Author Topic: Maybe I have UFO on one of my photos! (Read 16537 times)

borg · « **on:** September 27, 2013, 10:36 »

Maybe, I accidentally photographed an unidentified flying object (UFO).
What I know about photography tells me this should not be a "technical" error...

So, what do you think is the best way to sell these kind of photos? Editorial on Alamy or...?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2013, 10:38 »

why Editorial? UFO trademarks?

tickstock · « **Reply #2 on:** September 27, 2013, 10:38 »

Fox news?

borg · « **Reply #3 on:** September 27, 2013, 10:39 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on September 27, 2013, 10:38

why Editorial? UFO trademarks?

Who knows? ;-)

Photo doesn't have stock quality, but I have RAW format to prove it's authentic...

borg · « **Reply #4 on:** September 27, 2013, 10:43 »

Quote from: tickstock on September 27, 2013, 10:38

Fox news?

Really!? But how to check it or prove it, if this can be UFO... ?
I saw these days many "extraordinary UFO photos" over Internet, many of them are quite similar to mine, all are JPGs, but I have RAW and also original photo is still in camera...

tickstock · « **Reply #5 on:** September 27, 2013, 10:47 »

The tabloids like national enquirer publish those kinds of photos, send them an email or give them a call and see what they say.

borg · « **Reply #6 on:** September 27, 2013, 10:49 »

Thanks!

If they tell me that is valuable... I'll post here!

Otherwise, I can only embarrass myself here... $:-\$

Whole afternoon I'm trying to get same effect onto my camera... With water drops, dust, etc. but nothing even close...!

stockastic · « **Reply #7 on:** September 27, 2013, 10:59 »

Jeez if there is anything worse than a so-called "photo of a UFO", it's someone claiming they have one, but not showing it to you.

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #8 on:** September 27, 2013, 11:02 »

Before to put this image on any stock I would propose it to some daily paper or better to some weekly magazine (I think that a monthly is not the most adapted for the subject).
Then I would contact some UFO specialist(s), some UFO association(s), or similar.

And why not the MIB?

borg · « **Reply #9 on:** September 27, 2013, 11:03 »

Quote from: stockastic on September 27, 2013, 10:59

Jeez if there is anything worse than a so-caloled "photo of a UFO", it's someone claiming they have one, but not showing it to you.

I just ask you do you know I good way to publish or sell this kind of photos...? I am not searching for proof is it or not...
Of course that I will show you here, if someone who need or is familiar with this kind of photo tell me that photo has "a weight"!

cathyslife · « **Reply #10 on:** September 27, 2013, 11:04 »

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on September 27, 2013, 11:02

Before to put this image on any stock I would propose it to some daily paper or better to some weekly magazine (I think that a monthly is not the most adapted for the subject).
Then I would contact some UFO specialist(s), some UFO association(s), or similar.

And why not the MIB?

LOL!

stockastic · « **Reply #11 on:** September 27, 2013, 11:14 »

Seriously - I doubt you could get anything for it unless it's really spectacular. As you can imagine, people contact the tabloids every day with "UFO photos".

bunhill · « **Reply #12 on:** September 27, 2013, 12:00 »

Quote from: stockastic on September 27, 2013, 11:14

people contact the tabloids every day with "UFO photos".

Which are nearly always insects caught in motion - apparently sharp in one plane but blurred in another. Insects close up can look like weird objects in the sky. And with no way of gauging the distance they can look more distant.

Interest in these sorts of stories peaks when there is a book or a studio movie being promoted.

Quote from: borg on September 27, 2013, 10:39

I have RAW format to prove it's authentic...

Lol.

XPTO · « **Reply #13 on:** September 27, 2013, 12:19 »

If you have doubts about what's in the picture and you think it's really interesting and different from what's usually seen try contacting a pilot from the Air Force, or a pilot from an Airline company.

They are the best ones to say something because they have seen every type of airplanes in the air, from every possible angle, in every weather and light conditions possible and I don't think they are BS people due to the personality requirements necessary to their professions. Plus they are interested in everything that flies.

These people could be the first ones to give you some credible info about what's in your picture and explain why it can be an airplane or if it's an airplane that it's a very strange image which opens the door for the UFO credibility. Even if it's a Earth UFO.

With this info you may then contact an expert in the UFO field.

All these informations may give a certain credibility to your photo and it's that credibility that may add sale value to it. Without it it will be only one more photo ready to be shredded to pieces in 5 seconds despite the interest it may have.

JPSDK · « **Reply #14 on:** September 27, 2013, 12:57 »

90% of ufos in pictures are insects.

stockastic · « **Reply #15 on:** September 27, 2013, 13:51 »

But could they be extraterrestrial insects?

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #16 on:** September 27, 2013, 13:53 »

Quote from: JPSDK on September 27, 2013, 12:57

90% of ufos in pictures are insects.

..and the other 10% are aliens in spaceships with malfunctioning cloaking devices.

heywoody · « **Reply #17 on:** September 27, 2013, 14:07 »

Did it look anything like these samples

https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=643&q=borg+cube&oq=borg+&gs_l=img.1.1.0l10.1583.4518.0.9956.5.5.0.0.0.0.122.434.4j1.5.0....0...1ac.1.27.img..0.5.434.hWg69rtuXwQ

luissantos84 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 27, 2013, 14:13 »

Quote from: heywoody on September 27, 2013, 14:07

Did it look anything like these samples

https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=643&q=borg+cube&oq=borg+&gs_l=img.1.1.0l10.1583.4518.0.9956.5.5.0.0.0.0.122.434.4j1.5.0....0...1ac.1.27.img..0.5.434.hWg69rtuXwQ

no man, I eat those at breakfast everyday

JPSDK · « **Reply #19 on:** September 27, 2013, 14:14 »

They are the borgs, they are also insects

stockastic · « **Reply #20 on:** September 27, 2013, 15:15 »

It is true, the first guy who is able to shoot "confident alien businessman" and "happy seniors boarding UFO" will make a lot of money.

Ron · « **Reply #21 on:** September 27, 2013, 17:07 »

stockastic 5 - 0 rest

Hahahahaha, stockastic is the unmatched winner in this caption contest.

borg · « **Reply #22 on:** September 27, 2013, 17:20 »

The only thing I know is that it will be interesting to hear your comments ...

We have here lot of completely different characters, from scientific population to totally religious people who who believe in the apparitions of saints...

So, "insect theory" is something what can be true...
But I was trying to do the same several times in place with lot of insects and I didn't catch anything even close to object on that photo...

That photo was sky above the sea, there is not lot of insects.... Also there is reflection of the Sun on that object... Object is very symmetric...

Ron · « **Reply #23 on:** September 27, 2013, 17:22 »

Post a 100% crop? I am really curious.

borg · « **Reply #24 on:** September 27, 2013, 17:24 »

Quote from: bhr on September 27, 2013, 12:00

Quote from: stockastic on September 27, 2013, 11:14
people contact the tabloids every day with "UFO photos".

Which are nearly always insects caught in motion - apparently sharp in one plane but blurred in another. Insects close up can look like weird objects in the sky. And with no way of gauging the distance they can look more distant.

Interest in these sorts of stories peaks when there is a book or a studio movie being promoted.

Quote from: borg on September 27, 2013, 10:39
I have RAW format to prove it's authentic...

Lol.

Do you know for sure how to change and save a RAW image without any sign of manipulation...?

borg · « **Reply #25 on:** September 27, 2013, 17:30 »

Quote from: Ron on September 27, 2013, 17:22

Post a 100% crop? I am really curious.

I know you are, but I don't want to publish, until I get any confirmation from some "connoisseur" that could be "something" in that direction...
Reason for that that I 've seen many "serious" UFO images far worse than mine...

borg · « **Reply #26 on:** September 27, 2013, 17:41 »

But you have to admit that you did not expect such kind of topic...

borg · « **Reply #27 on:** September 27, 2013, 17:45 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on September 27, 2013, 14:13

Quote from: heywoody on September 27, 2013, 14:07
Did it look anything like these samples

https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=643&q=borg+cube&oq=borg+&gs_l=img.1.1.0l10.1583.4518.0.9956.5.5.0.0.0.0.122.434.4j1.5.0....0...1ac.1.27.img..0.5.434.hWg69rtuXwQ

no man, I eat those at breakfast everyday

No Louis! Family Borgia was from Spain, they lived in Rome in 15th century!
As I know, you are from Portugal, several centuries later...

luissantos84 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2013, 17:56 »

show me the picture mate

borg · « **Reply #29 on:** September 27, 2013, 18:02 »

Patience my friends!

I am going to sleep, good night!

P.S.

Please don't look in sky through window this night, who knows who is there...

Of course "The truth is out here!"

enstoker · « **Reply #30 on:** September 27, 2013, 18:47 »

Quote from: stockastic on September 27, 2013, 15:15

It is true, the first guy who is able to shoot "confident alien businessman" and "happy seniors boarding UFO" will make a lot of money.

Brilliant idea.
But, Pssst, not so loud.
Yuri is watching... and already thinking about...

JPSDK · « **Reply #31 on:** September 27, 2013, 21:10 »

Quote from: borg on September 27, 2013, 17:30

Quote from: Ron on September 27, 2013, 17:22
Post a 100% crop? I am really curious.

I know you are, but I don't want to publish, until I get any confirmation from some "connoisseur" that could be "something" in that direction...
Reason for that that I 've seen many "serious" UFO images far worse than mine...

Yes let us see it.
It is us who are the experts, we have seen all kinds of artifacts in our photos. The "connoisseur", cannot confirm anything, since there is nothing to confirm other that it maybe is an uidentified object. No matter what, you are not heading for a big sensation, and you are not going to prove anything with your photo, so you dont have to be carefull with publicing it.

borg · « **Reply #32 on:** September 28, 2013, 06:14 »

Of course I won't! Especially if I don't have any proof that was not an insect or water drop etc.

I don't want to be your ridicule object ...For sure, image is not clear like Enterprise in Star Trek...
So it easy could become subject for your fun and provocation...

I've just asked do you know a way how to try to publish that kind o photos (technically unexplainable)...

Some people gave me correct answer... Big thanks to them for that!

borg · « **Reply #33 on:** September 28, 2013, 06:18 »

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Perry · « **Reply #34 on:** September 28, 2013, 07:54 »

Everything that is zeros and ones can be manipulated, including raw-files.

JPSDK · « **Reply #35 on:** September 28, 2013, 09:57 »

understandable. But bear in mind, that we are not going to ridicule you.

We will munch on the photo with technicalities and lensflares and all, but it will be relatede to the photo.
There is nothing ridiculous with having a strange and unexplainable object on your sensor.
Just throw it out for people to see and judge and comment.

But there is something strange in hiding it.
when you hide it you will be judged by that.

djpadavona · « **Reply #36 on:** September 28, 2013, 21:53 »

Several diverse, happy teens, plus E.T. all jumping in the air on a green grass hill with blue sky overhead for copy space. That's the money shot.

luismmolina · « **Reply #37 on:** September 29, 2013, 01:58 »

I want to see it!!

XPTO · « **Reply #38 on:** September 29, 2013, 02:01 »

Borg, do what I said, print a sample even from the raw file or take a laptop computer, contact airplane pilots from the civil and military and show them personally.

Your photo only will gain commercial value after being analyzed by credible people, especially those in contact with flying objects on a daily basis.

If you're able to get them to testify that it's really an UFO (even if they cannot say it's alien) and not an insect or another plane in a strange position with a strange light hitting it, get the image published in a newspaper to get attention to it. Only after that I believe you can turn the image into profit if it draws enough attention.

Ron · « **Reply #39 on:** September 29, 2013, 02:07 »

Why not do the opposite first, show it here and let people decide if its not something else, before talking to pilots? If no one here cant confirm its a bug or a fluke, its worth talking to a pilot. Not the other way around IMO.

borg · « **Reply #40 on:** September 29, 2013, 06:32 »

My pic looks like this, but little bit sharper... The dome is much clearly visible on my pic, the sun glare and very sharp seagulls around, but seagulls are at a distance of 50m, the object appears to be much further...
Object looks symetric, not like some blur motion...

As I said, looks similar to this!

Thanks for your constructive answers...
I'll post here after contact and some opinions of people who knows more...

DF_Studios · « **Reply #41 on:** September 29, 2013, 06:58 »

My full length alien shot has sold a number of times on DT http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-isolated-alien-outer-space-image22654425

XPTO · « **Reply #42 on:** September 29, 2013, 10:42 »

Quote from: Ron on September 29, 2013, 02:07

Why not do the opposite first, show it here and let people decide if its not something else, before talking to pilots? If no one here cant confirm its a bug or a fluke, its worth talking to a pilot. Not the other way around IMO.

Ron, I'm advising Borg to talk to pilots first because it's extremely clear (and repeatedly mentioned) that he doesn't want to show it here.

And I can agree with him. He posts it here and soon it's spread all over the Internet and the image loses all the potential commercial value it may have.

Asking for credible opinion may be a selling argument to a newspaper, if not THE selling argument, and later to other publications interested in it.

borg · « **Reply #43 on:** September 29, 2013, 10:56 »

Quote from: XPTO on September 29, 2013, 10:42

Quote from: Ron on September 29, 2013, 02:07
Why not do the opposite first, show it here and let people decide if its not something else, before talking to pilots? If no one here cant confirm its a bug or a fluke, its worth talking to a pilot. Not the other way around IMO.

Ron, I'm advising Borg to talk to pilots first because it's extremely clear (and repeatedly mentioned) that he doesn't want to show it here.

And I can agree with him. He posts it here and soon it's spread all over the Internet and the image loses all the potential commercial value it may have.

Asking for credible opinion may be a selling argument to a newspaper, if not THE selling argument, and later to other publications interested in it.

Exactly!
Thank you very much!

I am exploring over Internet these days, which "ufology site" has credibility...
As I said before, there is a lot pics of ufos, many of them are far much worse than mine...

I've asked Alamy support also (because price is higher there) what is the best option to publish on Alamy that kind of news...
It's weekend so probably I have to wait till tommorw...

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #44 on:** September 29, 2013, 11:01 »

Well, the thing that is posted just looks like an indeterminate smudge to me. Maybe it is flying (if it isn't something on the lens, perhaps the rear element), it's definitely unidentifiable and it must be an object so I guess it is a UFO - but there is nothing to indicate that it came from somewhere other than our own planet. I couldn't imagine it selling on its own strenghts, but if you cobbled a good yarn together to go with it then one of the more fictional "news" papers might pay a small fee, I suppose.

borg · « **Reply #45 on:** September 29, 2013, 12:42 »

I am not planning to get rich with that photo, but I don't want to give it for free if it can have some "weight" in UFO world... Quite similar to every other editorial or news photo...
When I noticed something unusual on my photo what looks like UFO, I was going on Internet to find something similar...
Then I noticed that my pics isn't something spectacular, but it is quite better then many other "authentic" images...

So, does is camera error or not, or is it UFO or not, doesn't matter... I am not some "trekie" or "jedi" fan...

Image looks like UFO much more than many others, only what I can guarantee that it is not digital or any kind of photo manipulation...

I will wait to hear what Alamy support can tell about it...

JPSDK · « **Reply #46 on:** September 29, 2013, 15:16 »

The above photo is most likely a small beetle of the genus Meligethes, 1-3 cm in front of the lens.

Note DOF and both horizontal and vertical motionblur.

ComfortEagle2095 · « **Reply #47 on:** September 29, 2013, 15:34 »

<snip>

I am exploring over Internet these days, which "ufology site" has credibility...

</snip>

Yeah, good luck with that.

borg · « **Reply #48 on:** September 30, 2013, 11:21 »

Quote from: ComfortEagle2095 on September 29, 2013, 15:34

<snip>

I am exploring over Internet these days, which "ufology site" has credibility...

</snip>

Yeah, good luck with that.

Not which site has credibility with Obama's administration (and FDA ;-)), only between UFO associations...

Please see this: http://www.ufocasebook.com/visland112505.html
and this:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/

mike ledray · « **Reply #49 on:** September 30, 2013, 13:06 »

UFO's are Everywhere!
You just have to look for them and be ready with your camera.

Real UFO captured flying above my house, the Air Force and other officials would neither confirm nor deny the evidence presented before them in my photos.

But I know they are Real!
I have Proof!!!!

borg · « **Reply #50 on:** September 30, 2013, 13:42 »

Maybe it's UFO, but for sure is "poor lightning"...

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #51 on:** October 01, 2013, 12:54 »

None

Try National Enquirer or The Star. They have to get their cover shots of "Amazing real photo of a UFO" from someone. And not an agency to start with. There's not a big market and you might even be able to play up the "Exclusive" to some rag that wants to be the only one to have it.

Two quick points. UFOs are real. If it's flying and it's unidentified it's a UFO. The sample shot looks like the blurred back of a plane, nothing amazing. But it's a UFO.

The whole Alien Technology and visitors is a vivid imagination of what it might have been, too many 50s sci-fi movies, when (point two) 95% of all UFO sightings are explainable. Even J. Allen Hynek admits that. [Project Bluebook]

If you need to BELIEVE to accept UFOs as alien visitors, it's not science it's religion. If you will only accept solid repeatable evident, that has been verified, then it's science.

Quote from: borg on September 29, 2013, 10:56

I am exploring over Internet these days, which "ufology site" has credibility...
As I said before, there is a lot pics of ufos, many of them are far much worse than mine...

borg · « **Reply #52 on:** October 02, 2013, 06:39 »

Thank you for direct answer!

It seems that National Enquirer is not available for my area... I'm getting this message after click on their link.

borg · « **Reply #53 on:** October 08, 2013, 11:17 »

http://www.alamy.com/image-details-popup.asp?&n=NaN&imageid={561E6B2D-7AB7-4EB9-8F2B-368CE08F5767}

Ron · « **Reply #54 on:** October 08, 2013, 11:39 »

Why did you put it up on Alamy without any special pricing? I thought you were going to sell it off to a magazine for big bucks.

borg · « **Reply #55 on:** October 08, 2013, 13:05 »

Quote from: Ron on October 08, 2013, 11:39

Why did you put it up on Alamy without any special pricing? I thought you were going to sell it off to a magazine for big bucks.

I thought that on this way image can be published in multiple magazines...
Can I change it?

Also, no answer from any magazine so far...

JPSDK · « **Reply #56 on:** October 08, 2013, 14:22 »

It cant. Or not likely, as it is now, the picture could be anything.

The picture is nothing without the story.

You should much rather have published the picture in the local newspaper, with the dramatic story of how you captured it.

borg · « **Reply #57 on:** October 08, 2013, 14:56 »

There was no anything dramatic... I was on the beach and I have camera that day with me... That is all!

Image will wait on Alamy so that is all about it..

P.S.

Or find me a good buyer and I'll give you 25%-33% of earning...

borg · « **Reply #58 on:** October 15, 2013, 16:01 »

What!? No comments any more! You can see the image on Alamy now...

Please see link above...

bunhill · « **Reply #59 on:** October 15, 2013, 17:31 »

Quote from: borg on October 15, 2013, 16:01

What!? No comments any more! You can see the image on Alamy now...
Please see link above...

Your camera sensor badly needs cleaning.

JPSDK · « **Reply #60 on:** October 15, 2013, 21:02 »

The problem here is that you got all excited because you thought you had photographed a ufo in the form of an alien spaceship.
You present the picture to us, in super small size, so we have no chance to see what it is or analyze it.

So what do you expect?

Should we all cheer you for having photographed a ufo?
For having a picture of a ufo? ( that can be done better in photoshop).
Should we comment on the way you handle the whole matter?

as I said, 95% of the ufos people think they photograph are insects.
Im not sure about yours, I cannot analyze it properly, without seeing the full image and knowing exif.
And you dont provide those data, so what can we do?

So it will remain an UAD (Unidentified Artefact in a Digital file).
And they are many and not very interesting.

Give me access to the full size, untouched file, and I shall analyze it for you. And yes, I have done that before with peoples "Ufo" pictures.

borg · « **Reply #61 on:** October 16, 2013, 02:56 »

Ok. Fair enough!
How can I send to you that image in full resolution and which format!?

Also if there is a chance that could be UFO, I am giving 33% of earnings who find adequate publisher which is willing to publish that photo...

mtkang · « **Reply #62 on:** October 16, 2013, 10:46 »

why not just contact all the news and magazines? alamy or other agency will need to look for buyer or i don't know a buyer who is interested of ufo will look for stock agency.

JPSDK · « **Reply #63 on:** October 16, 2013, 13:12 »

Argumentation can be provided, why it is not an alien spaceship.
But it would take long and be boring.

It starts with the definition of life, and so far, Hollywood and the media, have no understanding, but just picture life as a carbon based symetrical form that operates in the atom x 6,2 x 10 x 23 space, just like we do.

That is so narrow minded. Alian life might be based on extracting energy from sulfor, magnetism, electricity or pressure differences.

Life might be assymetric, based on plasma streams or gravity fields.

Such life would not appear in spaceships we could recognize. Also, they would not be interested in visiting places where space energy was close to zero.

Such life would just crawl through us or, dependant on size, just crawl through our planet.
That would not be nice, so its good that they dont bother to come here.

stocker2011 · « **Reply #64 on:** October 16, 2013, 13:32 »

Agreed, my current opinion is that if an alien life form were to visit earth it would almost certainly be invisible to our eyes and would be a probe that may just hover around our atmosphere collecting data to bring back to a higher intelligence to examine, because if they were technologically advanced enough to get here from another part of the universe (or dimension?) then we would almost certainly not be the first life form they have encountered.

Sorry to go off-topic

BImages · « **Reply #65 on:** October 16, 2013, 13:44 »

It's an insect flying...

bunhill · « **Reply #66 on:** October 16, 2013, 14:01 »

Quote from: Buzbuzzer on October 16, 2013, 13:44

It's an insect flying...

yep. Very close to the camera - much much closer to us than the bird and hence out of focus.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #67 on:** October 16, 2013, 14:08 »

Quote from: bhr on October 16, 2013, 14:01

Quote from: Buzbuzzer on October 16, 2013, 13:44
It's an insect flying...

yep. Very close to the camera - much much closer to us than the bird and hence out of focus.

or very far

bunhill · « **Reply #68 on:** October 16, 2013, 14:13 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on October 16, 2013, 14:08

Quote from: bhr on October 16, 2013, 14:01
Quote from: Buzbuzzer on October 16, 2013, 13:44
It's an insect flying...

yep. Very close to the camera - much much closer to us than the bird and hence out of focus.

or very far

If you focus on a bird at that distance I should have thought that everything to infinity would be in focus. Only foreground stuff would be out of focus.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #69 on:** October 16, 2013, 14:45 »

Quote from: bhr on October 16, 2013, 14:13

Quote from: luissantos84 on October 16, 2013, 14:08
Quote from: bhr on October 16, 2013, 14:01
Quote from: Buzbuzzer on October 16, 2013, 13:44
It's an insect flying...

yep. Very close to the camera - much much closer to us than the bird and hence out of focus.

or very far

If you focus on a bird at that distance I should have thought that everything to infinity would be in focus. Only foreground stuff would be out of focus.

or it is an UFO

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