fat lawsuit against them, quite the opposite many photographers are into it to promote their images, they see it on par with posting lowres cr-ap on FB.
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I'm not sure what the answer is, but what I've seen so far doesn't solve any problems or introduce anything game-changing.
agree, but I can't help but think this is a stepping stone to whatever is coming next, and we can't quite predict what that will be. (except for Yuri ::) )
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20+ on site and adding more almost every day. Good views but no sales yet. Things should pick up for me anytime now.
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20+ on site and adding more almost every day. Good views but no sales yet. Things should pick up for me anytime now.
oh man please, how can you be so naive?
sorry to pick on you again but that is just non-sense, you can have hope but at this moment dreaming of licenses is crazy, don't hold your breath really, not that I wouldn't love to have 100% royalties but that looks like a statement from a 5 year old kid :o
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Thank what you will louis but it's now 32. I've run across an articl by a man who already has sales (or at least he said so). I have confidenc in Benji until i'm prove wrong. Then i'll admit i was wrong.
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Some sites you can upload thousands of images and nothing happens. There's always someone else that sells at least 1 image but that's meaningless. I hope this site is an exception to the usual new site disaster but I tend to expect the worst and then its a nice surprise if they do sell something.
I better upload something and start expecting nothing :)
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Thank what you will louis but it's now 32. I've run across an articl by a man who already has sales (or at least he said so). I have confidenc in Benji until i'm prove wrong. Then i'll admit i was wrong.
you still haven't understood it, you can have 10k pictures at PicFair, I have agencies that I have over 5k pictures and they don't even license a picture per month, like my mother says, you need to eat a lot of "cereal" to grow up, in this case you need to have a few years in microstock to understand that just because the owner is a cool guy with a new agency paying fair royalties doesn't mean it will make you any money, most certainty it won't, at this moment you can only hope
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remember allyoucanstock?
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this recent boom in fly by night companies trying to monetize mobile cr-ap snapshots is ridicolous, they're totally downplaying how difficult is to sell and licence images nowadays !
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So we should automatically reject every new site and stick with the old ones that have been so good to us? I don't mind new sites that try something different. There's been a few that have been worth the effort. Its usually quite easy to see the ones that have absolutely no chance. I'll wait and see on this one, it could be another waste of time but I think there's a slim chance it could have some success.
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So we should automatically reject every new site and stick with the old ones that have been so good to us? I don't mind new sites that try something different. There's been a few that have been worth the effort. Its usually quite easy to see the ones that have absolutely no chance. I'll wait and see on this one, it could be another waste of time but I think there's a slim chance it could have some success.
What is the last agency to start up that had some success? DP? 2009
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So we should automatically reject every new site and stick with the old ones that have been so good to us? I don't mind new sites that try something different. There's been a few that have been worth the effort. Its usually quite easy to see the ones that have absolutely no chance. I'll wait and see on this one, it could be another waste of time but I think there's a slim chance it could have some success.
What is the last agency to start up that had some success? DP? 2009
DP quickly sold more for me than DT. Pond5 as a photo newcomer is selling quite well and have a good attitude.
All those guys trying to undermine the startup of new marketing concept and sites:
a) haven`t properly analyzed the history of microstock (which was himself a new startup concept challenging estableshed sites like getty)
b) potentially boycotting the exit of the big 4 treadmill
c) most probably are simply too lazy to get things done over and over or some sort of disillusioned by the market. Really sad, eh?
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c) most probably are simply too lazy to get things done over and over or some sort of disillusioned by the market. Really sad, eh?
man, there's a new startup dealing with monetizing mobile snapshots almost everyday on TechCrunch or VentureBeat ... reading about yet another startup is absolutely no big deal ...
as far as i can see the only one that made it is Demotix after being bought by Corbis, they also pay well, i've friends doing news/editorial and they sold a few pics that were published on major newspapers, the reportages they've online now are pretty good, decent quality no more trash like a few years ago and they have to as Corbis only picks maybe 10% of the new images posted there.
now, it's not a matter of being sad, but of being realistic.
look at Flickr, HotShots, Instagram, Pinterest .. none of them managed to sell the cr-ap they're hosting for free, why should we be excited about a new startup promising to sell crowdsourced images ? been there, done that.
disillusioned by the market ? excuse me, WHAT market are you talking about ?
i don't see any market so far about random mobile images, we've microstock and we've macrostock and we've PoD sites but they're all targeting pros, semi-pros, designers, and publishers.
i don't see any market for common buyers, they just don't buy !
they like to share and download for free, yes indeed and by the millions but try asking them 0.5$ and they quickly disappear.
these potential buyers eventually by merchandising on PoD sites, but not the single image.
and PoD sites are not a big market either.
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So we should automatically reject every new site and stick with the old ones that have been so good to us? I don't mind new sites that try something different. There's been a few that have been worth the effort. Its usually quite easy to see the ones that have absolutely no chance. I'll wait and see on this one, it could be another waste of time but I think there's a slim chance it could have some success.
I agree, we need to support new fair agencies, I do that all the time, I have 30 pics at PicFair, my point was regarding Dan's comment, having 32 pictures doesn't mean anything so he can't expect sales anytime soon because of that, that is naive and shows a very low experience in terms of stock agencies progress
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So we should automatically reject every new site and stick with the old ones that have been so good to us? I don't mind new sites that try something different. There's been a few that have been worth the effort. Its usually quite easy to see the ones that have absolutely no chance. I'll wait and see on this one, it could be another waste of time but I think there's a slim chance it could have some success.
I agree, we need to support new fair agencies, I do that all the time, I have 30 pics at PicFair, my point was regarding Dan's comment, having 32 pictures doesn't mean anything so he can't expect sales anytime soon because of that, that is naive and shows a very low experience in terms of stock agencies progress
Didn't Dan already confide in the forum that he was new and inexperienced?
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So we should automatically reject every new site and stick with the old ones that have been so good to us? I don't mind new sites that try something different. There's been a few that have been worth the effort. Its usually quite easy to see the ones that have absolutely no chance. I'll wait and see on this one, it could be another waste of time but I think there's a slim chance it could have some success.
I agree, we need to support new fair agencies, I do that all the time, I have 30 pics at PicFair, my point was regarding Dan's comment, having 32 pictures doesn't mean anything so he can't expect sales anytime soon because of that, that is naive and shows a very low experience in terms of stock agencies progress
Didn't Dan already confide in the forum that he was new and inexperienced?
I am doing what you call "open eyes", sure he is new and inexperienced but that doesn't mean you need to be naive thinking that agencies with 15 days will be number 1 "tomorrow" because you have now 32 pictures with them
on the poll results (right below CanStockPhoto ad) we have examples of agencies that exist for over 5 years and pay fair royalties but the action is close to zero, we can all dream a little but not too much or the disappointment will be even bigger
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here's an example of what's selling on 500px.com :
http://500px.com/market/just_sold (http://500px.com/market/just_sold)
basically the same stuff sold on PoD sites, with less focus on dogs and cats and more on HDR landscape and architecture.
i think the whole page contains the entire sales made in the last 2-3 months as i remember a few in the bottom of the pages from my last check long time ago.
my opinion, not a place for stockers but good potential for Flickrs.
i don't see many sales from the same guys, guess they're lucky to make ONE single sale at all.
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c) most probably are simply too lazy to get things done over and over or some sort of disillusioned by the market. Really sad, eh?
man, there's a new startup dealing with monetizing mobile snapshots almost everyday on TechCrunch or VentureBeat ... reading about yet another startup is absolutely no big deal ...
I haven`t said you should not filter out which ones you are interested in. I just reject those statements which just say: "naaaahhhh, not another one it won`t make it anyway"
as far as i can see the only one that made it is Demotix after being bought by Corbis, they also pay well, i've friends doing news/editorial and they sold a few pics that were published on major newspapers, the reportages they've online now are pretty good, decent quality no more trash like a few years ago and they have to as Corbis only picks maybe 10% of the new images posted there.
Thanks for the hint. I didn`t knew them.
disillusioned by the market ? excuse me, WHAT market are you talking about ?
i don't see any market so far about random mobile images, we've microstock and we've macrostock and we've PoD sites but they're all targeting pros, semi-pros, designers, and publishers.
I talk about the image licensing market. No matter which clients their are after. I just wanna make money ;-)
i don't see any market for common buyers, they just don't buy !
they like to share and download for free, yes indeed and by the millions but try asking them 0.5$ and they quickly disappear.
Yes, this is what is my biggest concern at the moment. I cannot see any solution to that neither….
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Yes, this is what is my biggest concern at the moment. I cannot see any solution to that neither….
monetizing mobile snapshots is a solution waiting for a problem !
all these startups claim to have found a magical recipe for making money out of free images that people post on social networks but where's the proof for that ?
i mean, so far i see NOT a single startup who managed to properly being successful in this business.
before i mentioned Demotix but they're in the business of selling news/editorial images to rich publishers and media companies, it's nothing new actually and it's a business that was there since the beginning of photography.
what's new is they're allowing random freelancers to upload images in real time and sell them thru Corbis.
but it would be like comparing apples and oranges, Demotix has nothing to do with Flickr or ScoopShot or 500px or Pixfair or FotoMoto, completely different markets.
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Yes, this is what is my biggest concern at the moment. I cannot see any solution to that neither….
monetizing mobile snapshots is a solution waiting for a problem !
all these startups claim to have found a magical recipe for making money out of free images that people post on social networks but where's the proof for that ?
i mean, so far i see NOT a single startup who managed to properly being successful in this business.
before i mentioned Demotix but they're in the business of selling news/editorial images to rich publishers and media companies, it's nothing new actually and it's a business that was there since the beginning of photography.
what's new is they're allowing random freelancers to upload images in real time and sell them thru Corbis.
but it would be like comparing apples and oranges, Demotix has nothing to do with Flickr or ScoopShot or 500px or Pixfair or FotoMoto, completely different markets.
One substantial problem I see nowadays is part of the infrastructure of the internet itself: everything is free and actually pay for things is not that easy: making accounts, paying with credit cards, administrating your account data, security concerns, paypal violating laws of many countries and abusing its power etc. It should be far easier. There should be sort of a payment system be incorporated into the very basic structure of the net itself which allows easy, fast, cheap and affordless payments. One click should be enough. For all content. In return prices should drop imho. Ff almost everyone pays for content it will compensate. Upload and share a nice photo for your friends on FB - 5 cent. Use this nice photo for your public blog - 10 cent. Use this photo on your business site - 10 dollar.
This problem not only concerns us as producers. It is a very basic and unaddressed problem of the net. I would love to be able to stream movies legally and watch it on the net...but: netflix is not available in my country. Itunes is friggin expensive. Others don`t have enough etc. etc. Same goes for music. Or it is DRM spoiled. Business should be able to put their content securely online and charge for it without big problems and clients should be able to access content easily without having to deal with country limitations (netflix, payal), impossibilities to pay (in my country only 1 out of 10 has a CC), distrust of security etc.
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everyone agree on that, but so far nobody managed to succeed, even google has its Google Checkout but how many are using it ? as far as i see only c/c and paypal are accepted universally and that's a disgrace.
my feeling is if something's gonna chance it can only start from mobile/smartphones, not on the desktop.
however, there are too many different laws even inside the EU and the USA, they will never find a compromise, too much money at stake and too many middlemen to feed.
now they're scared by the rise of virtual currencies like BitCoin, well i say this could be a good alternative for digital products at least and also for a few service like buying hosting or domains etc
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Just spoke to Benji of PicFair on the phone monday. was trying to buy pic. Seems my security code on my bank ard was giving a prolem. Trying to get it straighten out. He was very helpfull and patient. Couldn't ask for better service.
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Make that thousands of sites where you can upload thousands of images, and nothing will happen.
Hey, I sold one image on FOAP = it's the next big thing ::) I'm just waiting for the avalanche of eager buyers to discover the place.
(honestly, it's a waste of time, just like someone wrote when I first said I was joining...) I don't know why Scoopshot will be different and Yuri hasn't answered on the forum or the PM, asking him, why he feels it's going to be different from all the rest of the phone/news/and citizen journalist sites that have come and gone?
Some sites you can upload thousands of images and nothing happens. There's always someone else that sells at least 1 image but that's meaningless. I hope this site is an exception to the usual new site disaster but I tend to expect the worst and then its a nice surprise if they do sell something.
I better upload something and start expecting nothing :)
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this recent boom in fly by night companies trying to monetize mobile cr-ap snapshots is ridicolous, they're totally downplaying how difficult is to sell and licence images nowadays !
I think that covers it. Parasites working off the hopes, dreams and efforts of artists who are desperate enough to take peanuts and spare change, or anything, so make some money. Desperation is not a good way to approach an independent photo business and income. Promises cost the FBN agencies nothing, and some can make some money before they shrink away.
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this recent boom in fly by night companies trying to monetize mobile cr-ap snapshots is ridicolous, they're totally downplaying how difficult is to sell and licence images nowadays !
I think that covers it. Parasites working off the hopes, dreams and efforts of artists who are desperate enough to take peanuts and spare change, or anything, so make some money. Desperation is not a good way to approach an independent photo business and income. Promises cost the FBN agencies nothing, and some can make some money before they shrink away.
my impression is there are far too many self-appointed "artists" nowadays and very few serious buyers, the supply/demand ratio is incredibly unbalanced.
as much as they delude themselves thinking that nowadays "anyone is a photographer" because they use some psycadelic filter on Instagram the reality is that we're flooded by zillions of cr-ap snapshots all looking the same and their net worth is zero unless it's about celebrities or a news scoop and even in that case the random user will have no clue on how to sell it and monetize it.
so many people can't sleep at night trying to figure out how to monetize this ocean of semi-free content available online but guess what, there's just no demand for it, not enough buyers.
millions of people chat on facebook, but so what ? go in every bar and there's people chatting as well, but the only ones monetizing their social activity is the barman selling them a beer !
look at emal .. Gmail is barely making any profit despite showing ads and paid links.
zillions of emails per day, billions of users, and yet it's barely staying afloat.
now, where are these superduper business models monetizing user generated content ? i don't see many despite the whole mumbo jumbo we read on the mainstream media.
we can read about the few dozen "Instagram photo stars", the "twitter kings", and other journalistic BS, but these guys are a lucky bunch, maybe the 0.0001% elite who for whatever unplanned coincidence gathered a huge audience of followers and have a chance to make some money out of it, but for how long ?
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there are far too many self-appointed "artists" nowadays and very few serious buyers, the supply/demand ratio is incredibly unbalanced.
That summarizes it quite well.
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there are far too many self-appointed "artists" nowadays and very few serious buyers, the supply/demand ratio is incredibly unbalanced.
That summarizes it quite well.
well, buyers want value for money, but there's very little value in most of the stuff we see on FB, instagram, flickr, twitter ... no matter if the "artists" think otherwise.
if nobody is buying that cr-ap it means its value is zero and artists will make no money with that and therefore they're just hobbyists at best, that's the moral of the story.
they would be worthless snapshots even without all the filters and photoshopping, the same cr-ap was being shot when i was a kid with polaroids and no one ever dreamed it could have any market value.
for whatever silly reason now "retro" is fashionable but it's just a fad and it won't last long, i mean the only ones raving about it are the artists and the art galleries so there's an obvious conflict of interest.
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I do find it funny that I used a Lomo and Lubitel camera in the 80's, when they were dirt cheap but now they cost a lot and are still as bad as they were then. I don't think its a fad though. I've seen images in use that have that Lomo look for many years now. Things like cross processing were being used for commercial work decades ago. Can't get more retro than black and white and that's never really gone out of fashion.
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I do find it funny that I used a Lomo and Lubitel camera in the 80's, when they were dirt cheap but now they cost a lot and are still as bad as they were then. I don't think its a fad though. I've seen images in use that have that Lomo look for many years now. Things like cross processing were being used for commercial work decades ago. Can't get more retro than black and white and that's never really gone out of fashion.
the sad thing is that young people love Retro because they're too young to remember old cameras and old computers, for us old farts it's nothing exciting, romantic maybe, but nothing new at all.
and why using cr-appy old gear when you can easily simulate it with PS ?
yeah i know, the vintage feeling of having old gear in your hands, like playing a vintage synth instead of a plastic modern one with USB and all.
but in the end it's old and obsolete and their place is in museums.
it would make more sense to see young people switch to medium formats using film instead of Polaroids, just my opinion of course.
what's all the fuss with polaroid and iphones ? to me it just looks like sh-it honestly.
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Picfair launches July 2013. How's it going? Did anyone figure out the licensing or terms yet? ???
It was like a wounded cow walking into the stream on another site, when someone announced they made their first sale for $16. My goodness, the piranhas are ready to take a bite of anything, they are so hungry.
So someone, anyone, Bueller... how's Picfair doing? You know it's the "Next Big Thing".
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had my 1st and only sale a few weeks ago, Benji is a down to earth cool guy, not much I can say beside that :)
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Picfair launches July 2013. How's it going? Did anyone figure out the licensing or terms yet? ???
It was like a wounded cow walking into the stream on another site, when someone announced they made their first sale for $16. My goodness, the piranhas are ready to take a bite of anything, they are so hungry.
So someone, anyone, Bueller... how's Picfair doing? You know it's the "Next Big Thing".
One person congratulated him, and another, me, asked if there were more sales. I dont think it was anything like you said it was. Or I a missing something.
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Like the crowd around a patent medicine salesman pitching their wares. It breeds interest. Hey look, someone bought a bottle. Look it must work, someone made a sale. Wow, this could be the next big thing.
People bought into the site for the discount. Has anything gone live, including the Beta?
Sure he might be a very nice guy. This is about business, not being nice. Deliver the product, not promises.
Ever throw pieces of dried bread into a pond? What happens? A swarm of little fish peck away at it, all rushing for any tidbit they can grab, before the others. Do you see the big fish in that picture? Nope, they eat the little fish for lunch and can't be bothered chasing at every new little bit of food that falls into the water.
New Agency! The flags go up, the forums buzz, people rush to sign up and upload their collections.
So tell me, how's this place doing? Are they selling anything? Does it fulfill it's claims and promises?
For that matter, how's Scoopshot doing? Anyone Foaping? Is there some kind of trend here that should be educational? What did people make on Scoopt before it went dark? LOL
Picfair launches July 2013. How's it going? Did anyone figure out the licensing or terms yet? ???
It was like a wounded cow walking into the stream on another site, when someone announced they made their first sale for $16. My goodness, the piranhas are ready to take a bite of anything, they are so hungry.
So someone, anyone, Bueller... how's Picfair doing? You know it's the "Next Big Thing".
One person congratulated him, and another, me, asked if there were more sales. I dont think it was anything like you said it was. Or I a missing something.
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I've cashed out 120.00. Maybe end of december will cash out again. So pretty good sales (at least for now).
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holy cow! for real? how many different pictures have you sold?
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I uploaded right after their announcement a few months ago about 100 images and priced them between £10-20. Didn't get too much action first, then about 50 of them were "starred" which lead to higher view count and produced in total over 800 views, but still no sales.
Some images (not mine) that are offered there for a £1 or £2 show hundreds of views and maybe they sell, but it seems to me that site visibility is still the main problem.
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I've cashed out 120.00. Maybe end of december will cash out again. So pretty good sales (at least for now).
How many images did you sell, at what price and which images from your portfolio if you dont mind me asking.
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Deleted. Sent email.
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write an email to Benji ([email protected]) I am sure he will reply quite fast
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Ron
Mostly the mailbox and butterfly and the water sprays. Each were just a couple dollars. So about 70 sme photos.
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Ron
Mostly the mailbox and butterfly and the water sprays. Each were just a couple dollars. So about 70 sme photos.
You sold 70 photos? Thats impressive.
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Is the $2.00 image price the success recipe?
Anybody else got any sales there? And at what price level?
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I'm trying to figure out the license... Picfair's license is for one use only, not quite RF... does this mean I can upload my Alamy "L" images...
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Is the $2.00 image price the success recipe?
Anybody else got any sales there? And at what price level?
have mine at 5 pounds, 1 sale only!
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Is the $2.00 image price the success recipe?
Anybody else got any sales there? And at what price level?
have mine at 5 pounds, 1 sale only!
Your images are too good. You need cropped off subjects and tilted horizons to make sales there
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;D ;D ;D
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Is the $2.00 image price the success recipe?
Anybody else got any sales there? And at what price level?
have mine at 5 pounds, 1 sale only!
Your images are too good. You need cropped off subjects and tilted horizons to make sales there
Thanks for the tip, Ron! And I was worried that it was my own picture in the profile.
Just to see if the price is the main factor on this site, I'll add a set of different pics at lower prices, and will report next year the outcome.
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I'm trying to figure out the license... Picfair's license is for one use only, not quite RF... does this mean I can upload my Alamy "L" images...
I was wondering about the license to and just emailed Benji asking if it was an issue uploading images that are RF on the other sites. What are you guys doing? Just uploading your normal microstock (RF) images? Regards, David.
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Ron
Actually it was 78 pics sold. All but 1 was $1.00. It added up to $120 since they started. Was gonna let it run till last of year but needed emergency money.
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OK, well I signed up yesterday and now have twenty or so images up -all priced at £10 so I'll see how that goes. For anyone interested I wrote a blog post (link below -the photo one not the travel one!) about my initial experience with the site. There's some detailed comment from Benji at the end concerning the points I raised in my post. Worth mentioning here though is that it is not just Editorial licenses being offered (as some have said in this thread) -various commercial uses are also allowed, which I hadn't realised. Regards, David.
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had no idea about the commercial uses, can you tell us more?
just saw the comment on your blog! ;)
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had no idea about the commercial uses, can you tell us more?
just saw the comment on your blog! ;)
Probaly "promotional uses" would have been a better choice of words e.g. you can use images in brochures for products and services and email marketing etc but not for external paid for advertising/packaging etc.
Here's a link to their license page with fuller details:
https://www.picfair.com/LicenseeAgreement (https://www.picfair.com/LicenseeAgreement)
Kind regards, David.
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my only concern, which I have been discussing with Benji is regarding submitting RM content (from Alamy, not exclusive) at PicFair, need to understand if that is 100% safe or not
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my only concern, which I have been discussing with Benji is regarding submitting RM content (from Alamy, not exclusive) at PicFair, need to understand if that is 100% safe or not
I wouldn't know the answer Luis as I'm not on Alamy myself (unless Yay have finally got around to shipping my images over under their year old partner deal -lol). I expect some of the Alamites here could help -or why not just email support at Alamy to be sure there are no issues? Kind regards, David.
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yeah I will do that
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Today I've tried to upload some photos and I've recieved this message:
"You've hit your upload limit of 210 pics. In order to upload more, you'll need to delete existing images from your profile. Thank you."
.......... ::)
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Today I've tried to upload some photos and I've recieved this message:
"You've hit your upload limit of 210 pics. In order to upload more, you'll need to delete existing images from your profile. Thank you."
.......... ::)
email Benji, I am sure he will reply in a few minutes
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To those already uploading...
Does the website have an FTP, or a multi-upload feature? Does it read metadata or does each image need to be uploaded and keyworded individually.
I'm new to the site, so perhaps I just have not found this yet.
Thanks for the help.
Cheers,
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no, no and no
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Sold my first image on PicFair.
Support Benji, send him some images.
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Sold my first image on PicFair.
Support Benji, send him some images.
Congatulations Les! Can I ask what sort of price point the one that sold was? I remember you said you were going to try out various prices to see how they went. I've been uploading for several months now -with everything at a flat £10 price. So far, just the one sale -in my first couple of weeks of uploading. I see that a lot of people are pricing their images really low making mine look "expensive"! There isn't a bulk price change facility yet, otherwise I might try a few experiments on pricing. Regards, David.
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Thank you, David!
I have priced my images anywhere from 2£ to 20£. The one that sold was 5£.
Below 10£, I don't think the price is a problem, but it seems that the site doesn't get too many visits yet (except some images that were featured somewhere else and linked back to Picfair).
> Edited Euros to £.
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Thank you, David!
I have priced my images anywhere from 2Euro to 20Euro. The one that sold was 5Euro.
Below 10Euro, I don't think the price is a problem, but it seems that the site doesn't get too many visits yet (except some images that were featured somewhere else and linked back to Picfair).
Thanks Les. I guess we need a few more sales to see if price is a factor but I would agree that 10 euro (or £) shouldn't be too much to put off buyers (even with the Picfair fee added on top). Twitter seems to be a major source of a lot of the visits at the moment -not necessarily buyers of course.
Good luck with your future sales! Regards, David.
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Maybe I've been dozing - but any sign that ftp / metadata happening?
Looking for new options that DO have ftp/metadata reading but DO NOT have F and T in their initials!
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Any interest this agency could have crumbles when the small and almost invisible watermark is seen over such a huge preview.
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Maybe I've been dozing - but any sign that ftp / metadata happening?
Looking for new options that DO have ftp/metadata reading but DO NOT have F and T in their initials!
Just received an e-mail saying:
We're very excited to introduce our new bulk uploader - meaning you can now upload 10 pics at a time! It also reads IPTC data (this is pre-added metadata like titles, tags and captions), so the whole uploading process has just got a lot easier!
Unfortunately I am a lot less excited than them, as I wouldn't call "10 pics at a time" bulk.
I guess I'll wait for FTP, possibly forever.
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Actually, 10 pics at a time is a great improvement, but the main thing is that they added the ability to read the IPTC data.
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Actually, 10 pics at a time is a great improvement, but the main thing is that they added the ability to read the IPTC data.
In fact, I appreciate the improvement, but still I think FTP would make it easier to upload large ports.
PicFair could be the agency we were looking for - see other threads about choosing an agency to sustain:
83% to the photographer / 17% to the agency is very fair (no matter they say 100% to the photographer, it's not; but still very acceptable);
compared to symbiostock, it's much easier to use (no WordPress themes that break easily) and especially it's a unique cost centre for buyers - we can't ask buyers to register to each and every site;
I will gladly start to promote PicFair as soon as they are ready.
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Can someone experienced tellhow much are earnings here? i would like some numbers (like n.pic/earnings).... not just "good" "not good" "fair" :)
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10 image uploader is better but still a mission for ports over 1000+.
Will hold off and await an FTP option.
I feel this is a site that will look after us and i'll gladly get my port behind them once they get a more streamlined upload option.
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I joined them today after reading a press review of them.
Just put this in Google and you would get the news piece. Article which is at TechCrunch.
Picfair Raises $520K To Take On Getty With An Image Marketplace
To me, they seem copy of most photos as of now. I do not have success story to broadcast as of now. Looking forward to see the avenues where images can be sold.
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I uploaded a sample there. Some images got starred and that's it, no views at all.
I think it's great as long as you promote yourself and treat it like a symbiostock and not an agency.
I hope they improve and can attract buyers but for now you can't expect any regular sales.
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After 5 months I have zero sales (Total pics views: 350) so far. How are you doing here, guys?
Question to the owner - is there any chance that vertical images will be smaller? Now they are huge that it exceed my big monitor... The watermark is poor still and I'm waiting to upload hundreds of my images to you. Any hopes for changes?
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I had one sale. 10L
With 40 images and 400 views. The sales is one month ago.
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Question to the owner - is there any chance that vertical images will be smaller? Now they are huge that it exceed my big monitor... The watermark is poor still and I'm waiting to upload hundreds of my images to you. Any hopes for changes?
I wrote Benji an email about that issue but never got a reply...
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One £10 sale last month, 77 pics with 448 views.
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How does anyone edit images on Picfair? Is it even possible? How do I delete an image? *sigh*
edit: Oh, now I see an "edit" button under my image... I'm sure it wasn't there a moment ago... maybe a site/browser glitch? :o
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Question to the owner - is there any chance that vertical images will be smaller? Now they are huge that it exceed my big monitor... The watermark is poor still and I'm waiting to upload hundreds of my images to you. Any hopes for changes?
I wrote Benji an email about that issue but never got a reply...
Same here.
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Hello everybody :)
Just want to say that i sold one pic on Picfair maybe...a week ago
Buyer signed with anonymous so i m in doubt...maybe they "bought" that pic from me :)
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As for reply from Benjy i can t say anything bad because they replied whenever i asked about cashout for example...
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Hi, anyone selling over there? I have about 150 image up and want to upload more but I don't see any sales. At least not on twitter. I just got in this week's Picfair Picks but I have no idea if this helps.
If you sold anything the last week please let us know. I'm curious.
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I didn't upload many but zero sales puts me off uploading more. Been there a long time now.
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I think I got about 200 online there, three times in Pick of the week, 4 sales so far (2 of them were picked ones)
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I upload 200 images this week. Today the first sale.
The upload is totaly simple. I only upload via FTP and thats it. The files are online after FTP uploading. No editing no review.
Picfair only takes 20% commission.
To be too good to be true ;D
Is there anything wrong with Picfair what I've overlooked?
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I have 1000 images up there and earned 38GBP in a year... So you are lucky with your first week sale.
Is FTP now open for everybody?
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I have 1000 images up there and earned 38GBP in a year... So you are lucky with your first week sale.
Is FTP now open for everybody?
Hopefully its more than luck ;D!
They invite me per mail to FTP after i uploaded the first 100. I dont know if its open for everybody.
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So, how is there? I'm wondering if I should try it...
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Hmm I decided to upload to these guys - upload process on the surface is senssational - although I'd rather FPT - I've asked for an invite for that and i suspect my problems will go away after that..
But in the meantime - i uploaded 20 files - they all completed, but some said they were processing. So I uploaded another 20... and over half of the orginal files have no disappeared :(.
Of the second batch of 20, only about 15 of them worked..
anyone else having these problems?
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I upload 200 images this week. Today the first sale.
The upload is totaly simple. I only upload via FTP and thats it. The files are online after FTP uploading. No editing no review.
Picfair only takes 20% commission.
To be too good to be true ;D
Is there anything wrong with Picfair what I've overlooked?
2 years, 600 images, 15,000 views, 4 sales. Maybe that's what's wrong. Their license is not true royalty-free and does not allow advertising. So you have tons of pics on there without model releases. It's neither editorial nor commercial.
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So, I've decided to give it a try. Uploaded some photos, put all the keywording and pricing and stuff. But now, if I go to search and type keywords of my photos in it, it doesn't show my pics. Is there anything else I must do or what's the problem?
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2 years, 600 images, 15,000 views, 4 sales. Maybe that's what's wrong.
Sounds like Demotix. Anybody uploading at both? Is it the same?
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Wov, I had a sale just two days after my first images were published online.
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What's going on with Picfair ? Everybody here had good sales ? I tried a little last year but I removed my picture when I notice the watermark was almost invisible on my images. But I may give another try with images that fit good with the watermark they use.
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Got my first sale yesterday. I'm have 3 000 images for almost 4 months. But it was less than one hour work of uploading so it is good enough for now for me.
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4 months, 169 images, two sales, 5 brit pounds each.
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hello, can i sell my photos on picfair and in the same time the same photos as rf on other stock sites?
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I have a lot of view on my image at picfair but no download. I doubt much buyer know or buy at picfair :/
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I have a lot of view on my image at picfair but no download. I doubt much buyer know or buy at picfair :/
I've had over 6k good sellers at Picfair since the beginning of the year and NO sales. Most disappointing site in the marketplace. Even stock fresh and Crestock earn me some occasional income.
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I have a lot of view on my image at picfair but no download. I doubt much buyer know or buy at picfair :/
I've had over 6k good sellers at Picfair since the beginning of the year and NO sales. Most disappointing site in the marketplace. Even stock fresh and Crestock earn me some occasional income.
No surprise, after three years, 30.000 views and four sales I closed my account there. I think one problem is their license which is neither RF nor editorial but a mix between the two. So no commercial use allowed. That rules out a lot of buyers.