Author Topic: money images rejected for copyright (Read 8994 times)

chasmcn · « **on:** October 11, 2009, 02:44 »

hi

Can i ask a question of the more experienced people in microstock on this forum , i have just been accepted into shuttershock with 8 images out of the ten i presented ,the two that were rejected were shots of english currency on the grounds of copyright .

These images have been accepted by all the other sites i have registered on. iam missing something on shuttershock .

thank you for reading

chasmcn

sharpshot · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2009, 03:41 »

A while ago shutterstock deleted all their photos of the British currency, even old Victorian coins. Some still get through now but they shouldn't. The other sites should also ban photos of the UK currency, I looked in to it and we are not supposed to sell them without permission.

ibogdan · « **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2009, 04:08 »

I also got rejected on SS and FT the last days one image of a dollar bill by reason of copyright. I don't understand why, there are a lot of pictures with american currency. Can someone explain please?

snaprender · « **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2009, 11:56 »

If it looks like a flat scan of the american money, it would get rejected for copyright. If you using where its like sticking out of a wallet or something like that, I believe that is okay. Its hard to tell without seeing the picture.

madelaide · « **Reply #4 on:** October 11, 2009, 13:26 »

I have several images using banknotes, all I believe taken at angle and with shallow DOF, so a lot is oof. Also some are cropped.

But concern about this may have increased lately, too.

Search for banknotes here in the forum, there was a link for a site where you can get specific restrictions from each currency.

reckless · « **Reply #5 on:** October 11, 2009, 14:17 »

If you are able to get a flat picture of American money into Photoshop, you are very lucky. I imagine British money is the same way. They are having too much trouble with conterfited money because of the high quality of home printers.

chasmcn · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2009, 14:57 »

here are my 2 images that were rejected on copyright

antoniodalbore · « **Reply #7 on:** October 11, 2009, 15:05 »

One of my recent microstock project was dedicated to currencies and money and also to me happened that almost 30% of the submissions where refused because of the copyright issue.

Still, have a look on the lightbox made of the ones accepted to understand about iStock policy.

Bye!

Antonio

mwp1969 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 11, 2009, 22:19 »

From what I've heard ... any type of currency with the Queen of England on it (paper or coin) is restricted. That expands the currency to all of the countries in that are part of the Commonwealth which I believe include the likes of Australia and Canada which have the queen on their currencies.

Also ... regarding U.S. Currency flat money use to be accepted but is no longer accepted at Shutterstock. New shots of US Currency are okay if it is used in fashions where there is not a complete single "scan" of a single bill within the image.

My two cents ...

Mark

suwanneeredhead · « **Reply #9 on:** October 11, 2009, 22:28 »

And did you ever notice the Euro has the copyright "C" on it? Those should be rejected for copyright categorically every time, but they show up everywhere.

The flat scans or images are being restricted now because of counterfeiting problems, pure and simple. That's why its okay to have a bill sticking out of someone's pocket or a piggy bank, its impossible to print a bill from an image like that and pass it at your local convenience store.

Modern British currency with Queen Elizabeth on it, from whatever country it is issued, has always been banned for copyright, by mandate of the British government. Personally I like to do my homework before I spend all that time shooting and post-processing images that could potentially present copyright or legal problems.

qwerty · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:14 »

I find it amusing that people are worried about people sourcing their content for counterfitting from Microstock.

Why would you pay $10 for a flat scan of a $1 note.

under the licence conditions would you need an extended licence ?
surely if your going to make fake money you could get hold of a real $100
maybe counterfitters don't have scanners.

travelstock · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:38 »

Quote from: qwerty on October 12, 2009, 01:14

I find it amusing that people are worried about people sourcing their content for counterfitting from Microstock.

Why would you pay $10 for a flat scan of a $1 note.
under the licence conditions would you need an extended licence ?
surely if your going to make fake money you could get hold of a real $100
maybe counterfitters don't have scanners.

I was thinking exactly the same thing... funny stuff!

basti · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2009, 02:09 »

As I wrote already before on some other similar thread - ALL money were made and designed by someone and so ALL ARE copyrighted! The fact that microstock agencies do not refuse all is really crazy, dunno about their rules but I see serious copyright issues anytime I look on some micro portfolios. Stamps, banknotes, coins, car parts (yes, even car detail is copyrighted), cameras with vera familiar shape just with cloned-out logo etc...

Adeptris · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2009, 02:30 »

More an issue with the designers IP for full image banknotes, as for the queens likeness would not any image with a Recognizable person require a Model Release for commercial use.

Copyright is a funny area, look at a simple thing like playing cards, the patterns on the back are copyright protected, the design of the Aces are copyright protected but the other pictures which to me are more likely to be different are not copyright protected.

In the rejected images the notes can be seen as the primary subjects, with banknotes in a wallet or sticking out from the slot in a 'piggy bank' the notes may be seen as secondary and part of a composite image where possibly no object is the primary subject, if the image was a small table with a wallet, loose notes, stack of coins and keys spread out it should be ok, but the rules maybe seen differently by different sites or inspectors.

David

qwerty · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2009, 03:35 »

Quote from: suwanneeredhead on October 11, 2009, 22:28

And did you ever notice the Euro has the copyright "C" on it? Those should be rejected for copyright categorically every time, but they show up everywhere.

The flat scans or images are being restricted now because of counterfeiting problems, pure and simple. That's why its okay to have a bill sticking out of someone's pocket or a piggy bank, its impossible to print a bill from an image like that and pass it at your local convenience store.

Modern British currency with Queen Elizabeth on it, from whatever country it is issued, has always been banned for copyright, by mandate of the British government. Personally I like to do my homework before I spend all that time shooting and post-processing images that could potentially present copyright or legal problems.

Hong Kong dollars (those from HSBC atleast) have copywrite on them too, you see some showing the name of the bank HSBC on some microstock sites

cathyslife · « **Reply #15 on:** October 12, 2009, 08:05 »

As I wrote already before on some other similar thread - ALL money were made and designed by someone and so ALL ARE copyrighted! The fact that microstock agencies do not refuse all is really crazy, dunno about their rules but I see serious copyright issues anytime I look on some micro portfolios. Stamps, banknotes, coins, car parts (yes, even car detail is copyrighted), cameras with vera familiar shape just with cloned-out logo etc...

And yet I keep seeing scans of stamps passing through the q's all the time! There is no consistency. Some people seem to be able to get them through and some don't. If figurines made in China are copyrighted, it seems to me that money and stamps would most certainly be and there shouldn't be any part of a banknote or stamp passing through. As part of a larger picture, I agree it shouldn't be an issue.

Microstock...go figure.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #16 on:** October 12, 2009, 10:25 »

Quote from: cclapper on October 12, 2009, 08:05

As I wrote already before on some other similar thread - ALL money were made and designed by someone and so ALL ARE copyrighted! The fact that microstock agencies do not refuse all is really crazy, dunno about their rules but I see serious copyright issues anytime I look on some micro portfolios. Stamps, banknotes, coins, car parts (yes, even car detail is copyrighted), cameras with vera familiar shape just with cloned-out logo etc...

And yet I keep seeing scans of stamps passing through the q's all the time! There is no consistency. Some people seem to be able to get them through and some don't. If figurines made in China are copyrighted, it seems to me that money and stamps would most certainly be and there shouldn't be any part of a banknote or stamp passing through. As part of a larger picture, I agree it shouldn't be an issue.

Microstock...go figure.

Some stamps are PD others are not. Some countries you can copy any stamps, some countries you can't even use a canceled stamp, all use prohibited. I posted a link awhile back with a list of countries and their regulations, it's very complicated. USA Canceled prior to 1974 are PD, all stamps after that are copyright USPS, which went into marketing images and designs on their own. Simply put, no USA stamps 1978 or after, canceled or not, are in the public domain.

Some of the images on IS and SS of newer uncanceled US stamps are Editorial. End user is responsible for final usage.

Currently most agencies are refusing stamps for too many like this or these don't sell well. FT, DT, and Panther are instant refusals for those reasons starting in Feb. 2009. StockXpert was deactivating stamps of dead people. (Go figure that out. What does it usually take to be on a stamp?) 123RF almost no market, sales are rare. Results may vary, but that's what I found.

As for the topic, currency. Some things are the same, some countries, nothing may be used, others almost anything may be used... if it's not a flat scan. But the general guideline as others have stated above would be, if it's not the main subject, or it is only incidental to the composition, then it's OK. There's a matter of usefulness and need, but I won't pretend to be a judge of that.

UK Banknotes, the international copyright symbol is included on the front and the back of the note, also around the edge of the watermark area.

Hey look, I found the link!

What it means is you must research every country individually, before you make a scan and hope the agency also watches this as closely.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stamps/Public_domain

There is software for COMPLETE NOVELTY BANKNOTE MAKING CD which means you could make your own, real looking, fantasy banknotes and use them in your compositions, you own the rights and they are all yours. Kind of like, print your own stage money.

Last of all, here's one site offering Free bank note images, for download. FREE! Which is cheaper than micro if someone searches the web at all.

http://www.publicdomainpictures.net/view-image.php?picture=national-banknotes&image=4095

Adeptris · « **Reply #17 on:** October 12, 2009, 10:57 »

Possible copyright issues with a potential for real ID fruad, check out these guys!
All US items I am from the UK, so are these fun or could they be used for illegal uses?

http://www.overnight21.com/

David

Jonathan Ross · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2009, 22:09 »

Hi All,

Try working on a photo of an american dollar bill in PS4 and see what happens. I had a shot of a till drawer open showing the money all neatly in it's separate slots and even though they were covered with those metal bars that hold the money in place PS would not open or work on the file due to the fact it was to clear a shot of american currency, it is built into the software to keep counterfeiters from copying the bills.

Best,
Jonathan

gostwyck · « **Reply #19 on:** October 13, 2009, 22:35 »

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on October 13, 2009, 22:09

Hi All,

Try working on a photo of an american dollar bill in PS4 and see what happens. I had a shot of a till drawer open showing the money all neatly in it's separate slots and even though they were covered with those metal bars that hold the money in place PS would not open or work on the file due to the fact it was to clear a shot of american currency, it is built into the software to keep counterfeiters from copying the bills.

Best,
Jonathan

Wow! Impressive or scary?

cascoly · « **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2009, 14:06 »

and of course, there's the usual reviewer inconsistencies -- i just submitted 5 money images of indian rupees to DT - they accepted 2, and rejected the others based on 'potential copyright', even though all images showed the same bills!

biedy · « **Reply #21 on:** December 20, 2009, 12:40 »

And uploading images of coins and notes as RM to Alamy? Any experience or thoughts?

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