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« on: November 08, 2019, 13:15 »
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Hello, I thought all of you might enjoy this https://youtu.be/Cpgu8UVrvaM   Would love to hear your opinions on this below! Thanks
« Last Edit: November 08, 2019, 16:54 by jjneff »


« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 14:54 »
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Offtopic,

never use viewed clip links, ending at ...&time=xxx,

only a clear link leads to the normal start of the clip :)

« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 17:15 »
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Thank-you so much! Fixed the link sorry about that!

« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2019, 18:06 »
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Well done. I appreciated hearing what you had to say. I think you hit the mark on all the agencies.

« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2019, 02:41 »
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Love the video!

And I agree that Adobe is fantastic in the way they communicate with artists and the offer of getting a free creative cloud set for a year is very, very generous.

They do need to add better buyer tools. I think at this point buyers still cannot search my portfolio by keyword when they come to my site.

However my personal favorite is blackboxglobal.

It is really simple to just upload once and then let them distribute and they have a wonderfully alive and vibrant community in their facebook group.

The team spirit seems to be even stronger than what I remember from the old istock exclusive days.

I also think having a happily chirping producer community of 50 000 people creates a lot of positive vibes on the net. If they ever decide to also sell direct or maybe add a new stock media division with material for direct licensing, they are well set up to do that.

I hope Adobe improves the buying tools for their customers and then gets a lot more sales.

The more artist friendly sites should also be the most customer friendly sites. I believe that either you know how to be of service to people and can communicate well, or you cant.




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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2019, 04:23 »
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Interesting. Will take a look at Vimeo.

Thanks for sharing!

« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2019, 05:27 »
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Love the video!

However my personal favorite is blackboxglobal.

No one of professional stock contributors will throw away 15% of their commission to give it to black box.
If you use tools like stocksubmitter its same easy, but you have your 15% with you.
Bb only for nobrainers, because its easier.

« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2019, 09:27 »
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I didnt realize that pond5 changed the exclusive rules again, so its back to all or nothing?


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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 09:28 »
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Nice vid by the way, i love having access to info like that!


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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2019, 11:41 »
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Add me to the list of those saying Thank you! This was my first time to watch one of your videos. I enjoyed it and learned something too.

Nice to connect a name and static photo on MSG to an animated face and voice on YouTube. :)

« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2019, 20:55 »
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Thank-you for all the kind comments! I am just tryin to give people good information on this industry. No do do not have to be all Exclusive on Pond5, it started that way and then they changed it which only confused people and was a bod move. I will do my best to keep us all in the loop the best I can. I love BB as well and the 15% is a wash as you get a higher % from SS per download as you would on your own. Not for everyone but it is not a bad choice for stock in my opinion.  I did not include them as they are not a stock agency.

« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2019, 21:53 »
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Love the video!

However my personal favorite is blackboxglobal.

No one of professional stock contributors will throw away 15% of their commission to give it to black box.
If you use tools like stocksubmitter its same easy, but you have your 15% with you.
Bb only for nobrainers, because its easier.
This has been in my mind as well. Why pay that extra 15% for something that stock submitter does. Especially since it allows you to have control of your images.

Don't understand the bit about SS giving higher royalty through blackbox

« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2019, 02:05 »
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Love the video!

However my personal favorite is blackboxglobal.

No one of professional stock contributors will throw away 15% of their commission to give it to black box.
If you use tools like stocksubmitter its same easy, but you have your 15% with you.
Bb only for nobrainers, because its easier.
This has been in my mind as well. Why pay that extra 15% for something that stock submitter does. Especially since it allows you to have control of your images.

Don't understand the bit about SS giving higher royalty through blackbox

Still a newbie but except giving away an extra 15% for someone that might never heard and describe / keyword correct any local or folklore content I upload, I don't get how people are excited that their files are "submitted to all major agencies" without control after all those stories and threads I have read here about "how can I pull my content off {agency}" problems. I don't believe that I produce that high quality that any client will ever ask exclusive rights and I will have to pull a file out of a marketplace, I simply want to have control over my files.

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2019, 06:43 »
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I love BB as well and the 15% is a wash as you get a higher % from SS per download as you would on your own.

Does Blackbox eliminate the $1.50 video downloads?  How does the SS return per download at Blackbox compare to uploading directly to SS (@ 30% royalty level)?
« Last Edit: November 10, 2019, 06:59 by trek »

« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2019, 07:33 »
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I love BB as well and the 15% is a wash as you get a higher % from SS per download as you would on your own.


Since Blackbox is in Canada. Do they disclose the 10% that the IRS withholds for Canadians on Film Royalties? or have they found away around that?

That seems to be more like  23.5% rather than 15%

and Does the CRA withhold another 10% when Blackbox pays out to US residents?
31.2% if that's the case.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2019, 08:13 by martinrichard »

« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2019, 08:19 »
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I can't answer the tax questions, BB gets a higher % than you on your own and passes that along to you so you get more per sale on ShuttterStock. Now keep in mind this service is not for everyone! If you want full control over your work then do not use BB! It is a huge time saver and you need to factor that in as well as time is money. To each their own on this.

« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2019, 08:46 »
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I can't answer the tax questions, BB gets a higher % than you on your own and passes that along to you so you get more per sale on ShuttterStock. Now keep in mind this service is not for everyone! If you want full control over your work then do not use BB! It is a huge time saver and you need to factor that in as well as time is money. To each their own on this.

But how do they get higher percentage? Do they have a special contract with SS?


« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2019, 09:38 »
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Yes they have a different contract with them.

« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2019, 21:00 »
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I'm thinking of trying a test batch.  I like the revenue share (for co-productions) function.  Is there a payout minimum? 

« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2019, 21:01 »
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not sure if there is, might be $100

« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2019, 21:25 »
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I like the revenue share (for co-productions) function.  Is there a payout minimum?

The revenue sharing is the only reason I'd use BB. I wish agencies did this themselves.

And no, I got a $4.66 payout from them once.

« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2019, 21:43 »
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I like the revenue share (for co-productions) function.  Is there a payout minimum?

The revenue sharing is the only reason I'd use BB. I wish agencies did this themselves.

And no, I got a $4.66 payout from them once.

Thanks for the reply.  Another question:

Are there restrictions regarding removing existing material from the agencies and then re-uploading those clips to Blackbox? 
« Last Edit: November 10, 2019, 21:46 by trek »

« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2019, 01:26 »
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They want the material to be exclusive, so you can remove a series and give it to them, however they prefer new material  obviously. They do not  encourage you to give up or close other portfolios, the way pond5 did.

I treat bb as an additional agency.

With 167 of mostly editorial clips I earned 633 dollars in 16 months. I am 100% certain I would have earned less if I had distributed  myself. They are not stellar clips.

They dont just have their own royalty negotiations that an individual contributor cannot do, unless you are a stock machine, they also seem to get better rankings in search engines.

I often find my bb material before clips from my individual portfolio.

However, I will always also send to ny own ports.

For those who complain about the 15%...many of us in photos also work with distributors like cavan, eyeem, westend or even stocksy that distributes via adobe.

But there you anyway get just 50% and with distribution costs, I might just be getting 10% of what the buyer actually paid.

Also pond5 distributes via partners and they take 60%. On a distribution sale you have no idea what your real royalty is.

So distribution via bb is much cheaper than pond5 partner deals.

On vimeo I have clips via bb and also pond5. if both have the same royalty with vimeo then I will get a lot more with bb.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2019, 01:32 by cobalt »

« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2019, 06:56 »
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Another issue I have with BB is when my clips get reviewed, it says "online" in my admin panel.  But, online where?  Which agencies took the clips?  Which agencies rejected any? 

And if some were rejected, what was the reason?  Perhaps it was something that could be fixed simply and resubmitted, but I don't know what the issue was or from where the rejection came from.

« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2019, 07:16 »
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I feel that is a problem and hope in the future it can be addressed, at least let us know what sites accepted our clips.

« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2019, 07:47 »
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I feel that is a problem and hope in the future it can be addressed, at least let us know what sites accepted our clips.

Semi offtopic.

Knowing before accepting any agreement shouldn't be mandatory?

Speaking in general and not for BB, if this helps in the past i have seen some of my clips in a chinese marketplace sold for some hundrends of Yen (some eight to ten euro per item in total i think) through affiliate or whatever called partnerships.

That was such a huge frustration!!

« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2019, 08:00 »
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Another issue I have with BB is when my clips get reviewed, it says "online" in my admin panel.  But, online where?  Which agencies took the clips?  Which agencies rejected any? 

And if some were rejected, what was the reason?  Perhaps it was something that could be fixed simply and resubmitted, but I don't know what the issue was or from where the rejection came from.

That's a big concern.  Especially with Shutterstock's recent rejection of photo releases over penmanship and correctable minutia.  I wouldn't want to left in the dark if old releases need replacement. 




« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2019, 08:19 »
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I dont get info on declines and which agency took what.

But for instance Eyeem also doesnt explain individual declines and you never know which partner took what.

BB has 50 000 contributors but is still a small team.

So unless you want to pay them 50%, I think we will have to live with it for now.

But they have a very active facebook group, many people ask for advice there.

I am not suggesting they are perfect, I just believe they are a very valuable addition to the market and that they have built in sharing tools is a great idea.

Otherwise, just ignore and upload directly  or go exclusive with pond5.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2019, 08:22 by cobalt »

« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2019, 08:47 »
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I like the revenue share (for co-productions) function.  Is there a payout minimum?

The revenue sharing is the only reason I'd use BB. I wish agencies did this themselves.

And no, I got a $4.66 payout from them once.

+1 revenue sharing is great, I'm using BB when I film stuff with friends and colleagues to make it fair for everybody. I'm also using it to do metadata for others when I'm in between shoots. I definitely see BB as an additional agency with good returns, and I keep my own work on my personal portfolios.

« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2019, 15:34 »
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I can't answer the tax questions, BB gets a higher % than you on your own and passes that along to you so you get more per sale on ShuttterStock
Here's an answer about your affirmation from shutterstock (received today):
"Hi,
Please be informed that earnings for all Shutterstock account is same. Earnings of contents completely depends up to the license and subscription that was used for each download, and your earnings tier."

« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2019, 06:35 »
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Like it or not you earn more on BB through SS then you do on SS alone they are just not sharing that! Feel free to ask others as well.

« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2019, 07:18 »
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Like it or not you earn more on BB through SS then you do on SS alone they are just not sharing that! Feel free to ask others as well.

+1.

And it feels good to be part of a community that has something to say and some weight against agencies trying to shaft us. Agencies might be more open to listen to an account that has more than 1 million clips rather than listen to a few individuals with a couple thousands clips. I'm not saying that it will happen but if played carefully, this could help slow down the race to the bottom for videos.

Also, many BB contributors are also buyers, and are encouraged to look for clips within the BB portfolio first in order to support the community... which technically leads to more sales  8)

By far, they come in number 1 position when it comes to caring about contributors, even if they're not really an agency.

« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2019, 08:30 »
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Like it or not you earn more on BB through SS then you do on SS alone they are just not sharing that! Feel free to ask others as well.
How you earn more if commissions are fixed and you pay additional 15%? How much exactly you receive for hd and for 4K?

« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2019, 09:14 »
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Like it or not you earn more on BB through SS then you do on SS alone they are just not sharing that! Feel free to ask others as well.
How you earn more if commissions are fixed and you pay additional 15%? How much exactly you receive for hd and for 4K?

Well i'm also suspicious about the claim that they are getting more, but even telling some numbers won't really make justice in this question, as video commisions are all over the place at SS anyways. In my experience a HD sale can yield anything from 1.5 USD to 140. Maybe most of them seem to be in the 18-25 range with all kind off different numbers but really it seems to me that it can be anything

And Shutterstock doesn't even show if a sale was HD or 4K. I just know that i've had commissions over 100USD even for clips that are not available in 4k
« Last Edit: November 12, 2019, 09:17 by Desintegrator »

« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2019, 10:30 »
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I know someone who negotiated 40% at SS.  So I do believe SS offers higher commission rates under certain conditions.

If I had known this was an option (and I had a good library to negotiate with), I would have tried to get more than the standard 30%.

Oh well.

« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2019, 11:06 »
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Nice video.

I have 2 questions about blackbox , they said "We deal with Shutterstock, Adobe Stock, Pond5, Storyblocks and VimeoStock."

What happens if my videos are already on SS, AS, P5?
What is the advantage of registering with BB?

thanks
« Last Edit: November 12, 2019, 11:10 by christiano »

« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2019, 15:13 »
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Yes they have a different contract with them.

The business model Is probably good at the moment but noone can be sure that this kind of contract will be alive forever...
For this reason I say "no thanks" to BB.
In couple of years It could happen to see royalties going down and down without any chance to opt out.

Finally: it's rare but It happens to receive an exclusive request. I got one few months ago, I was payed near to 1k for eight months exclusivity. And I could not sign the contract without having full control of my production.
Just Do your choice


« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2019, 15:36 »
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Nice video.

I have 2 questions about blackbox , they said "We deal with Shutterstock, Adobe Stock, Pond5, Storyblocks and VimeoStock."

What happens if my videos are already on SS, AS, P5?
What is the advantage of registering with BB?

thanks

bb only takes exclusive content and they prefer new work, not files deactivated elsewhere.

I just treat them as an additional agency.

You can read more about them in their facebook group, they have lots of faqs.

« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2019, 16:41 »
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Well i'm also suspicious about the claim that they are getting more, but even telling some numbers won't really make justice in this question, as video commisions are all over the place at SS anyways. In my experience a HD sale can yield anything from 1.5 USD to 140. Maybe most of them seem to be in the 18-25 range with all kind off different numbers but really it seems to me that it can be anything

And Shutterstock doesn't even show if a sale was HD or 4K. I just know that i've had commissions over 100USD even for clips that are not available in 4k
For 4K you receive around 54$ at shutterstock.
For hd/4K you can receive from 1,5$ and up to 300$
Bb is for newbies that dont want to bother themselves.
If you work professionally you wouldnt pay someone additional 15% and you want control. Thats all.

« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2019, 09:36 »
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Nice video.

I have 2 questions about blackbox , they said "We deal with Shutterstock, Adobe Stock, Pond5, Storyblocks and VimeoStock."

What happens if my videos are already on SS, AS, P5?
What is the advantage of registering with BB?

thanks

bb only takes exclusive content and they prefer new work, not files deactivated elsewhere.

I just treat them as an additional agency.

You can read more about them in their facebook group, they have lots of faqs.

Thanks, I see that is not for me!

« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2019, 16:27 »
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I would not call it exclusive. You can not duplicate files on other sites, you are free to say upload to Getty if you wish as they do not submit to them.

« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2019, 16:37 »
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I would not call it exclusive. You can not duplicate files on other sites, you are free to say upload to Getty if you wish as they do not submit to them.

Hi John, does black box still submit to storyblocks? If so how much do you get for a download as it's now a members sub site?

« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2019, 16:59 »
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Hey, They do not submit to StoryBlocks after their stunt.

« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2019, 23:26 »
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Hey, They do not submit to StoryBlocks after their stunt.

That's fortunate!

« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2019, 07:14 »
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Thanks for sharing the video, very interesting... I upload to Pond 5, SS and Adobe. To me adobe is the most friendly to upload and use, and in the beginning (I started on micro video ending 2017) Adobe was better than SS, whit a rate of 200 $ at month (a bit more a bit less) but since 7 or 8 months Adobe has decrease a lot my sales, today is dificult to make more to 100, when the number of files uploaded has been increased (2.000 clips today)... I dont know why, maybe the Fotalia ending, who knows...

« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2019, 07:23 »
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Adobe has gone down in sales for me as well, It may have to do with Fotolia closing. They were really strong for me in the beginning of the year, hope they pick back up as they are a great agency to work with.

« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2019, 10:55 »
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I dont know why, maybe the Fotalia ending, who knows...

I can't speak as to why sales are lower for you now, but Stock sales has far exceeded Fotolia for some time.  Trust me - I have watched it for a few years.  ;)


« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2019, 11:29 »
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If I look at things in the long run it's not really a recent decrease for me, more like there was an exceptional bump in sales in the first half of 2019. My recent sales are not matching that, but are in line with some slow long term growth.

Could date first half of 2019 bump be some Fotolia users using up dormant credits after seeing that the site will close?

« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2019, 12:10 »
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Decrease is very noticeable, something happened in June and never recovered...

« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2019, 13:28 »
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Decrease is very noticeable, something happened in June and never recovered...

Same here, dead since June with crumbs here and there.


 

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