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« on: July 17, 2010, 22:01 »
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I wanted to make a calendar at Zazzle with NASA images. As discussed before, their images can be used by others for commercial use, as they are considered public domain.

This is what they say at their website:

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Photographs are not protected by copyright unless noted. If copyrighted, permission should be obtained from the copyright owner prior to use. If not copyrighted, photographs may be reproduced and distributed without further permission from NASA.

Now, when I see images credited like this:
"NASA Earth Observatory image created by Jesse Allen, using EO-1 ALI data provided courtesy of the NASA EO-1 team."
or
"NASA image courtesy Jeff Schmaltz, MODIS Rapid Response Team at NASA GSFC."
Are these also public domain?

I'm confused because it seems most images now have credits like these.  Even the famous "Blue marble" series have "Credit: Reto Stockli, NASA Earth Observatory" and even some Hubble images have dubious credits.


« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2010, 01:40 »
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I wanted to make a calendar at Zazzle with NASA images. As discussed before, their images can be used by others for commercial use, as they are considered public domain.

This is what they say at their website:

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Photographs are not protected by copyright unless noted. If copyrighted, permission should be obtained from the copyright owner prior to use. If not copyrighted, photographs may be reproduced and distributed without further permission from NASA.

Now, when I see images credited like this:
"NASA Earth Observatory image created by Jesse Allen, using EO-1 ALI data provided courtesy of the NASA EO-1 team."
or
"NASA image courtesy Jeff Schmaltz, MODIS Rapid Response Team at NASA GSFC."
Are these also public domain?

I'm confused because it seems most images now have credits like these.  Even the famous "Blue marble" series have "Credit: Reto Stockli, NASA Earth Observatory" and even some Hubble images have dubious credits.

There are very FEW images which you can use as you wanted now. You must look harder and even ask for clarification on that. Some authors gave their images to PD and some don't.

« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2010, 05:49 »
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From the Blue Marble website:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/BlueMarble/

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Anyone using or republishing Blue Marble: Next Generation please credit NASAs Earth Observatory.


So this is the only text they require.

« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2010, 12:30 »
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But Maui, if you go to some of the photos here:
http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_set.php?categoryID=2363
like this one:
http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=174
you get a credit like this:
"Image created by Reto Stockli with the help of Alan Nelson, under the leadership of Fritz Hasler"
The Apollo 17 version however:
http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=1597
credits the image only to NASA. Of course, if these guys are all NASA employees, this may be still all public domain.

I guess I will have to contact them for clarification.

« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2010, 15:07 »
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I guess they somehow wanted to mention the individual authors, but the text on the main site is clear enough. I don't see how you can a mistake by using it.

But if you want additional clarification go ahead.

« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 17:37 »
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Got this reply from NASA:

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NASA Regulations for Merchandising Requests

Strict legal regulations govern NASA policy regarding merchandising requests.  Companies interested in producing NASA-related merchandise must notify NASA's Multimedia  Division in writing (E-mail:  [email protected]).  Requests should describe the intended use of NASA imagery on the product.  If possible, layouts or sketches of the product should be included.  When all legal requirements have been met, NASA will send the merchandiser an approval letter.  A general overview of NASA policy follows.

Companies interested in producing NASA-related merchandise have equal access to NASA information.  There is no licensing or exclusivity agreement with NASA.

As a Government Agency, NASA will not promote or endorse or appear to promote or endorse a commercial product, service or activity.  Therefore, there are strict regulations on the use of any of the NASA identities and emblem imagery.  NASA does permit use of the Insignia and other emblems on souvenir items when they are used alone.  For example, in the case of a NASA T-shirt, the name of the company producing the T-shirt can be displayed on the collar tag; however, the T-shirt can only bear the NASA Insignia and no other company logo on the front or back of the shirt.

Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes.  However, there are rules regarding the appearance of astronauts' or NASA employees' faces or names on commercial products.  Astronauts or employees who are currently employed by NASA cannot have their faces or names displayed on any commercial products, advertisements or commercial product packaging.  Astronauts and NASA employees who are retired from the Agency can grant permission for the use of their faces or names, but that permission may be subject to a fee.  For deceased astronauts or employees, their families must grant permission for use of their photos or names.

There are many images (moving and still) in the public domain of unrecognizable astronauts in space suits.  However, in some instances, the astronaut's name may be legible in the photo.  In such a case, we would have to determine if use of it for commercial purposes might infringe on a right of privacy.  Permission from the astronaut could, therefore, be necessary.

When all legal and policy regulations have been met and approval is obtained, the merchandiser may contact the  Photo Department at 202/358-1900 for information to access imagery.

So I understand that previous assumptions that anyone can download images from NASA and use them for merchandise is not correct. We need to get their approval first.

Also got this, although I didn't ask anything about advertisement:
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NASA Regulations for Advertising Requests

Strict legal regulations govern NASA policy regarding advertising requests.  Companies interested in producing NASA-related advertisements must notify NASA's Multimedia Division in writing (E-mail:  [email protected]).  Requests should describe the intended use of NASA imagery in the ads.  If possible, layouts or storyboards of the advertisement should be included.  When all legal requirements have been met, NASA will send the advertiser an approval letter.  A general overview of NASA policy follows.

As a Government Agency, NASA will not promote or endorse or appear to promote or endorse a commercial product, service or activity.  Therefore, there are strict regulations on the use of any of the NASA identities and emblem imagery in advertisements. 

NASA does not permit use of the insignia and other NASA indicia in advertisements.  Any use of the NASA identity on spacesuits and on the Shuttle is generally not permitted unless authorized by Headquarters Public Affairs.

Any references to NASA in an advertisement must be factually accurate.

Many NASA images and most film and video footage are in the public domain can be used for advertising purposes.  However, there are rules regarding the appearance of astronauts or NASA employees or names in commercial activities.  Astronauts or employees who are currently employed by NASA cannot have their likenesses or names displayed on any commercial products, advertisements or commercial product packaging.  Astronauts and NASA employees who are retired from the Agency can grant permission for the use of their likenesses or names, but that permission may be subject to a fee.  For deceased astronauts or employees, their families must grant permission for use of their images or names.

Commercials are not permitted to be shot at NASA Centers.

  The NASA Insignia cannot appear on websites that contain open advertising unless approved by the Associate Administrator for Public Affairs. 

When all legal and policy regulations have been met and approval is obtained, the advertiser may contact the  Photo Department at 202/358-1900 for information to access imagery.

« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 03:33 »
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Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes.

Public domain is public domain. Just make sure that you only use images that are designated as public domain.

RT


« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 04:06 »
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Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes.  However, there are rules regarding the appearance of astronauts' or NASA employees' faces or names on commercial products.  Astronauts or employees who are currently employed by NASA cannot have their faces or names displayed on any commercial products, advertisements or commercial product packaging.  Astronauts and NASA employees who are retired from the Agency can grant permission for the use of their faces or names, but that permission may be subject to a fee.  For deceased astronauts or employees, their families must grant permission for use of their photos or names.

There are many images (moving and still) in the public domain of unrecognizable astronauts in space suits.  However, in some instances, the astronaut's name may be legible in the photo.  In such a case, we would have to determine if use of it for commercial purposes might infringe on a right of privacy.  Permission from the astronaut could, therefore, be necessary.

Can't get much clearer than that. You can use the images for commercial use including merchandising but if the image features a face or name of an astronaut/NASA employee you'll need a model release, and if they're a current NASA employee you won't get one.

RacePhoto

« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 05:54 »
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Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes.

Public domain is public domain. Just make sure that you only use images that are designated as public domain.

Just what I was going to point out, same as you. Reading all the extra conditions which are about NASA logos, the name NASA, the astronauts, workers, any people, and anything else, is irrelevant.

Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes.

There's the answer!

You can give credit to the people who created the image and NASA which would be courtious and identify the images source. It wouldn't devalue the calendar and may enhance the value?

Microbius

« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 09:24 »
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Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes.

Public domain is public domain. Just make sure that you only use images that are designated as public domain.

Just what I was going to point out, same as you. Reading all the extra conditions which are about NASA logos, the name NASA, the astronauts, workers, any people, and anything else, is irrelevant.

Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes.

There's the answer!

You can give credit to the people who created the image and NASA which would be courtious and identify the images source. It wouldn't devalue the calendar and may enhance the value?

I think you might be making things more difficult or complicated by crediting NASA. The thing they seem tetchy about is being seen to endorse a product, so when their name or logo appears things get more complex. It seems that they are happy to have most of their stuff used (unless otherwise stated), so as long as the image is one of the many in the public domain I would just go ahead.

« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 16:18 »
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We can use "most" public domain images, that is clear. They add further restrictions aboout people and names. They don't say this is the only restriction.

And they begin by saying "Strict legal regulations govern NASA policy regarding merchandising requests.  Companies interested in producing NASA-related merchandise must notify NASA's Multimedia  Division in writing (E-mail:  [email protected])."

Should we ignore this request, is that what you say?

RT


« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 17:31 »
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Adelaide I think you're confusing yourself, this is what they mean by NASA-related merchandise:

http://www.thespaceshop.com/naloteeshgr.html

Using the public domain NASA images to make a calender isn't the same thing, as long as you don't use their logo or as mentioned earlier images of employees then you'll be fine IMO. If you're that concerned about it make sure you add a statement to the effect that NASA are not affiliated or in anyway endorse the product.

You've got an email address, write to them and tell them what you're doing, if they're bothered they'll let you know.

« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 20:33 »
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My email to them, for which I got the reply posted here, was very specific.
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I was planning to print calendars with NASA images. I read in many of NASA's sub-sites:
"NASA material is not protected by copyright unless noted. If copyrighted, permission should be obtained from the copyright owner prior to use."

However, some images show extra credits, which I am not sure that are meant to identify a copyright owner other than NASA only.

For instance, in the Blue Marble collection, while the original Apollo 17 image has a simple credit "Image courtesy NASA Johnson Space Center", the new versions have credits to people and other agencies: "NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Image by Reto Stckli (land surface, shallow water, clouds). Enhancements by Robert Simmon (ocean color, compositing, 3D globes, animation). Data and technical support: MODIS Land Group; MODIS Science Data Support Team; MODIS Atmosphere Group; MODIS Ocean Group Additional data: USGS EROS Data Center (topography); USGS Terrestrial Remote Sensing Flagstaff Field Center (Antarctica); Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (city lights)."

So, despite nominal credits like in the example above, are these images also public domain?

Also, many astronomical images are credit to NASA and ESA, or NASA and a university, are they public domain as well?

Wasn't I clear enough in my email, so I got that reply? ??? In fact, I didn't make it clear to them those calendars would be for sale, but they still understood this was the purpose.

« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 22:18 »
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I wanted to make a calendar at Zazzle with NASA images. As discussed before, their images can be used by others for commercial use, as they are considered public domain.

This is what they say at their website:

Quote
Photographs are not protected by copyright unless noted. If copyrighted, permission should be obtained from the copyright owner prior to use. If not copyrighted, photographs may be reproduced and distributed without further permission from NASA.

Now, when I see images credited like this:
"NASA Earth Observatory image created by Jesse Allen, using EO-1 ALI data provided courtesy of the NASA EO-1 team."
or
"NASA image courtesy Jeff Schmaltz, MODIS Rapid Response Team at NASA GSFC."
Are these also public domain?

I'm confused because it seems most images now have credits like these.  Even the famous "Blue marble" series have "Credit: Reto Stockli, NASA Earth Observatory" and even some Hubble images have dubious credits.

I dont understant why you are so hung up with this thing Zazzle???
What is it? Is it worth time contributing there?
Little salesman of middle salesman of big salesman of blank cheap items dont know how to sell they items little bit costly so they need little/cheap artists to put something on that for $ crumbs.

This Zazzle for me have only sense as I know you thru this forum like a hyperactive philanthropist if you put child's work eg. doodles, sketches and so on and give them money or gifts back thru they sales on this Zazzle thing. It will have more sense for me.

Anyhow sorry if I am rude in first place, but it seams that I cant help to myself.

Microbius

« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2010, 04:44 »
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We can use "most" public domain images, that is clear. They add further restrictions aboout people and names. They don't say this is the only restriction.

And they begin by saying "Strict legal regulations govern NASA policy regarding merchandising requests.  Companies interested in producing NASA-related merchandise must notify NASA's Multimedia  Division in writing (E-mail:  [email protected])."

Should we ignore this request, is that what you say?

RT has put it much better than I did. You are not ignoring it, I was saying that you would be creating more problems by crediting NASA because it might make it seem like you are trying to pass off the calendar as NASA merchandise by putting their name on it. This seems to be the main restriction they place on most of their images "use 'em but don't make it seem like the product is officially associated with NASA"

« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2010, 10:39 »
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You are not ignoring it, I was saying that you would be creating more problems by crediting NASA because it might make it seem like you are trying to pass off the calendar as NASA merchandise by putting their name on it.

But I didn't say I was going to credit NASA. I asked them about images in which the credits (in their sites) are not to NASA only, therefore it wasn't clear if they are public domain as well. Wasn't that clear in my text (see reply #12)?

I believe that NASA+USGS is ok (both are governmental agencies, so public domain is possibly the rule for both), but NASA+ESA is not. NASA+university is possibly ok too, as probably the university was funded by federal budget when working with NASA. NASA+person, how can I know if the person is a NASA employee, therefore being a NASA-only image?

Is it worth time contributing there?
For me, yes.

Microbius

« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2010, 05:02 »
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You can give credit to the people who created the image and NASA which would be courtious and identify the images source. It wouldn't devalue the calendar and may enhance the value?

Sorry, my answer was in reply to the above. I get what you were saying. I will stick you on ignore as you are obviously trying very hard to take everything I say the wrong way, that way I wont irritate you any more by trying to offer advice. Thanks.


« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2010, 11:44 »
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You can give credit to the people who created the image and NASA which would be courtious and identify the images source. It wouldn't devalue the calendar and may enhance the value?

Sorry, my answer was in reply to the above. I get what you were saying. I will stick you on ignore as you are obviously trying very hard to take everything I say the wrong way, that way I wont irritate you any more by trying to offer advice. Thanks.

Was this directed towards me? ???

RacePhoto

« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2010, 21:03 »
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You can give credit to the people who created the image and NASA which would be courtious and identify the images source. It wouldn't devalue the calendar and may enhance the value?

Sorry, my answer was in reply to the above. I get what you were saying. I will stick you on ignore as you are obviously trying very hard to take everything I say the wrong way, that way I wont irritate you any more by trying to offer advice. Thanks.

what was that about?

By the way, I agree with you that adding the credits may cause more problems than just using the images. Perhaps you quoted the wrong message?  ???


 

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