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« on: August 19, 2007, 15:33 »
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I used Canon cameras for many years.  I was always an enthusiastic amateur.  But somehow I never felt comfortable with my cameras.  Then, last year, I changed to Nikon and bought a D200.  The D200 is like my best friend - every time I pick it up I am inspired; it feels great and when I take pictures it is as if the camera is an invisible extension of my brain.  I shoot away in my studio with the D200 and a 35mm F2 and I'm in heaven.

Although many peeps have difficulty with the D200, I get excellent results; hell, I've even had 198 out of my last 200 accepted at StockXpert...

But I have always been mindful of advice from Hidesy - submit the largest file sizes possible, because that inspires confidence in buyers.  She uses a Canon 16mp thing; her stuff always shows XXL whereas mine is capped at L.  She tells me this makes a big difference in sales; not in sales of XXL, but buyers see the XXL and think "Ah - a professional......."

But Canon seem to be widening the gap; not content with the 16mp thing, they've now got the 1Diii with two internal processors, now the upcoming 22mp monster and even a 40D with a further two processors.

I notice that all of the top microstockers use Canon - Hidesy, Lise, Yuri, Andre.

I love my Nikon, but I want XXL.  I hope Nikon makes some announcements soon otherwise I'll really have no choice but to change. The D2X is not an option because that only just scrapes XL.



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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2007, 16:13 »
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I heard that Nikon is working on a 18 megapixel (D3x). Don't know if it's true? Does anybody know about this. I have the D200 to and it's keeping my mind that i payed more than other for the same 10 megapixels, but unless this the D200 is exceptional.

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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2007, 21:03 »
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I'm pretty much an amateur and have been shooting Nikon (D50) and Olympus (E-330). The new Canon 40D has my attention and has enough of the right stuff that may make my jump ship. I do love my D50 though and really had my eye on a D200.

« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2007, 21:58 »
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This has been posted on DCResource today:

"Blockbuster week for new cameras ahead
If you like big camera announcements, then you'll want to keep your eyes fixed on the DCRP homepage over the next 10 days or so. Leaks have spoiled some of the surprises (we're don't violate our NDAs), but there are plenty more to come!"

« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2007, 23:51 »
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Well, Canon have made their official announcements, and mighty impressive it is too, with a whole new range of pocket cameras, lenses and of course the 40D and 22mp monster.

Two of the new pocket cameras have CMOS 12mp sensors.

As I indicated earlier, 10mp is now very much 'consumer' and if I want my pics to shout 'professional' I am going to have to make a jump to 16mp pretty soon.

Let's see what Nikon have to say later this week.

Just three or four years ago, 3mp was 'consumer' and 4mp to 6mp was the professional end of the market.  How times change.

With Shutterstock and Fotolia specifying 4mp minimum, how long will it be before 'stock' agencies up the minimum to 6mp or even 8mp?

« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 01:23 »
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IMO, this is getting ridiculous... there is no need in anything above 10 MP unless you go for billboard size, and even then... I believe MP race is near over for any purposes but to impress amateurs with new amazing unbelievable incredible earth-shuttering number of megasuperduperpixels. If your camera works fine for you, you are happy with it and it produces 8-10 MP, there is no slightest reason to switch to 16 or 22 or whatever else marketing machine comes up with.

Especially funny are those megapixels in pocket cameras with their tiny sensors...

« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2007, 01:58 »
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Let's see what Nikon have to say later this week.

The largest investment is glass, not the body. Once you're stuck with one of the two religions (Nikonism or Canonism), there is no cheap way to convert. And whatever Canon comes up with, Nikon will follow sooner or later. And vice versa too.

Whatever the MPs, it's still the sensor size and the glass that counts IMHO.

« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2007, 02:01 »
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I do love my D50 though and really had my eye on a D200.

Then go for it! I'm very pleased with my D200 and it's very robust too. And if you have a couple of Nikon lenses already, there is no cheap way out of Nikon.

« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2007, 16:13 »
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Well, Canon have made their official announcements, and mighty impressive it is too, with a whole new range of pocket cameras, lenses and of course the 40D and 22mp monster.


will be a great little camera ..........if you want to shoot license plates from the  space station.......   I agree, it is getting a bit ridiculous.

I've been shooting Canon since 1969 and I've had no problems with a single one I've had. And I can tell you,  I beat the crap out of them. They've been dropped in rivers, dumped in snow, hiked thru dust storms, desert heat, blizzards.... and keep on shooting for me.  On the other hand, I've a lot of friends that are Nikon people and they can tell the same stories (many times they were right alongside me on shoots).  You can't really go wrong with either one.  They're both top of the line!
    The point was made, that the glass is just as important, if not more.  And if you have a lot of money invested in the lenses...  why jump ship? 
      Nikon vs Canon....  six of one, half dozen of the other has been my experience. They are both great  shooters with great lenses and top of the line accessories.

     I'm shopping now for a 5D. 
« Last Edit: August 23, 2007, 16:06 by a.k.a.-tom »

« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2007, 16:20 »
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This may be an excellent chance for people to get a used Canon 1Ds MkII as pros begin to unload theirs in favor of the newest stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the price for a used one drops below the price of a new 5D - keep your eyes open if you're in the market!

« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2007, 05:44 »
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This may be an excellent chance for people to get a used Canon 1Ds MkII as pros begin to unload theirs in favor of the newest stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the price for a used one drops below the price of a new 5D - keep your eyes open if you're in the market!

Don't count on many used Mark II for sale. 16MP is already on the limit of what some of the Canon L lenses can resolve. With 21MP, that selection will grow even smaller, except for those who use third party glass from Leica or Zess. My guess is that the Mark III will sell much slower than the Mark II, and if Nikon really launches an FF camera on the 23rd, the whole picture will look very different overnight.

Exciting times   :)

« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2007, 07:54 »
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i imagine many would upgrade due to the technology of the process for noise and speed.  Going from the 1Ds (mark 0) to a 5D was a big improvement in both noise and processing speed.  If i wanted a 1D camera i think the 1D markIII would be a fancy upgrade even if i didn't need the pixels.

« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2007, 09:39 »
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With 21MP, that selection will grow even smaller, except for those who use third party glass from Leica or Zess.

It's true but I havent noticed that it is problem with traditional analog photography. Film resolution is about 200 lines per milimeter [lpmm]. New Canon's resolution is 156 lpmm. There is still quite big distance to the resolution of analog film and the lenses are the same.

« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2007, 03:47 »
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Wonderful technological marvels launched today.  However, 12.3mp is not enough to get to XXL at iStock so I see little point in buying a D3 over a D300.

The D300 represents such a significant improvement over my D200 that I'll try to place an advance order tomorrow for possible delivery before the end of the year.

Given the specs of this new machine I suspect there will be long waiting lists well into 2008.

« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2007, 04:03 »
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I was thinking today about ditching my 1Ds MkII for a Mk III. 22MP would allow me a huge amount of downsizing room, and I'd never have to worry about blur or noise.

... perhaps in the new year, when the initial surge has abated a bit.

« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2007, 04:23 »
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The way these things are developing I can see the medium format firms going out of business in a few year's time.

Yes, I know there are differences, but would you choose a Hasselblad over a Canon 1DSiii or whatever 35mp beast they launch in a couple of year's time?

« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2007, 09:23 »
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I just want to know the specs and availability date for the new 5D. 14bit is really required for some of the pics I have to post process. I am wishing for 16 MPix though.


« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2007, 16:57 »
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Two of the new pocket cameras have CMOS 12mp sensors.

Where did you see this?

Anyone see this?

« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2007, 17:41 »
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See DPreview.  The new G9 thing has a 12mp CMOS sensor, so does the new A640 (or something).

The G9 looks like a good thing to tuck in a pocket.  I'd like to see a detailed review first.

« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2007, 17:51 »
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See DPreview.  The new G9 thing has a 12mp CMOS sensor, so does the new A640 (or something).

The G9 has a CCD sensor, not a CMOS sensor.  I am looking at getting this camera, but will wait for the reviews and tests.

The A640 came out last year at this time.

The other P&S Canon cameras that were released a few days ago (the SX100 IS, SD950 IS, SD870 IS, A720 IS, and A650 IS) are also all CCD sensors (unless I am missing something - which is entirely possible).

I have been searching for a good P&S that has a CMOS sensor, but can't seem to find one (that isn't ridiculously priced), but doubt that I will find anything anytime soon.  If you find anything, please let me know.

On the plus side, Canon has invested $450 million in a CMOS plant that will produce chips for both DSLRs and P&S cameras, but that is at least a few years away.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2007, 17:56 by GeoPappas »

« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2007, 17:10 »
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I should modify my original post on Canon's...  Every Canon I've owned since 1969 has been an SLR. All of those I have been very pleased with.

   But  about a year ago I got my wife an A620..  I'm not thrilled with it at all.  The quality of the shot is just not there even though it's more mp than my Rebel... I regret buying it and wish I had just spent a few more bucks and bought her a rebel or xt..
    Soon as I get my 5D, I'll pass my Rebel on to her and sell the 620.  Her former pocket camera was a Sony Cybershot... now that little thing took 'kick-butt'  pictures... just too small.   -tom

« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2007, 18:23 »
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Hi Tom,

I've had an A620 for almost a year and like it very much.  Of course the XTi/400D I've just bought is much better, but the A620 allowed me some nice pics.  Here are some:

http://us.fotolia.com/id/4015568
http://us.fotolia.com/id/2285005
http://us.fotolia.com/id/1705863
http://us.fotolia.com/id/1705863

Maybe you've got a faulty camera?

Regards,
Adelaide

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2007, 19:47 »
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Well, scratch my earlier comment about jumping ship. The D300 announcement is keeping me solidly in Nikon.

« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2007, 23:53 »
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Hi Tom,

I've had an A620 for almost a year and like it very much.  Of course the XTi/400D I've just bought is much better, but the A620 allowed me some nice pics.  Here are some:

http://us.fotolia.com/id/4015568
http://us.fotolia.com/id/2285005
http://us.fotolia.com/id/1705863
http://us.fotolia.com/id/1705863

Maybe you've got a faulty camera?

Regards,
Adelaide


Well I sure can't argue with success!  Nice work!!
     I can't honestly say that every shot that came out of the thing was bad....  it seemed hit and miss.  I didnt have a lot of luck with the thing myself...   could be a bum camera....   then again, could be us too?   

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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2007, 14:49 »
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Hi. Any experience with DX lenses? I just started shooting D2XS after years of film+Nikon Prime lenses... I thought maybe I'd try a zoom lens... 17-55 DX and 35-70 2.8 G... both highly rated, and fairly pricey... but...

I'm now considering going back to prime lenses for sharpness demanded by stock.

Thoughts?


 

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