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Title: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: elvinstar on March 31, 2010, 23:57
Here it is for all of the stat junkies...
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: travelstock on April 01, 2010, 01:30
Here's mine: http://www.microstockcharts.com/holgs (http://www.microstockcharts.com/holgs)

Files uploaded: 0
Overall result: BME :)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: elvinstar on April 01, 2010, 02:23
I forgot to mention:

Overall BME

BME's on IS and SS
DT missed BME by less than $4.

 ;D
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: gostwyck on April 01, 2010, 04:21
BME and 19% up on March 2009.

Percentages as follows (with 2009);

IS    36.5  (37.3) - BME
FT   24.4  (14.9) - BME
SS   24.1  (27.9) - BME
DT   10.9  (12.4)
BS    2.4   (2.3)
Rodeo 1.6 (n/a)

IS sales are still rock steady.

FT continue their stratospheric growth. Credits earned were 47% higher than 03/2009 and image sales up 49%. However, because I convert all earnings to $'s for comparision purposes, the lower against the $ has actually slightly disguised their growth against the others. Staggering performance in these financially difficult times.

Good month from SS too with plenty of PPD's and EL's.

DT disappointing with sales, earnings and RPD almost identical to 03/2009. They are continuing to lose ground on the Big 3 for me.

Sales slowly increasing at BigStock albeit from a very low base. Not yet enough to justify uploading new images there.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Oldhand on April 01, 2010, 04:41
Not being a stats person!

SS blew the rest away with more than double joint second Fotolia and Dreamstime. 123 beat IS to fourth place.

Top four all BME's.

Crestock was less than my childrens pocket money, and BS and CAN would pay for a good night out.

Total revenue at a shade under $1000, which is no small change for me in this harsh economic World.

To add a caveat, Micro took up a lot of time for me this month, and it or I will have to up the game substantially if it's going to come close to Macro earnings, which although dwindling remain acceptable.

Rgds

Oldhand
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: epantha on April 01, 2010, 06:01
BME overall with 89% increase from March 2009 :)
Average 600 photos online.

IS   37%
SS   32 (BME)
DT   11
Veer 7
FT    5
123RF 3
BS    2
PBC, CanStockPhoto less than 1
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: MicrostockExp on April 01, 2010, 07:01
BME with a  70% increase from March 2009. Strong month at SS, FT (BME)
Just posted my complete multimedia stats (photos,videos,audios) on my blog
http://microstockexperiment.blogspot.com/ (http://microstockexperiment.blogspot.com/)

L
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: FD on April 01, 2010, 07:22
(http://cjoint.com/data/ebodujNY4q_earn2010-03.jpg)
Colored numbers = March 2009.
In absolute numbers: total earnings down 21% compared to BME March 2009, despite 26% portfolio increase.
Down: most, especially SS; up: FT and IS.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: PowerDroid on April 01, 2010, 08:28
BME at all the sites that matter (SS, IS, FT, DT)... and a couple that don't (CanStockPhoto, 123).  BigStock pretty stagnant.  I've stopped uploading to CRE and VEER and saw flat sales there compared to the last several months.  A few sales at Graphic Leftovers right after uploading my port there, but nothing for the past few weeks.  Waiting to see on that one. 

Most interesting tidbit... My IS port is about 1/4 the size of my SS port yet yielded the same amount of revenue, almost to the dollar.  I'm uploading my IS limit of 20 per week, but it it will never equal my SS port size at that rate, but should quickly and handily surpass it in sales.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: mwp1969 on April 01, 2010, 10:04
A BME for me overall  ;D

#1 SS      - BME         911 images                                                             
#2 123RF - BME       1377 images 
#3 IS                          45 images       Just missed BME
#4 DT      - BME        247  images 
#5 BigStock                     669  images       Just missed BME
#6 DP*                     277  images
#7 GL                       500  images       My Sales + Referral Sales
#8 CanStockPhoto                     649  images     
#9 FT                       249  images

*DP provided additional revenue from upload and referral upload bonuses however there haven't been any sales or referral sales yet ...

No significant contribution this month:
StockXpert, MP, Yay, CC, FP, CS

More details will be posted on my timeline:

http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
 
-Mark
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: lisafx on April 01, 2010, 13:25
Third BME for me, after Sept and October of 09.  

It was up 21% on February, and up 8% on March last year.  To be honest, I would have liked to see more than 8% growth in a year, since I have added 20% to my portfolio, but the loss of StockXpert does not appear to have been made up by the others, at least in my case.  

Compared to March last year, big winner for me seems to be Fotolia which is up 58%.  Shutterstock and DT both gained around 10% and IS stayed pretty much dead even, with a gain of less than 1%.

(http://www.pbase.com/image/123219076/medium.jpg)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: melastmohican on April 01, 2010, 13:29

Overall it was 14% less than previous month in which I got two BMEs established. First think you may noticed is no data from StockXpert.
They are gone. Images are left in void. No timeline is give on when images are going to be transferred to Getty's new site ThinkStock.
We got new top 5 now. IS takes missing spot which means that 10% of my income has gone and is going to be replaced by site that generates 3%.
On a bright side, 123RD and DT seem to be growing slowly so maybe over time they would compesate for a loss of StockXpert.
Fotolia is dormant and IS is low as usual. Suprise on this onth chart was created by YAY.
They accumulated all third-party sales from last year and put it as one big sale on a random picture.
Very bad, no information which images were sold or how many times. All others are dead or barely alive.

Code: [Select]
Mar Mar/Feb
SS 52.24% 79.69%
123RF 14.77% 93.05%
DT 11.22% 206.50%
YM 8.96%
FT 6.05% 132.54%
IS 3.99% 66.89%
BS 2.01% 111.11%
CS 0.50%
Veer 0.14%
CanStockPhoto 0.12% 10.71%
Total 96.67%

(http://jurgielewicz.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/microstock_2010-03.png) (http://melastmohican.net/wordpress/2010/04/01/march-2010-earnings-breakdown/)

http://melastmohican.net/wordpress/2010/04/01/march-2010-earnings-breakdown/ (http://melastmohican.net/wordpress/2010/04/01/march-2010-earnings-breakdown/)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Phil on April 01, 2010, 17:14
Overall, down a little, unfortunately the rise in ss and ft didnt make up for is and dt being down

IS - 29% - Well below average :( again :(
FT - 21% - BME by a long margin
SS - 21% - Not a BME, But best since sept 07!
DT - 12% - Contining on its downward trend :(
123rf - 5% - Above average
BigStock - 4% - average
can - 3% - below average
veer - 1.8% - BME
fp - 1.1% - slightly up
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: oboy on April 01, 2010, 17:44
This is my stock photography sales statistic for March 2010. You can find a complete  list of stock photography agencies (http://stock.hlehnerer.com/SA.html) that I work with  here (http://stock.hlehnerer.com/SA.html).

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201003px550.jpg)

These are for me the best 4 performing stock agencies for March 2010:

1. DepositPhotos
2. Shutterstock
3. Fotolia
4. Dreamstime

March was an OK to good month, but with an decrease of 22% compared to February . It was the best month ever for iStockPhoto, YAYmicro, GraphicLeftovers and Zoonar. DepositPhotos is still my best earner and there is an increase in sale, but more then 90% of the income with DepositPhotos is through the referral and affiliate program.

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201003Timeline550px.jpg)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: adijr on April 01, 2010, 18:59
(http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=p&chs=400x300&chd=t:21,2,2,0,0&chl=IS|SS|DT|FT|SX&chco=0066FF)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: adijr on April 01, 2010, 19:02
IS - 29% - Well below average :( again :(

Same for me, but everyone over at IS forums seems to be raving about their March BME...
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Jonathan Ross on April 01, 2010, 19:25
Hi All,

 Every month since I started seriously uploading to Istock ( a little over a year now ) has been a new BME with the exception of one month that missed it by a few dollars. Love to see growth.

Best,
Jonathan
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: laflor on April 02, 2010, 03:30
Hi All,

 Every month since I started seriously uploading to Istock ( a little over a year now ) has been a new BME with the exception of one month that missed it by a few dollars. Love to see growth.

Best,
Jonathan

Same here :)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: PowerDroid on April 02, 2010, 12:53
Whatever happened to people reporting earnings?  I used to follow several sites like Microstock Diaries, Pixels Away, Nil to Mil, etc. where experienced microstockers would report their monthly sales, but just about all of them seemed to have stopped at the same time.  Seems like everyone had a few bad months and decided to stop sharing the info.  It was always enlightening to read analysis of what was working and what wasn't, what new approaches they would try, etc.

All this stuff about percentages... 34% at SS, 22% at IS, etc... maybe I should find that interesting, but I don't care.  I'm glad Leaf is tracking which sites seem to be growing or contracting, but beyond that, I'd rather read about actual sales.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: melastmohican on April 02, 2010, 12:59
Whatever happened to people reporting earnings?  I used to follow several sites like Microstock Diaries, Pixels Away, Nil to Mil, etc. where experienced microstockers would report their monthly sales, but just about all of them seemed to have stopped at the same time.  Seems like everyone had a few bad months and decided to stop sharing the info.  It was always enlightening to read analysis of what was working and what wasn't, what new approaches they would try, etc.

All this stuff about percentages... 34% at SS, 22% at IS, etc... maybe I should find that interesting, but I don't care.  I'm glad Leaf is tracking which sites seem to be growing or contracting, but beyond that, I'd rather read about actual sales.

Relax, it's just second day of this month. Maybe they are busy and will update on weekend.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: cthoman on April 02, 2010, 13:15
Whatever happened to people reporting earnings?  I used to follow several sites like Microstock Diaries, Pixels Away, Nil to Mil, etc. where experienced microstockers would report their monthly sales, but just about all of them seemed to have stopped at the same time.  Seems like everyone had a few bad months and decided to stop sharing the info.  It was always enlightening to read analysis of what was working and what wasn't, what new approaches they would try, etc.

All this stuff about percentages... 34% at SS, 22% at IS, etc... maybe I should find that interesting, but I don't care.  I'm glad Leaf is tracking which sites seem to be growing or contracting, but beyond that, I'd rather read about actual sales.
Yeah, it does seem like some of the sites have shied away from it.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: PowerDroid on April 02, 2010, 13:15
Relax, it's just second day of this month. Maybe they are busy and will update on weekend.

I didn't mean they haven't reported March... they haven't reported the last several months.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: MicrostockExp on April 02, 2010, 14:05
I still report:)
Even if he does not report his earnings on his blog, Lee Torrens put a system in place named Microstock Charts. His updated stats are here: http://www.microstockcharts.com/leetorrens (http://www.microstockcharts.com/leetorrens)

Mine are there also: http://www.microstockcharts.com/microstockexp (http://www.microstockcharts.com/microstockexp)

Will be good when benchmarking will be activated:)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: elvinstar on April 02, 2010, 14:06
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I'd rather read about actual sales.

I've never reported dollar amounts. I don't want to get beat up by those making big money saying that I'm a "Small fish" or make newbies think that there is easy money in microstock.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: PowerDroid on April 02, 2010, 14:14
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I'd rather read about actual sales.

I've never reported dollar amounts. I don't want to get beat up by those making big money saying that I'm a "Small fish" or make newbies think that there is easy money in microstock.

I see what you're saying.  But then again, when I was starting, I would read those earnings reports and feel encouraged that it WAS possible to make decent money at this.  Now I'm doing it, and in fact have surpassed those who have inspired me, but now they've stopped talking.   I don't mind mentioning my numbers -- I've done so on quite a few posts -- but I usually do so with a caveat... it is NOT easy, and involves a significant amount of work, research, and understanding of business/marketing.  Of course, I don't want to give people the bullet to shoot me with, so I don't post links to my ports... I just have to find the balance between inspiring others who are starting out just like I was not too long ago, vs. setting up my own competition.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Jonathan Ross on April 02, 2010, 23:55
Hi PowerDroid,

 I agree that is why I posted my earnings as apposed to percentages. Percentages are very vague and of not much use to anyone but the person posting them. I would love it if people started posting their image count along with their returns from the month much more helpful, great observation. If you ever want to share numbers just let me know.

Best,
Jonathan
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Dreamframer on April 03, 2010, 03:53
My port is not so big, 350-500 files everywhere. This is my stats for March:

IS   37%
SS   35%
YAY     11%
DT   7%
FT    6%
123RF  3%
VEER 1%

The rest are below 1%
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: ShadySue on April 03, 2010, 05:50
Hi PowerDroid,

 I agree that is why I posted my earnings as apposed to percentages. Percentages are very vague and of not much use to anyone but the person posting them. I would love it if people started posting their image count along with their returns from the month much more helpful, great observation.

Absolutely; the stats are meaningless without at least how many images you have with each agency and how long they've been there - which would probably be far too complicated to work out and illustrate.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Jonathan Ross on April 03, 2010, 13:35
Hi Sue,

Yes, or sharing an RPI per agency with the number of images you have there, that would really offer info we could all use.

Cheers,
J
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: gostwyck on April 03, 2010, 14:07

 I agree that is why I posted my earnings as apposed to percentages. Percentages are very vague and of not much use to anyone but the person posting them. I would love it if people started posting their image count along with their returns from the month much more helpful, great observation. If you ever want to share numbers just let me know.

Powerdroid and Jonathon __ Firstly it is considered by most people to be boastful and inappropriate to keep banging on about how much money you are making. Secondly, I have no particular interest in knowing how much money you or anyone else is making. All that matters to me is how much my portfolio earns.

The point of providing percentages, which seems to have gone over your heads, is to illustrate how the greater market is developing __ and that's very important to those of us that do this for a living. By sharing our percentages we are continually assessing the performance of the various agencies, not each other.

Most of us that provide this info have been doing microstock for some years and therefore tend to have similar sized portfolios at each. It is particularly helpful to have this information if you are considering exclusivity with one agency or another and also whether it is worth your time to upload to a new agency or not. If your own sales at a particular agency are doing well or badly then it is useful to know whether the issue is shared by others.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: WarrenPrice on April 03, 2010, 14:31
Doesn't sound boastful to me.  Hope you will not be deterred by a few negative comments. 
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: elvinstar on April 03, 2010, 14:52
My RPI is crappy due to the many crappy images accepted at the beginning of my microstock "career". If there was an easy way to calculate RPI for images less than 3 years old, I would be happy to provide it.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: PowerDroid on April 03, 2010, 15:33
Firstly it is considered by most people to be boastful and inappropriate to keep banging on about how much money you are making.
Thank you for the lesson in manners.  But I've never frequented this or any other forum expecting to find people minding their p's and q's and taken offense when someone violates the laws of decorum.  I visit forums to find interesting information.  And when people share their revenue numbers -- I don't care what Miss Manners would say about it -- I find it enlightening and often inspiring.  You might turn up your nose at a thread called "How much money did you make last month is microstock?" but I bet you would read it.

Secondly, I have no particular interest in knowing how much money you or anyone else is making.

And I have no particular interest in the mating habits of wombats, but I am thrilled those pages are out there for the people who DO care about such things.  I just don't care to frequent them, but I'm happy the info is there for those who enjoy it.

And while I don't find much interest in whether someone made 35% at SS last month or 12% at BS, you make a good case for the people who do care about those stats.  Frankly, I think Leaf's ranking system does a better job of that type of thing, but to each his own.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Phil on April 03, 2010, 16:13
Firstly it is considered by most people to be boastful and inappropriate to keep banging on about how much money you are making.
Thank you for the lesson in manners.  But I've never frequented this or any other forum expecting to find people minding their p's and q's and taken offense when someone violates the laws of decorum.  I visit forums to find interesting information.  And when people share their revenue numbers -- I don't care what Miss Manners would say about it -- I find it enlightening and often inspiring.  You might turn up your nose at a thread called "How much money did you make last month is microstock?" but I bet you would read it.

Secondly, I have no particular interest in knowing how much money you or anyone else is making.

And I have no particular interest in the mating habits of wombats, but I am thrilled those pages are out there for the people who DO care about such things.  I just don't care to frequent them, but I'm happy the info is there for those who enjoy it.

And while I don't find much interest in whether someone made 35% at SS last month or 12% at BS, you make a good case for the people who do care about those stats.  Frankly, I think Leaf's ranking system does a better job of that type of thing, but to each his own.

oooh wombat porn sites, I think they would be catering to a rather select audience :)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: gostwyck on April 03, 2010, 16:33
Thank you for the lesson in manners. 

That's OK __ don't mention it.

I visit forums to find interesting information.  And when people share their revenue numbers -- I don't care what Miss Manners would say about it -- I find it enlightening and often inspiring.  You might turn up your nose at a thread called "How much money did you make last month is microstock?" but I bet you would read it.

The truth is that virtually nobody, apart from Yuri maybe, who is actually making decent money ever discloses those figures. For exactly the same reasons that IS, SS, DT, etc don't tell us how much money they are making.

If you are so desperate to tell us all however then go ahead __ be my guest.

Frankly, I think Leaf's ranking system does a better job of that type of thing, but to each his own.

I wish! Unfortunately, as a means of assessing the growth/decline of the various agencies in comparative terms, they are statistically meaningless.  
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Mellimage on April 04, 2010, 10:58
Here mine: +19% compared to last month

FT: 68.4%  (RPI 0.57$)
IS: 19.0%  (RPI 0.27$)
SS:  5.2%  (RPI 0.05$)
DT:  7.0%  (RPI 0.08$)
123:  0.4% (RPI 0.03$) (am new there and just recently started uploading there)

Overall not bad, I think, especially considering that I have not been uploading to some agency in more than 3 to 6 months.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Jonathan Ross on April 04, 2010, 14:37
 Hi Gostywick,

 Sorry for appearing like I am boasting. It is very common in my background to share these numbers without threat or bragging being implied, they do offer some very good information as apposed to just percentages. I am happy to offer up any info that might be of help to others. I can't really see how the measly returns I just shared are a sign of boasting, just showing the change in agency sales for myself in direct income. I find Yuri's posts about RPI very helpful.

 Good Luck,
 Jonathan
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: mantonino on April 13, 2010, 20:30
I stopped reporting because I did get tired of negative comments either saying something about my progress and how I should do x or do y or give up because they started the same time as me and were doing better.  Well yippyF-ingkieyay for you.   I also stopped reporting because NOBODY would stop talking about iStock.  I don't really submit to iStock and I was sick of hearing how much better my life would be if I assimilated.  TBH I don't really give a flying isuck if they take my images.  Yes, I'd make more money and yes, that's the point but when 95% of your job stress comes from one thing and you can successfully avoid that one thing you may want to do that.

Add that to starting to joining sites I have no interest in reporting on - so my numbers aren't accurate - it just doesn't make sense to report 80% of my sites.

So at least in my case, increased earnings from various sources I didn't wish to disclose + negative commenters + iSuck@iStock.com means I stopped reporting for the most part.  I am usually a few months behind.  Right now I've reported Feb but not March.  March was a BME by a LOT.  But why bother reporting that so someone can go see what I'm doing and do more of it.

I hate to say it but the fewer microstock photographers there are, the better my sales will be.  It's actually kind of idiotic to post things that make people want to do this job more.
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: FD on April 14, 2010, 01:39
I hate to say it but the fewer microstock photographers there are, the better my sales will be.  It's actually kind of idiotic to post things that make people want to do this job more.
Glad you finally converted to the Locke-doctrine.  :P
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: MicrostockExp on April 14, 2010, 18:25
@mantonino humm that's too bad that you stop reporting when your numbers are picking up.... Are you still going to blog about microstock or  leave NiltoMil as it is?
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: Suljo on April 14, 2010, 20:15
Third BME for me, after Sept and October of 09.  

It was up 21% on February, and up 8% on March last year.  To be honest, I would have liked to see more than 8% growth in a year, since I have added 20% to my portfolio, but the loss of StockXpert does not appear to have been made up by the others, at least in my case.  

Compared to March last year, big winner for me seems to be Fotolia which is up 58%.  Shutterstock and DT both gained around 10% and IS stayed pretty much dead even, with a gain of less than 1%.

([url]http://www.pbase.com/image/123219076/medium.jpg[/url])


I cant belive Lisa produced her fist exploding graph.  ;D
Nothing personally, keep you on good work...
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: PowerDroid on April 15, 2010, 10:26
TBH I don't really give a flying isuck if they take my images.  Yes, I'd make more money and yes, that's the point but when 95% of your job stress comes from one thing and you can successfully avoid that one thing you may want to do that.

Sorry if you've taken any of the comments personally.  You started a blog called Nil to Mil with the stated goal of reaching a million dollars in microstock.  Many people watched your progress with keen interest and naturally found it odd that you would turn a blind eye to, what is for most successful microstockers, the top agency for earning potential.  Yes, it is probably the cause of most of our stress -- their upload process is painful and acceptance ratios can be brutal -- but to give up on them for these reasons is like saying it's difficult to get Wal Mart to sell your widgets so you've convinced yourself to be happy selling them in mom and pop shops or on street corners.  You can't get to "Mil" that way.  But if you're doing this for enjoyment and not to maximize your income, then you're right, do what you enjoy.  Who needs extra stress these days?

BTW...

I hate to say it but the fewer microstock photographers there are, the better my sales will be.  It's actually kind of idiotic to post things that make people want to do this job more.

If this is how you feel, you might want to change the tagline of your blog: "NiltoMil is a microstock blog for photographers looking to make money with their photos and learn more about the stock photography industry."   Maybe something like "Please don't do what I do... we don't need more competition!"  ;)
Title: Re: March 2010 Earnings Percentages
Post by: elvinstar on April 15, 2010, 14:52
iStock is not my number 1 site even though I've been doing this since 2004 and there is only about 10% less in my iStock portfolio than there is in my SS, DT or FT portfolios. This month, all of the other "Big 4" are ahead of iStock. In general, they are second or third, with only DT behind them.