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« on: May 07, 2011, 23:10 »
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My main earner,  Shutterstock,  is accepting only 0- 20% (used to be 30-100%) of my images and sales have dropped to 1/2 of what they used to be.  I am not sure what is going on but I want to see if I can compensate for that.  So I am thinking of adding a few more sites.  Right now I use:

IS (2nd best)
Shutterstock (best but going downhill)
Dreamstime (3rd best)
Fotolia (slow earner)
BigStock (slow earner)
Veer  (starting to pay off pretty well)
123RF (4th best)
Canstock (slow)
Alamy (very slow)

I do not do model work but pretty much anything else.   Can I get some recommendations of other sites that would be good to add.


« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2011, 23:52 »
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You are already on 9 sites, the only one I can't see in the "middle tier" is Panthermedia, which I haven't submitted too. If you hell bent on submitting to another agency logic would say investigate them.

I think you might be better off spending time trying to get your acceptance rate up than submitting to another 2 low earning sites. Browsing most recent photos on shutterstock should give you an idea on what they're taking at the moment.

« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2011, 02:23 »
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I would add Stockfresh for a few reasons: they have a very quick review process (usually within 1-2 hours), they accept almost everything, they have a fair commission (50% and subs sales are limited to M size) and their site looks clean and nice. The main problem is that the sales are very slow (been there since July 2010 and I only sold 3 images with a portfolio of 700+).

Noodles

« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2011, 03:47 »
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After looking at your IS and SS portfolios, I'd say if you had started a few years back you would be doing quite well or at least ok. Today I'm afraid your portfolio is drowning in a sea of similar portfolios. I would not worry about finding another site - you need to find a niche and/or move up a few creative levels.

« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2011, 04:58 »
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Since you are on the major sites already, I think the quickest way to increase your income would be to try and figure out how to create more salable stock. Or a way to create stock that Shutterstock accepts... Which is probably the same thing as more saleable stock.

That said, if you really want more sites you could check out yaymicro, deposit photos and PantherMedia

« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2011, 10:27 »
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Since you are on the major sites already, I think the quickest way to increase your income would be to try and figure out how to create more salable stock. Or a way to create stock that Shutterstock accepts... Which is probably the same thing as more saleable stock.

That said, if you really want more sites you could check out yaymicro, deposit photos and PantherMedia

Took the words right out of my mouth.  Figure out the "why's" and "what's" before you load to other sites.  Why=Why aint my stuff sellin? Then "what do I need to do to close that gap"...is it key wording, content, composition, lighting, etc.  Step back and look at your work...then look at other hot ports that are similar in content and compare...what's different?  Many ports are awesome because the person is excellent in Photoshop, while others are good because they have PS skills and broad photo and studio skills.  The latter combo is quite powerful.

« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2011, 14:15 »
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panthermedia (they do deliver sales and some nice ones)
graphicleftovers (insanely fast submission, only upload and done)
depositphotos (starting to have some regular sales)
stockfresh (of course they pay a nice 50% and smooth upload too)
pixmac (have a smart portfolio, uploading at this moment there but I do feel they will become "good" and big ones are there too)
scanstockphoto (have only 17 sales but last two months have 7 sales and my last uploads were from Jan 2010, 1EUR per sale always)

« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2011, 10:38 »
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I took a look at your website.  You have some pretty stuff.

I am biased, but I would suggest Cutcaster.com.

:-)

« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2011, 10:42 »
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Thanks for the suggestions.

Several of you suggested, basically, to take better shots.  I know how to do that.  And I may work some on that.   But I never want to make this feel like work.  For instance,  I know that I can get great shots around dawn... but that takes some effort that is borderline...not fun.  Even though I love some of the images that I get.   I know that I can take my 5 in 1 reflector with me to backlight, shade, diffuse, or color a shot.... but that means bringing my wife....who just LOVES to do that.  Or an extra stand to lug around.  I could research what is selling, think of a message, go to a place where I might find an image that would represent that theme... and shoot.   Too much work.

I like going to a fun place and letting the environment stimulate me to take shots as I casually walk around.

I think I am probably doomed to mediocrity.

But it is pretty easy to upload to more sites   ;D

« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2011, 11:30 »
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Bob, I'm with you. Keep it fun. When it feels like "work" then you will lose the passion. Nothing wrong with mediocrity!  ;D

WarrenPrice

« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 11:33 »
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Bob, I'm with you. Keep it fun. When it feels like "work" then you will lose the passion. Nothing wrong with mediocrity!  ;D

Yep.  One step above "micro-ocrity."   ::)

« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 12:06 »
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You can also use the partner network from Zoonar. If your photos are accepted you can get the follwing partner sites including Zoonar:

DDP Images
AGE/THP
Alamy
Photolibrary
Mauritius Images
Picturemaxx
(Fotofinder)
(Picture Alliance)

DDP, Age and Alamy has good sales yet. But it needs a lot of time until your photos are at sale in all agencies (up to 7-8 months). So your earnings just start increasing 8-12 months after submitting photos into the network. And there is no guarantee hat your photos will be accepted for all partners.

« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 13:38 »
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I would add Stockfresh for a few reasons: they have a very quick review process (usually within 1-2 hours), they accept almost everything, they have a fair commission (50% and subs sales are limited to M size) and their site looks clean and nice. The main problem is that the sales are very slow (been there since July 2010 and I only sold 3 images with a portfolio of 700+).

If there sales are as slow as getting approved...I have been waiting so long I have lost track of how long its been..., I am not sure its worth the effort.

« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 13:42 »
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I would add Stockfresh for a few reasons: they have a very quick review process (usually within 1-2 hours), they accept almost everything, they have a fair commission (50% and subs sales are limited to M size) and their site looks clean and nice. The main problem is that the sales are very slow (been there since July 2010 and I only sold 3 images with a portfolio of 700+).

If there sales are as slow as getting approved...I have been waiting so long I have lost track of how long its been..., I am not sure its worth the effort.

By quick review process you mean on a geological time scale I presume (as far as my experience goes anyway). Over 11 months so far.

« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 13:48 »
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I would add Stockfresh for a few reasons: they have a very quick review process (usually within 1-2 hours), they accept almost everything, they have a fair commission (50% and subs sales are limited to M size) and their site looks clean and nice. The main problem is that the sales are very slow (been there since July 2010 and I only sold 3 images with a portfolio of 700+).

If there sales are as slow as getting approved...I have been waiting so long I have lost track of how long its been..., I am not sure its worth the effort.

By quick review process you mean on a geological time scale I presume (as far as my experience goes anyway). Over 11 months so far.
Are you sure that your applications haven't been lost?  I recently got my application approved in a couple of days.

« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2011, 14:25 »
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Thanks for the suggestions.

Several of you suggested, basically, to take better shots.  I know how to do that.  And I may work some on that.   But I never want to make this feel like work.  For instance,  I know that I can get great shots around dawn... but that takes some effort that is borderline...not fun.  Even though I love some of the images that I get.   I know that I can take my 5 in 1 reflector with me to backlight, shade, diffuse, or color a shot.... but that means bringing my wife....who just LOVES to do that.  Or an extra stand to lug around.  I could research what is selling, think of a message, go to a place where I might find an image that would represent that theme... and shoot.   Too much work.

I like going to a fun place and letting the environment stimulate me to take shots as I casually walk around.

I think I am probably doomed to mediocrity.

But it is pretty easy to upload to more sites   ;D

Bob I know what you are feeling but you need to change your stock approach IMHO.. I have also started doing exactly what you do, I would wake up hit the streets shooting everything from trash to benchs to landmarks to brick wall to everything (and mainly to upload heavily) and yes the rejections were insanely high not only because I had very little skills and I know that some might sell one or two times but they will die sooner or later.. Have I stopped doing that?? maybe not 100% but I do not go and shoot everything (maybe because I do have a little of everything already) I tend to pick what would work better (or what I think it would sell better and more appreciated for reviewers)

My advice is regarding buying some lighting (a few strobes perhaps) and do other stuff from models to objects, isolated or not.. do something you never done and it will make you better photographer and more experienced.. sales will go up? maybe not that much but you will be more happy for sure and your approvals will go up too.. and with time and skills you will do fine, I am on the middle of somewhere here and I know that everytime I pick the camera I will do better!

Join the agencies I have told you, dont need to be like this week but with time try other markets beside the big ones but dont expect a lot from them :)

And HECK you have some amazing equipment!!

Canon 7d and now a 5DMkII with the following lenses: 10-20mm f2.8, 17-55mm 2.8, 85mm 1.8, 100mm f2.8L macro, 70-200mm f2.8L

I own a D90 a 18-135 and a 50mm!
« Last Edit: May 09, 2011, 14:28 by luissantos84 »

« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2011, 14:51 »
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I also had to wait a more than a month for my application at Stockfresh but I got upset one day, I mailed them and I was approved within hours. The same thing happened to my referral there, he had to wait two or three weeks, I also mailed them about my referral and he got accepted the same day.
When I was speaking of quick review process, I was thinking to images getting approved/rejected (usually not more than an hour during business days).


« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2011, 16:58 »
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Quote from: luissantos84
I have also started doing exactly what you do, I would wake up hit the streets shooting everything from trash to benchs to landmarks to brick wall to everything (and mainly to upload heavily) and yes the rejections were insanely high

LOL! There are definitely a few who have been down this road literally. After going through this phase, I started developing a more planned approach. Think first about what you might sale, and go find it, or shoot the concept in a studio. But at the same time keep your mind open to the possibilities.  When ever I go on a trip now, I ask myself what's going to pay for this trip. Often the answer to that question isn't the scenic shots I prefer to shoot, but some of the more mundane stuff I knew was on the way to my various destinations, or in some cases the unexpected.

« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2011, 17:02 »
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exactly we need to have the eyes always wide open and one more shoot wont hurt the memory card.. and can be a good pic!

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2011, 17:20 »
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Quote from: luissantos84
I have also started doing exactly what you do, I would wake up hit the streets shooting everything from trash to benchs to landmarks to brick wall to everything (and mainly to upload heavily) and yes the rejections were insanely high

Wrong approach, you forgot pets, skies, sunsets, shores and especially ducks.

And seriously, yes there are many interesting unplanned opportunities on a trip - I find travel photography much more interesting than studio.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2011, 17:25 by microstockphoto.co.uk »

« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 17:25 »
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Quote from: luissantos84
I have also started doing exactly what you do, I would wake up hit the streets shooting everything from trash to benchs to landmarks to brick wall to everything (and mainly to upload heavily) and yes the rejections were insanely high

Wrong approach, you forgot pets, skies, sunsets, shores and especially ducks.

And seriously, yes there are many interesting unplanned opportunities on a trip.

NO NO! I do have a few ducks and skies!! and they sell insanely!!


 

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