Author Topic: no such thing as "professional photographers" (Read 10200 times)

OM · « **Reply #25 on:** May 22, 2013, 08:15 »

Gotta luv Wall Street and what they do with stock prices.......AOL net $22 million on more than half a billion of revenues and the stock price triples in a year. Market cap nearly $3 billion giving a p/e of 135.
And in the last 2 years they had an infinite p/e cuz they made losses.

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #26 on:** May 22, 2013, 09:53 »

professional |prəˈfe sh ənl|
adjective
1 [ attrib. ] of, relating to, or connected with a profession : young professional people | the professional schools of Yale and Harvard.
2 (of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime : a professional boxer.

I don't think some half-baked CEO can change the definition of a word.

Xanox · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2013, 10:44 »

Quote from: falstafff on May 22, 2013, 01:06

Well there isnt really. Unless you turn to the world of commissioned photography. I do not think uploading to micros or other stock sources counts as being true pro photography.

as long as you pay all your bills just with earning from photo sales you're indeed a pro photographer.

of course there are pros earning 1000$ per month and pros earning 10 millions per year but that's not the point.

even the lamest wedding photographer is a pro if he can live just with that.

Xanox · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2013, 10:53 »

Marissa Mayer will end up like Carly Fiorina or Carol Bartz .. booted out from angry shareholders or even fired with a phone call ...

she's the latest in a string of failed CEOs at Yahoo, the company itself isnt even sure about what's his core business now and this should give you a hint about what they have in store, it will be all about M&As, smoke and mirrors, just as AOL does, it's the same Ponzi scheme seen a million times on Nasdaq.

and indeed their stock value will rise quickly, Mayer will be praised for the great results, but nobody will remind you it came at the cost of wasting billions, i mean real money not stocks, even the Tumblr guy wanted to be paid in US$ not in yahoo stocks which says it all !

that's a very bad sign from any perspective, if he believed the stock value of Yahoo would go up why opting for cash ?

let's face it, there's no difference from today's yahoo and the old Tripod, Lycos, Geocities, Hotmail, Ask.com .. we're in the middle of yet another web 2.0 bubble.

the only and i mean ONLY solid social media company around is ... drumroll ... LINKEDIN !!

Xanox · « **Reply #29 on:** May 22, 2013, 11:15 »

Quote from: gillian on May 22, 2013, 00:00

CEO of Yahoo announces there's no such thing anymore as professional photographers.
oh wow, how is she at qualified to announce this?
and argh, holding such a high global position.

after all she had to leave google because they had no plans to further her career, which in business-speak is a polite way to say they had enough of her BS and told her to find another job elsewhere.

i've no idea either about what she's exactly qualified for.
not a single google product has been launched by her nor she made a name for herself attached to a successful google service and all she's doing at yahoo so far is collecting PR fiascos and alienating her own employess with draconian rules against working from home.

her position is not even high nor global considering how bad Yahoo is performing now compared to the past, by all means it's a small company with no vision and no solid business model, all mouth and no trousers.

why not allowing Flickrs to sell their images as stock for instance, what about prints and upsells for everybody, wow there would be soooo many ways to monetize Flickr but they dont ! and now they've even removed the Pro accounts because they think advertising is where the money is ... Flickr as a gigantic "google images" with ads sticked all over the place and pages that take forever to load.

all i can read around is an army of angry Flickrs leaving in droves and same for the Tumblrs moving to wordpress and rightly so.

and i fell Yahoo's grand plan is just started, they could pretty much buy the NYT now that they've set up offices in their building or even CNN or the whole AOL or who knows, they're in full frenzy now and drinking champagne and this smells of web 2.0 bubble from a mile away.

falstafff · « **Reply #30 on:** May 22, 2013, 13:07 »

Quote from: Xanox on May 22, 2013, 11:15

Quote from: gillian on May 22, 2013, 00:00
CEO of Yahoo announces there's no such thing anymore as professional photographers.
oh wow, how is she at qualified to announce this?
and argh, holding such a high global position.

after all she had to leave google because they had no plans to further her career, which in business-speak is a polite way to say they had enough of her BS and told her to find another job elsewhere.

i've no idea either about what she's exactly qualified for.
not a single google product has been launched by her nor she made a name for herself attached to a successful google service and all she's doing at yahoo so far is collecting PR fiascos and alienating her own employess with draconian rules against working from home.

her position is not even high nor global considering how bad Yahoo is performing now compared to the past, by all means it's a small company with no vision and no solid business model, all mouth and no trousers.

why not allowing Flickrs to sell their images as stock for instance, what about prints and upsells for everybody, wow there would be soooo many ways to monetize Flickr but they dont ! and now they've even removed the Pro accounts because they think advertising is where the money is ... Flickr as a gigantic "google images" with ads sticked all over the place and pages that take forever to load.

all i can read around is an army of angry Flickrs leaving in droves and same for the Tumblrs moving to wordpress and rightly so.

and i fell Yahoo's grand plan is just started, they could pretty much buy the NYT now that they've set up offices in their building or even CNN or the whole AOL or who knows, they're in full frenzy now and drinking champagne and this smells of web 2.0 bubble from a mile away.

Got you!

Xanox · « **Reply #31 on:** May 22, 2013, 14:35 »

Quote from: falstafff on May 22, 2013, 13:07

Got you!

yeah, but my analysis is NOT a critic on Yahoo !

if i was risky enough i could even buy some Yahoo stock now as i'm sure it's going up at least as long as the market will believe their BS before the final implosion.

i mean .. as a comparison FB makes a net gain of around 1$ per user per year ... these numbers are even below scratching the bottom of the barrel in advertising terms but since they've such a huge volume it's in the order of billions of $.

it's a business, no matter if it looks shady, it's indeed shady and not based on solid foundations, but for some time it's going to be profitable.

they will never attract the attention of conservative investors like warren buffett but for there's indeed money to be made for them and for their risky investors.

in 2001 i was already convinced Yahoo would implode and was sure companies like ebay and amazon would survive instead.

it's taking a long time but guess what, amazon is here to stay and so is ebay, they're selling real things, not hot air like FB or advertising space like yahoo and google.

google, that's a whole different story, but yahoo's days are numbered, i mean it's already a joke of a company compared with its market value of 3-4 yrs ago.

merissa mayer boasting to be the new CEO of such a company is in fact a big downgrade compared to her previous position in google, no matter if she makes more money now, even a random VP at google is worth the nr.1 in yahoo or AOL.

stockastic · « **Reply #32 on:** May 22, 2013, 18:35 »

She buys a company that makes money from professional photographers. Then makes a public statement about how there are no longer any professionals.

Short this stock.

Xanox · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2013, 00:47 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 22, 2013, 18:35

Short this stock.

not yet.
more M&A will come soon, probably about music, social, maps, and e-commerce.

rubyroo · « **Reply #34 on:** May 24, 2013, 02:25 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 22, 2013, 18:35

She buys a company that makes money from professional photographers. Then makes a public statement about how there are no longer any professionals.

That is so succinct, and perfect.

Gunter Nezhoda · « **Reply #35 on:** May 24, 2013, 11:12 »

There's really no such thing as CEO's anymore, everybody has a business on the Internet now

gillian vann · « **Reply #36 on:** May 24, 2013, 18:29 »

^ ah, that is brilliant, thank you. I was searching for a clever analogy and that is wonderful.

Xanox · « **Reply #37 on:** May 25, 2013, 00:13 »

well, it's not far from truth, there's plenty of dic-ks who sell some cr-ap on Ebay from time to time and then claim to be "e-business experts" and self employed entrepreneurs !

ShadySue · « **Reply #38 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:46 »

Quote from: Xanox on May 22, 2013, 11:15

and now they've even removed the Pro accounts because they think advertising is where the money is ...

<Pedant mode> They haven't currently removed Pro accounts. They seem to be 'encouraging' Pros to move to the free version, but are still promising the 'old' pro benefits of unlimited storage, stats and the clincher for me, no ads.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #39 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:55 »

Quote from: stockastic on May 22, 2013, 18:35

She buys a company that makes money from professional photographers. Then makes a public statement about how there are no longer any professionals.

Short this stock.

What exactly do you mean by professional photographers? I may be behind the times but I thought Flickr was a social media picture hosting service for enthusiasts while anybody serious about online hosting for business purposes was at Photoshelter.

ShadySue · « **Reply #40 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:57 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 25, 2013, 03:55

Quote from: stockastic on May 22, 2013, 18:35
She buys a company that makes money from professional photographers. Then makes a public statement about how there are no longer any professionals.

Short this stock.

What exactly do you mean by professional photographers? I may be behind the times but I thought Flickr was a social media picture hosting service for enthusiasts.

That absolutely is what Flickr has been about until now.

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