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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2015, 13:51 »
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Kelly wasn't as bad as some of you hint. Din't have good communication skills, that's true. I think he left istock because he couldn't run it in  his way.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2015, 15:39 by loop »


« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2015, 14:28 »
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What happened to iStock started the day the changed the royalty system.  The other agencies just took advantage of Getty/iStock bad decisions.

Change was coming anyhow. The main issue today is over-supply. The availability of thing determines it's price.  Plus the small business which once used microstock use Facebook today instead of having a website.

The smaller curated sites can, of course, offer a much better experience. They have lovely content presented in a way which makes it accessible. But that isn't microstock.

« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2015, 16:20 »
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What happened to iStock started the day the changed the royalty system.  The other agencies just took advantage of Getty/iStock bad decisions.

Change was coming anyhow. The main issue today is over-supply. The availability of thing determines it's price.  Plus the small business which once used microstock use Facebook today instead of having a website.

The smaller curated sites can, of course, offer a much better experience. They have lovely content presented in a way which makes it accessible. But that isn't microstock.

Over-supply is just another way of saying under-curation.  And maybe the real problem is one-size-fits-all pricing.  With some control over our pricing, microstock could make sense again.   If you think you can sell 100 downloads at 35 cents, go for it.  But if you spend the time to produce a unique image for a small market, you should be able to ask $5.   

It doesn't have to be just one big Dollar Store.  Will wait to see if 500px agrees, in the long run.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2015, 16:23 by stockastic »

« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2015, 02:17 »
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Kelly Thompson is a good guy who worked his ... off to move istock forward and earned us all a lot of money before getty brought istock down.

He made some stupid comments on the forums, yes, but to me he is one of the best istock had.

So this is good news.

Please give me a proper upload process with automatic downsizing and watermarks. I really would like to try 500pix.

Hi Jasmin,

This is already available on 500px. There are check boxes for to put watermark and also another for to be put on sale in Prime. I upload all images in bulk(in high resolution) and all is done automatically on the site after that.

« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2015, 02:35 »
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I upload all images in bulk(in high resolution) and all is done automatically on the site after that.

??????
How on earth do you manage a bulk upload??   

I just tried my first 20 images and I have to
(1) first manually remove keywords over 30  (one by one!)
(2) manually check the boxes for watermark and marketplace.   Is "Marketplace" the same as "Prime"? 
I can't call that "automatically" ....  :(

« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2015, 03:44 »
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Do they have a real watermark, or is it still the tiny thing?

« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2015, 04:27 »
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I don't think Kelly had anything to do with the changes at IStock.  It doesn't seem like he had any say or control. I get the feeling higher ups only put him in the job for PR reasons.

« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2015, 04:51 »
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I upload all images in bulk(in high resolution) and all is done automatically on the site after that.

   Is "Marketplace" the same as "Prime"? 



Originally the marketplace was called Prime. Then 500px created two collections in their shop, the core and prime collection, and changed the name of the shop to Marketplace to avoid ambiguity. But many user still call the shop "Prime", and it is possible that Prime is still used at some place on the website instead of Marketplace.

Things move fast at 500px marketplace, they are still searching the best formula, experimenting, it seems, and it is not always easy to follow. For the moment, it is always for the best to my opinion and I have confidence in them. I hope this will not change as they try to develop the marketplace.

« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2015, 05:36 »
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I think photos for "prime" collection are hand-picked by editors from "core" collection.

« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2015, 08:36 »
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I upload all images in bulk(in high resolution) and all is done automatically on the site after that.

??????
How on earth do you manage a bulk upload??   

I just tried my first 20 images and I have to
(1) first manually remove keywords over 30  (one by one!)
(2) manually check the boxes for watermark and marketplace.   Is "Marketplace" the same as "Prime"? 
I can't call that "automatically" ....  :(

Click on "Upload", then "Browse photos", then select all photos you have and wait to be uploaded. Then select all photos with the mouse(click and hold and pulling the mouse to to cover all photos). When you have all photos selected you can just with one click to select to be watermarked and to go on sale in Prime. On the same way you can select categories to group of images.

My English is not so good, sorry :)

« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2015, 09:13 »
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I think photos for "prime" collection are hand-picked by editors from "core" collection.

This is true based on an email I just got from them. All you do is upload and submit. They do the rest and your Prime collection is merely at the mercy of their reviewers as to whether an image gets selected.

« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2015, 11:13 »
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Do they have a real watermark, or is it still the tiny thing?

They have not addressed the Watermark problem yet.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2015, 12:15 by rimglow »

« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2015, 11:28 »
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I upload all images in bulk(in high resolution) and all is done automatically on the site after that.

??????
How on earth do you manage a bulk upload??   

I just tried my first 20 images and I have to
(1) first manually remove keywords over 30  (one by one!)
(2) manually check the boxes for watermark and marketplace.   Is "Marketplace" the same as "Prime"? 
I can't call that "automatically" ....  :(

Yes.  Deleting keywords is a major PITA; if they'd just accept 50, few of us would have a problem.  The process is too slow for stock.  It would be ok for 'art' photos, but they don't sell prints anymore. 

I understand that 500px is still evolving; unfortunately now, with this announcement, I expect things to be completely churned up yet again and will be in flux for quite a while.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2015, 11:30 by stockastic »

« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2015, 11:40 »
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It is worth to waste the time uploading to 500px? Sales, as far as I know, are an exceptional event, with or without mr Thompson

« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2015, 11:57 »
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I upload all images in bulk(in high resolution) and all is done automatically on the site after that.

??????
How on earth do you manage a bulk upload??   

I just tried my first 20 images and I have to
(1) first manually remove keywords over 30  (one by one!)
(2) manually check the boxes for watermark and marketplace.   Is "Marketplace" the same as "Prime"? 
I can't call that "automatically" ....  :(

Click on "Upload", then "Browse photos", then select all photos you have and wait to be uploaded. Then select all photos with the mouse(click and hold and pulling the mouse to to cover all photos). When you have all photos selected you can just with one click to select to be watermarked and to go on sale in Prime. On the same way you can select categories to group of images.
Thanks Deyan, I did not know working in bulk for marketplace/watermarking would leave the keywords intact.  Good to know!

« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2015, 13:50 »
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I was quite happy with 500pix. I guess the honeymoon is over now.
No uploading anymore..

« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2015, 14:42 »
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He did star in a leading role as Prince Kelly in a narrative I wrote. I'm sure his resume must seem impressive, but I wonder if 500px actually know about all the fond things we remember.  :'(


« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2015, 17:06 »
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...In all honesty I am not sure it's all his fault at iStock. Getty likes to blame him but my guess is they tied his hands.

It absolutely isn't all Kelly Thompson's fault - there's lots of blame to go around. However,...

He handled the initial 2010 cash grab badly, and then when it blew up in the contributor community he tried to smooth it over and was so inept at that and clueless as to what he was dealing with that he made it much worse instead of better. Jonathan Klein's scorched earth policies and greed caught up with him in the end, but Kelly was just so out of his depth it wasn't funny. Prior to that, during 2009 when the site was in one of its many stages of being broken because they'd tried to "improve" it, he seemed completely out of touch with what a mess things were (this from a Q&A at the iStockalypse in Calgary). I don't know what he was supposed to be good at - other than being Bruce Livingstone's friend I don't know why he was there

i don't know about Kelly. but i know that Bruce Livingstone was the one who made all the money when he sold istock. wiki : 2006, Livingstone sold iStockphoto to Getty Images for $50 million
whether Kelly was his mouthpiece or getty's whipping boy, it seems many are not forgiving about Kelly.
if Kelly was BL's friend, why did Kelly not leave with BL??? anyway,
still, it's ironic how no one said the same thing about Livingstone and his new dream agency  ;)

if you were ever in a position where you were paid to be the whipping boy (eg. management to fire
the employees,etc) you will know that it is not your buddy the upper management
who is the one who fired you in the lower management. it is the owner or the people
who kept most of the money , and never did any of the dirty work.

my only thing i don't like about 500 is whether they want to be a social-media with thumbs up and
great work, come visit me  ppl over there.
once they decide they want to be another ss of the old fame, then i will take them seriously,
Kelly or not.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2015, 17:22 by etudiante_rapide »

« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2015, 17:56 »
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OMG, please fire Kelly before it is too late.
Maybe he is not the only one responsible of iStock's decline but he was an active actor.
He doesn't understand micro/macro stock business model, or at least contributors' part of it. He thinks that all contributors are happy to invest thousands in equipments and shots and getting nothing in return.

« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2015, 18:12 »
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OMG, please fire Kelly before it is too late.
Maybe he is not the only one responsible of iStock's decline but he was an active actor.
He doesn't understand micro/macro stock business model, or at least contributors' part of it. He thinks that all contributors are happy to invest thousands in equipments and shots and getting nothing in return.

so you really believe that everything is did was Kelly's idea??? ;D
Kelly was just a chess piece in the whole game...
he never got a share of the profit; just a choice between saying what the owner wants him to say
or a pink slip.
when he moves to 500, he probably took the pink slip after preparing his departure.

« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2015, 18:45 »
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OMG, please fire Kelly before it is too late.
Maybe he is not the only one responsible of iStock's decline but he was an active actor.
He doesn't understand micro/macro stock business model, or at least contributors' part of it. He thinks that all contributors are happy to invest thousands in equipments and shots and getting nothing in return.

so you really believe that everything is did was Kelly's idea??? ;D
Kelly was just a chess piece in the whole game...

I don't think it was his idea but it was a bad idea and it was his job to say it.
He was not a simple employee but the iStock's CEO. I am sure that his former boss (Klein) today is regretting the stupid idea and Kelly's 'obedience'.

And I am sure that 'Money will not make you happy' communication was Mr Thompson's personal touch - for me it's enough to doubt in his capacity to make 500px successful.

« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2015, 20:47 »
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Edited.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2015, 23:58 by hatman12 »

« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2015, 21:59 »
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"I think the market will and is turning. Stocksy grew 600% this year"

Where did you read this? I couldn't find anything via internet search.

« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2015, 22:01 »
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OMG, please fire Kelly before it is too late.
Maybe he is not the only one responsible of iStock's decline but he was an active actor.
He doesn't understand micro/macro stock business model, or at least contributors' part of it. He thinks that all contributors are happy to invest thousands in equipments and shots and getting nothing in return.

so you really believe that everything is did was Kelly's idea??? ;D
Kelly was just a chess piece in the whole game...

I don't think it was his idea but it was a bad idea and it was his job to say it.
He was not a simple employee but the iStock's CEO. I am sure that his former boss (Klein) today is regretting the stupid idea and Kelly's 'obedience'.

And I am sure that 'Money will not make you happy' communication was Mr Thompson's personal touch - for me it's enough to doubt in his capacity to make 500px successful.


ok, as i said i don't know who he is, but as you informed me, he was not just management
but CEO. that changes everything.. yes, then, he wasn't just "following orders"...
he made them.

now, my decision with 500 changes too with that insight from you. i will not bother joining them even  if 500 decides to be an agency rather than just another fb.  8)

thx rene for clarifying . saves me the trouble to prepare for 500
another one bites the dust !!!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2015, 22:05 by etudiante_rapide »

« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2015, 22:22 »
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While I understand why people would be bitter and upset here, to blame all of iStock's woes over the last 5 years on one person is pointless.

I think iStockphoto grew too fast for these Canadian folks, who really did want the best for everyone. Hence why they left the toxic corporate environment. 500PX and Stocksy are both based in Canada, and it appears that they are both doing well, including providing sense of community for artists and a more sustainable pricing strategy. They will probably continue to thrive.

I'm not going to name names, but it wasn't Kelly that originally promoted the idea that "it's not about the money." I still try to roll with that philosophy, and follow my passions which meant getting out of the studio. My bills are still being paid as an exclusive iStock photog. I was doing very well under the leadership of both Bruce and Kelly, so I could never throw either of them under the bus.


 

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