Author Topic: POLL: Let's promote together "The best contributor friendly agency"! First time! (Read 40685 times)

borg · « **Reply #50 on:** March 28, 2013, 18:32 »

Nobody suggest you to delete your IS portfolio...
I am talking that from first moment on this forum.
Why to destroy one of selling channels of existing or old photos...
But every buyer more on GL or P5 mean less buyers on IS, which mean more money in our pocket!

fotografer · « **Reply #51 on:** March 28, 2013, 18:38 »

Quote from: heywoody on March 28, 2013, 17:41

People vote for SS because it earns the most money for them, they have a low cost model but have the volumes to generate relatively decent returns and they are by far the most professionally run site. If we make the assumption that folks are doing this for the money rather than getting a nice warm fuzzy feeling, you pick your sites based on results. Mickey mouse "fair" sites are all very well and good but how many people would delete their IS ports to put them on say GL?

It isn't about deleting ports it's about sending buyers from the sites that pay low commissions to those that pay high commissions.

heywoody · « **Reply #52 on:** March 28, 2013, 19:11 »

I'm not a buyer of images but, like everyone, I am a buyer of goods and services and my decisions on where to purchase are based on value and quality - the happiness of the suppliers or workers doesn't enter into it. If folks want buyers to move they have to move the product first.

tdoes · « **Reply #53 on:** March 28, 2013, 19:24 »

Quote from: tdoes on March 27, 2013, 20:42

Quote from: disorderly on March 27, 2013, 16:22
Quote from: tdoes on March 27, 2013, 16:05
This could be an opportunity to get some of the low earners that pay the most a bump in popularity with the buyers. Imagine if Veer became a big player!

Sounds awful. Poor sales, low upload limits, slow reviews, lots of rejections. Veer is the last agency I'd want to promote.

More buyers would most likely change everything except the rejection policy. More buyers would increase sales which should enable Veer to increase their staff to run a more efficient business to benefit us contributors. I like the money the average sale generates at this site!

I realized that this poll was about voting on "The best contributor friendly agency" and not about us deciding on what agencies we should help promote together to increase our sales.

Wish that could be a goal!

linma · « **Reply #54 on:** March 28, 2013, 20:16 »

I'm a individual contributor, send the image to SS/IS/DT...6 -7 site, based on the list at the right side, I have a intrest on GL too at this moment, could someone tell me why so many people vote GL as a friendly agency? Thanks.

EmberMike · « **Reply #55 on:** March 28, 2013, 20:54 »

Quote from: heywoody on March 28, 2013, 17:41

People vote for SS because it earns the most money for them, they have a low cost model but have the volumes to generate relatively decent returns and they are by far the most professionally run site. If we make the assumption that folks are doing this for the money rather than getting a nice warm fuzzy feeling, you pick your sites based on results. Mickey mouse "fair" sites are all very well and good but how many people would delete their IS ports to put them on say GL?

I'm one of those people who makes the most money from SS. I do this for the money, full-time. I don't care about the warm-and-fuzzies, I care about putting food on the table. And I also picked the sites I picked in this poll based on the results I want to see. Shutterstock, averaging $0.50 in my pocket per sale, is not the kind of results I want more of. No one wants that. Sure those $0.50 average earnings add up to thousands of dollars, but I'd be far better off if I took each one of those sales and moved them over to Stockfresh, GL, etc.

It is completely irrational to vote for SS in this poll. It makes zero sense. I get that people are voting based on total earnings, but that's not the right way to look at this.

cthoman · « **Reply #56 on:** March 28, 2013, 21:30 »

Quote from: EmberMike on March 28, 2013, 20:54

I'm one of those people who makes the most money from SS. I do this for the money, full-time. I don't care about the warm-and-fuzzies, I care about putting food on the table. And I also picked the sites I picked in this poll based on the results I want to see. Shutterstock, averaging $0.50 in my pocket per sale, is not the kind of results I want more of. No one wants that. Sure those $0.50 average earnings add up to thousands of dollars, but I'd be far better off if I took each one of those sales and moved them over to Stockfresh, GL, etc.

It is completely irrational to vote for SS in this poll. It makes zero sense. I get that people are voting based on total earnings, but that's not the right way to look at this.

I tend to agree. Shutterstock has always been courteous to me in my dealings with them and one of my top overall earners, but they are still my lowest per sale earner. So, it is hard to escape the fact that all of that comes at a price. If a fraction of those sales came from other sites, I would earn somewhere between a little more money to a veritable @ss load more. So... It's not all about warm fuzzies.

EmberMike · « **Reply #57 on:** March 28, 2013, 21:41 »

Quote from: cthoman on March 28, 2013, 21:30

I tend to agree. Shutterstock has always been courteous to me in my dealings with them and one of my top overall earners, but they are still my lowest per sale earner. So, it is hard to escape the fact that all of that comes at a price. If a fraction of those sales came from other sites, I would earn somewhere between a little more money to a veritable @ss load. So... It's not all about warm fuzzies.

Yep, that's it. I have no hard feelings toward Shutterstock, I like the company and the people, etc. But there's no denying the fact that if some of my SS sales were shifted over to another company, I'd be making more money. Like you said, somewhere between a little more money and...

I'm sure someone could quote me as saying something in this forum in the past along the lines of "RPD is a sucker's statistic." In many regards, I still believe that. If I'm using RPD to decide who to do business with and that leads me to exclude a low RPD company like Shutterstock, then yes, I'm a sucker and I'm missing out on some good money. Like it or not, if you want to earn the most money possible in this business, you need to be working with Shutterstock.

But in this discussion, if we're talking about which companies can help us earn more money with the exact same portfolios we have today, RPD is what matters, and unfortunately SS doesn't have it.

Again, nothing against SS. I've had nothing but a positive experience with SS and I'm satisfied with how things are going. I've had SS employees in my home to talk shop, and I'd welcome them back any time. Great people, smart people, lots of folks are doing good things over there at SS HQ. Just in the context of this particular discussion, SS really can't be at the top of anyone's list.

Pilens · « **Reply #58 on:** March 28, 2013, 22:08 »

Quote from: EmberMike on March 28, 2013, 21:41

Quote from: cthoman on March 28, 2013, 21:30
I tend to agree. Shutterstock has always been courteous to me in my dealings with them and one of my top overall earners, but they are still my lowest per sale earner. So, it is hard to escape the fact that all of that comes at a price. If a fraction of those sales came from other sites, I would earn somewhere between a little more money to a veritable @ss load. So... It's not all about warm fuzzies.

Yep, that's it. I have no hard feelings toward Shutterstock, I like the company and the people, etc. But there's no denying the fact that if some of my SS sales were shifted over to another company, I'd be making more money. Like you said, somewhere between a little more money and...

I'm sure someone could quote me as saying something in this forum in the past along the lines of "RPD is a sucker's statistic." In many regards, I still believe that. If I'm using RPD to decide who to do business with and that leads me to exclude a low RPD company like Shutterstock, then yes, I'm a sucker and I'm missing out on some good money. Like it or not, if you want to earn the most money possible in this business, you need to be working with Shutterstock.

But in this discussion, if we're talking about which companies can help us earn more money with the exact same portfolios we have today, RPD is what matters, and unfortunately SS doesn't have it.

Again, nothing against SS. I've had nothing but a positive experience with SS and I'm satisfied with how things are going. I've had SS employees in my home to talk shop, and I'd welcome them back any time. Great people, smart people, lots of folks are doing good things over there at SS HQ. Just in the context of this particular discussion, SS really can't be at the top of anyone's list.

Yes, I agree 100%. I just have to add that while RPD should be the major factor for deciding whom to campaign for, royalty rates, ease of submission, review process ... are also important pieces of the puzzle. My RPD at iStock, for example, isn't at all that bad BUT...

Lizard · « **Reply #59 on:** March 28, 2013, 22:52 »

For now I would promote only symbiostock project , because we pay all others for promotion already, don't they always say that's one reason why their part of the sale has to be so high? Or not?

Also, votes are to widely spread, so u can not expect that after the winner is claimed those majority starts follow minority of winning-losing side.

First, maybe an option for promoting more of them (to include more contributors because not all are ready to choose only 1.

Maybe we should even make a ranked list and promote list of fair sites for buyers...lets put 3, 5, even 7 which got most votes...and then really start promoting one of them who suits us most from the list individually, while somehow promoting fair sites top 5 friendly list altogether.

Buyers also like to chose, so, give them a site u promote, but also a list from they can choose from if they don't like your first suggestion.
No site won't have nothing against being on that list , and some will maybe miss being on it a bit.

It does not have to stay same, some can get off a better one may jump in...we decide its not static,hey you can open another pole in a month

If we start promote strong enough, and list gets wide value, some may conclude its better to throw a bit more than competitor and and get on list replacing him.

And then again maybe i went too far in wrong direction , but is there one of you who cannot try to pick one of lets say 5 pool winning sites, or even only chooses a site of his like that's not on the list, but then promotes the list also.

So I vote lets pick them as a ranked list and promote (5,7,9, your choice) but in ranked mode.

Metsafile · « **Reply #60 on:** March 29, 2013, 00:28 »

Have a close look at the poll chart. Something is not right. Pond5 or Stockfresh?

fotografer · « **Reply #61 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:00 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 28, 2013, 22:52

Also, votes are to widely spread, so u can not expect that after the winner is claimed those majority starts follow minority of winning-losing side.

I agree. If SS were being promoted there is no way that I would ever send clients there. I really like the company but I would be shooting myself in the foot if I sent buyers there.

fotografer · « **Reply #62 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:01 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 28, 2013, 22:52

For now I would promote only symbiostock project , because we pay all others for promotion already, don't they always say that's one reason why their part of the sale has to be so high? Or not?

I think that is the most sensible answer once we all have our ports there.

borg · « **Reply #63 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:55 »

Quote from: fotografer on March 29, 2013, 04:01

Quote from: Lizard on March 28, 2013, 22:52
For now I would promote only symbiostock project , because we pay all others for promotion already, don't they always say that's one reason why their part of the sale has to be so high? Or not?

I think that is the most sensible answer once we all have our ports there.

Heh! Where is the point!

Big agencies are making our earnings part smaller, time to time, with that apology...
They are mutually struggling for market with our money, which means that only marketing companies make profit at the end...
So we have costly competition between FT,IS, DT, etc. , at our expense, even if we have same portfolios on every agency...

From our point of view that is catastrophic!
Great "marketing beast" devours us, since "the burden of marketing" is on our side ..
16% of royalty on iStock tells everything!

RacePhoto · « **Reply #64 on:** March 29, 2013, 10:25 »

Quote from: cthoman on March 27, 2013, 09:17

I don't currently submit to any of those. Haven't we tried this before and you can never get a consensus? I guess it doesn't hurt to try again though.

Help the confused. You are on a Microstock Forum and you don't contribute to "any of those"?

Are you 100% independent, your own site only or where do you contribute.

Yes, like Lisa, selective, I only voted for two.

cthoman · « **Reply #65 on:** March 29, 2013, 10:33 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on March 29, 2013, 10:25

Quote from: cthoman on March 27, 2013, 09:17
I don't currently submit to any of those. Haven't we tried this before and you can never get a consensus? I guess it doesn't hurt to try again though.

Help the confused. You are on a Microstock Forum and you don't contribute to "any of those"?

Are you 100% independent, your own site only or where do you contribute.

Yes, like Lisa, selective, I only voted for two.

I have portfolios on many of them, but I don't add new files to any of them. I have 3 or 4 sites that get my new images, but none of them were included in the poll.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #66 on:** March 29, 2013, 10:47 »

Thanks, that makes more sense.

I guess I read it as "I don't submit to any of them" meaning you don't have anything there. Two different things.

Hope the sites you do use actively are working well.

Quote from: cthoman on March 29, 2013, 10:33

Quote from: RacePhoto on March 29, 2013, 10:25
Quote from: cthoman on March 27, 2013, 09:17
I don't currently submit to any of those. Haven't we tried this before and you can never get a consensus? I guess it doesn't hurt to try again though.

Help the confused. You are on a Microstock Forum and you don't contribute to "any of those"?

Are you 100% independent, your own site only or where do you contribute.

Yes, like Lisa, selective, I only voted for two.

I have portfolios on many of them, but I don't add new files to any of them. I have 3 or 4 sites that get my new images, but none of them were included in the poll.

borg · « **Reply #67 on:** March 29, 2013, 11:42 »

Many exclusives on some sites don't like actions like this... So it also could be a sign of big potential...

Cthoman, I'm sorry if your agencies are not on the Poll's list... I put all rated agencies from MSG (column right), which mean that contributors mostly work with them...

cthoman · « **Reply #68 on:** March 29, 2013, 12:26 »

Quote from: borg on March 29, 2013, 11:42

Many exclusives on some sites don't like actions like this... So it also could be a sign of big potential...

Cthoman, I'm sorry if your agencies are not on the Poll's list... I put all rated agencies from MSG (column right), which mean that contributors mostly work with them...

No problem. I mainly just submit to smaller illustration sites or my own, so they don't get listed because they never get enough votes.

JohnItalia · « **Reply #69 on:** March 29, 2013, 13:12 »

GraphicLeftovers? I would hope they don't end up in the top 3!

lisafx · « **Reply #70 on:** March 29, 2013, 15:51 »

Quote from: JohnItalia on March 29, 2013, 13:12

GraphicLeftovers? I would hope they don't end up in the top 3!

What problem do you have with GL? Fine if you don't like them, but a lot of us do. If you know something we don't, you should share with the group...

leaf · « **Reply #71 on:** March 29, 2013, 15:58 »

@Lisa - you can now remove your vote and cast a new vote (you had asked to do so earlier)

lisafx · « **Reply #72 on:** March 29, 2013, 15:59 »

Quote from: leaf on March 29, 2013, 15:58

@Lisa - you can now remove your vote and cast a new vote (you had asked to do so earlier)

Thanks a lot Tyler

JohnItalia · « **Reply #73 on:** March 29, 2013, 16:31 »

Quote from: JohnItalia on March 29, 2013, 13:12

GraphicLeftovers? I would hope they don't end up in the top 3!

I actually liked doing business with GL for a time. But when you deal with top and middle tier companies who are very busy and they take the time to get back to you when you email them with a question and a low tier company like GL takes a month to get back to you with an email that makes no sense I feel their professionalism suffers.
I won't get into detail, however, the answer I got back was, "No, we at GL are too busy to answer all emails in detail" I would hate to see a company that treats its photographer like that get promoted. Just my opinion and my observation. Hope you are being treated better if you are promoting them.

borg · « **Reply #74 on:** March 29, 2013, 16:33 »

It seems that we will have to promote SS as a first agency in our campaign...
That also could be good to show other "biggies" that we like someone who is good to us..

So, what you mean? How long period should be for the first campaign? Week, month or...?

After first campaign we can start the second! Second agency on poll list...

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