Author Topic: More bad news on economy (Read 22937 times)

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #75 on:** October 20, 2009, 14:19 »

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on October 20, 2009, 13:31

Hi All,

Not to change up the subject completely but there is a correlation here to what I was getting at you might find it not relative but I do. How many of you are getting a 50/50 split with your agency. That is what stock used to be before RF it was even 60/40 at some agencies in favor of the photographer. Why did it change when the cost of supplying those images dropped dramatically for the agencies during this same time thanks to the internet? I was of the understanding that a forum was for us to support one another about the industry and what we can offer each other to help move ourselves along and have some form of shared understanding, the sharing of knowledge. Knowledge is power and the knowledge I offered is power for anyone that can find it.

Well, royalty rates and such are public knowledge. And we do discuss and complain about them already, yes?

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Even asked by an individual who shows no signs on this site as actually being a photographer, more an alter ego of someone else here on the site.

Gostwyck is certainly a photographer. No need to be paranoid.

Noodles · « **Reply #76 on:** October 20, 2009, 14:28 »

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on October 20, 2009, 13:31

Hi All,

Not to change up the subject completely but there is a correlation here to what I was getting at you might find it not relative but I do. How many of you are getting a 50/50 split with your agency. That is what stock used to be before RF it was even 60/40 at some agencies in favor of the photographer. Why did it change when the cost of supplying those images dropped dramatically for the agencies during this same time thanks to the internet? I was of the understanding that a forum was for us to support one another about the industry and what we can offer each other to help move ourselves along and have some form of shared understanding, the sharing of knowledge. Knowledge is power and the knowledge I offered is power for anyone that can find it.
Maybe ask yourself who are you aligning yourself with the agencies or are you just wanting to go it alone. I don't mind some of you not interested in the information but you should really read what some of you have said when I tried to help and offer up information that was asked of me.
Even asked by an individual who shows no signs on this site as actually being a photographer, more an alter ego of someone else here on the site. No one has answered my question. How does me sharing those numbers which I have shared for 11 years with anyone that wanted to know hurt my business. I think I am doing pretty well.
As for not offering information as we get bigger I have found the complete opposite the biggest players are the most generous with their knowledge because they are not of a threatened nature. Maybe that is why the are so successful.

Best,
Jonathan

You say it yourself - "Knowledge is power" mwah ha ha ha ha - I do like openness though but MS is full of wannabe's and leechers - its not such a good place to be open

Jonathan Ross · « **Reply #77 on:** October 20, 2009, 16:26 »

Maybe your right Noodles. Love the name.

Thanks,
Jonathan

melastmohican · « **Reply #78 on:** October 20, 2009, 16:31 »

I think when you are celebrity in any industry people already know you are making a lot of money so there is no reason to hide it. Besides if you so afraid of competitors you close yourself in your own world.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #79 on:** October 20, 2009, 16:58 »

Quote from: Noodles on October 20, 2009, 14:28

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on October 20, 2009, 13:31

You say it yourself - "Knowledge is power" mwah ha ha ha ha - I do like openness though but MS is full of wannabe's and leechers - its not such a good place to be open

Why do you bother coming here? Isn't this a place for sharing --- openly?

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #80 on:** October 20, 2009, 17:16 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on October 20, 2009, 16:58

Why do you bother coming here? Isn't this a place for sharing --- openly?

Uh, no. Unless you feel like it. This is a forum for industry discussion.

Jonathan Ross · « **Reply #81 on:** October 20, 2009, 21:49 »

Hi Warren,

I do try to share openly but it is not always well received and quite often attacked as being a bragger or having some hidden agenda. There are some very good people here and only a couple of people that like to tell others what they offer is wrong. They don't offer solutions they just take and criticize in sometimes a very unpleasant manner.
I realize that is part of the deal with offering info here and I am okay with it. I know that the real problem people are a small number in life as well as this site, they just make the most noise. I won't stop sharing information here. I have been doing so for over a year and I don't have a blog or anything to gain from it. Just like to help others down the path. The cream will always rise and what comes around goes around. Nature has a way of taking care of itself in the long run

Best,
Jonathan

ap · « **Reply #82 on:** October 20, 2009, 22:00 »

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on October 19, 2009, 22:21

Photographers share numbers all the time, at least some do.

that's true, a lot of high profile microstock bloggers religiously share their #s, so it's no shock there. but, it's probably a bit different from other industries where people are more obtuse about it. i think these absolute #s behind the ratios are of real benefit for other photogs to guage their place and how the industry is paying on the whole. but, i also respect those who would rather stay mum, simply because it's more the norm in society.

but, jonathan, what i think is really invaluable is your reportage of how a big macro stocker is venturing into microstock full heartedly and sharing all info. i think that's worthy of a blog, if you don't already have one.

Jonathan Ross · « **Reply #83 on:** October 21, 2009, 11:55 »

Thanks AP,

Maybe a blog someday I haven't approached the idea seriously to much shooting to do : ) But I do appreciate the kind words they mean a lot. I agree that people should be able to choose what they share with others, whatever they are comfortable with. I just don't think that sharing those numbers hurts my business, some people here do, that is their prerogative.

'Best,
Jonathan

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