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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2009, 03:24 »
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BME



« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2009, 05:19 »
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Here's mine for last month which was a second consecutive BME __ March 2008 figures in brackets.

ISP   37.3%  (36.6)
SS    27.9%  (29.1)
FOT  14.9%  (10.9)
DT    12.4%  (13.5)
StockXpert    5.1%  (6.2)
BigStock    2.3%  (3)


« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2009, 06:50 »
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BigStock overtaking Istock - the hare and the turtle.
SS king of the game - sprinter.
DT steady and increasing - marathon runner.
FT better than thought
"New" or renewed sites: CanStockPhoto, MP and CC dead, ZYM keeps going - the Duracell rabbit.

« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2009, 07:35 »
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I never understand the point of these percentage threads since you can have different numbers for different amounts of time at different agencies.  You don't know the amount of royalties, the number of images added per month or anything.  I can't see how these stats are any use at all.

« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2009, 07:59 »
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I never understand the point of these percentage threads since you can have different numbers for different amounts of time at different agencies.  You don't know the amount of royalties, the number of images added per month or anything.  I can't see how these stats are any use at all.

One should assume that the poster uploads the same images at all the sites around the same time,
That the ports are approximately the same,
That the port is > 500.

Your statistical noise and bias will be reduced then, but never eliminated. The use might be to pay more attention (type of images, postprocessing) to sites that underperform in comparison to the graphs of others, without neglecting the site that makes most income.

« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2009, 13:37 »
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I never understand the point of these percentage threads since you can have different numbers for different amounts of time at different agencies.  You don't know the amount of royalties, the number of images added per month or anything.  I can't see how these stats are any use at all.

True enough they are not particularly reliable indicators on an individual basis, especially from those with small portfolios or few sales. However collectively they do at least give some indication as to how the total market is being shared out between agencies and which agencies may or may not be worth bothering with.

I'd assume that even exclusive contributors like yourself would find them useful for monitoring IS's overall market share?

« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2009, 18:06 »
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I never understand the point of these percentage threads since you can have different numbers for different amounts of time at different agencies.  You don't know the amount of royalties, the number of images added per month or anything.  I can't see how these stats are any use at all.

Yep, a total waste of time, even when portfolio size and dollar amounts are included.
I challenge everyone who contributed to this thread to describe how they've been able put this information to effective/valuable use.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2009, 18:08 by sharply_done »

« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2009, 19:30 »
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Yep, a total waste of time, even when portfolio size and dollar amounts are included.
I challenge everyone who contributed to this thread to describe how they've been able put this information to effective/valuable use.


Challenge accepted. I use them to confirm whether or not I should upload to various agencies and general monitoring of the overall market as it affects others comparative to my own results. I'm also interested in how newbies find things too as an indication of current ease-of-entry and therefore potential future competition. It's all good as it happens.

If you do this for a living how could you not find this information interesting and useful even if you have to apply your own weighting to the various responses? If not why bother with such forums at all if you just want to live in your own bubble?

If you and Sean are not interested in such information then I challenge you to explain why you bothered to waste your valuable time clicking on the thread in the first place?

RacePhoto

« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2009, 22:37 »
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And it is really amazing that people are doing well despite the bad economy. Maybe this is a sign that things are getting better! :D

But be assured that for the rest of the month we'll be reading how horrible things are, how sales are down, how the search algorithms are screwing us, rejections are exploding, and how site forums are censoring us.  ::) Then at the end of the month we'll read how good things were for some people, and it's back to the whining and complaining for another four weeks.  ;D

Makes it hard to take the constant complaining seriously when people are reporting BME and climbing sales.

ps March my sales were up and so were my rejections. Some sites I saw my photos head to the last pages because they show the most sold or most viewed first. Tough nuts, everyone gets the same deal, I don't care.

« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2009, 02:06 »
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you can have BME, but not be happy with sales, because you expecte more, regarding work you put in to it...



« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2009, 02:18 »
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And it is really amazing that people are doing well despite the bad economy. Maybe this is a sign that things are getting better! :D

But be assured that for the rest of the month we'll be reading how horrible things are, how sales are down, how the search algorithms are screwing us, rejections are exploding, and how site forums are censoring us.  ::) Then at the end of the month we'll read how good things were for some people, and it's back to the whining and complaining for another four weeks.  ;D

Makes it hard to take the constant complaining seriously when people are reporting BME and climbing sales.

ps March my sales were up and so were my rejections. Some sites I saw my photos head to the last pages because they show the most sold or most viewed first. Tough nuts, everyone gets the same deal, I don't care.

I am sure the complaining will increase going in to the summer, as that is a low point in the sales cycle.  Some people don't seem to factor that in at all.

« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2009, 04:22 »
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march 2009: BME

SS:        32,6%
IS:        16,5%
DT:       13% BME
123RF:    6,6% BME
FT:       13% BME
BigStock:       4%
StockXpert:     13,1% BME
others  :  0,6%




« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2009, 13:22 »
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I challenge everyone who contributed to this thread to describe how they've been able put this information to effective/valuable use.
As soon as IS accounts for >60% for three or more consecutive months, I may consider becoming exclusive  :)


« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2009, 13:32 »
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I challenge everyone who contributed to this thread to describe how they've been able put this information to effective/valuable use.
As soon as IS accounts for >60% for three or more consecutive months, I may consider becoming exclusive  :)

Just remove 80% of your images from the other sites, and viola!  (See what I mean about these stats not meaning anything?)

« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2009, 13:33 »
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If you and Sean are not interested in such information then I challenge you to explain why you bothered to waste your valuable time clicking on the thread in the first place?

I don't normally read these, because I don't see what purpose they serve, so I thought I'd stick my head in to try and figure out what purpose they serve.

« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2009, 13:53 »
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Perhaps percentages coupled with images portfolio size is more helpful:


Istock: 58% (far and away BME)  143 active images
SS: 18%  464 images
StockXpert: 13% 593 images
DT: 9% 385 images
BigStock 1% 90 images

« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2009, 14:11 »
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Perhaps percentages coupled with images portfolio size is more helpful:
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Even if you included the total amount earned I still couldn't figure out a quantitative way to use this information to increase my sales.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 14:13 by sharply_done »


« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2009, 14:20 »
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Challenge accepted. I use them to confirm whether or not I should upload to various agencies and general monitoring of the overall market...

Sorry, but that hasn't convinced me - I'm looking for an answer that uses the data quantitatively, not qualitatively.
Sound decisions are based on analyzing data, not glancing at it to form a gut feeling.

lisafx

« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2009, 14:42 »
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I am not sure how many people actually use this information, by itself, to make decisions, but I find it helpful to keep an eye on basic trends.  Usually a picture does emerge. 

Certainly I have been told by a number of newbies that they consider % data from these threads in deciding if they should upload to additional sites and which ones. 

I have also been e-mailed for this information by many istock members over the years.  Apparently they consider the % breakdown of sales from multiple sites helpful in deciding whether to go exclusive or stay exclusive.

FWIW nearly everyone who e-mailed asking for my breakdown has opted to go exclusive on istock or stay exclusive.  I am assuming because in my case istock is such a large % of my income that they figure it isn't worth uploading to 7 or more additional sites to increase their income by 10-20%. 

Whatever the reasons are, these threads are certainly popular enough to justify continued participation in them. 

And of course I do notice that nearly everyone participates in the monthly reporting threads at istock.  In fact, Sean, haven't you started a number of them?   

« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2009, 15:08 »
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Sure, because those actually tell you something.  You're discussing performance at one location, with the idea that generally portfolio size increases or remains the same.  You can relate one month to the next.

Just taking your total from all stores and telling what percentage came from where doesn't really say anything.

For example

IS  30%
SS  30%
DT  40%

means nothing.

IS  30% (100 images, 20 new uploads, 20 downloads, 25% last month)
SS  30% (1000 images, 200 new uploads, 200 downloads, 35% last month)
DT  40% (500 images, 100 new uploads, 140 downloads, 40% last month)

might be useful to notice that with fewer images online, and a small number of sales, IS does pretty well.  Or that DT pays better than SS.  Or that IS seems to be getting more sales this month (although a shifting of percents may not indicate that, really).


 

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