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Old Hippy

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« on: June 03, 2009, 08:06 »
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if you thought photography was already going down the drain, please check this out :

this guy sold a picture of his face on iStock, got paid barely half a dollar, and
now the buyer printed a giant wallpaper advertising with hif face on top of a pickle
advertising expensive financial services :





now he's glad to be called "pickle boy" by his friends, while the buyer is racking up piles
of dollars on his face.

until there's people like this around it will be more and more harder to pay not just your bills
but even a coffee or a beer with photography.


Old Hippy

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2009, 08:17 »
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how ironic the buyer in question sells ripoff services for people with "bad credit".
if the istock guy keeps selling his images for 0.25$ he will soon need their services while frying chicken legs behind a KFC counter...

he's indeed a pickle head.

« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 08:21 »
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@leaf is there a reason this guy isnt banned yet? 

graficallyminded

« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 08:23 »
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Dude I could care less.  Yes that's my image, and yes I probably made 50 cents.  This type of stuff comes with the territory.  I sell hundreds of images every single day.  How much money have you made this year from stock?  Hopefully at least enough to restore that hippie van of yours ;)

PEACE LOVE AND HAPPINESS, homeboy.   :P

« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2009, 08:26 »
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Dude I could care less.  Yes that's my image, and yes I probably made 50 cents.  This type of stuff comes with the territory.  I sell hundreds of images every single day.  How much money have you made this year from stock?  Hopefully at least enough to restore that hippie van of yours ;)

PEACE LOVE AND HAPPINESS, homeboy.   :P

You tell him pickle-boy!  ;D

We get it, you hate microstock.  And?  This argument is 5 years old - did you just figure out that you were supposed to hate us? 

graficallyminded

« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2009, 08:28 »
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Traditional stock will always hate it, especially when they see their earnings dropping and don't want to "adapt" to the times.  I sell some RM myself, so I'm not knocking it, but just like in any field - if you don't want to change when everything else is changing, then you'd better switch to a different line of work.  There's no sense in moaning on random forums in order to find more people to back you up, like a lame support group for digital artists. 

« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 08:31 »
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Lets stick with the message that the most we ever make is $0.25 and none of us make enough to pay for our cameras.  Hippy, go spread the word :)  We have heard it here before already, go tell the traditional stock photographers.

Perhaps you could also let the IRS know that it isn't worth withholding 30% of our $0.25 commissions :)
« Last Edit: June 03, 2009, 08:33 by sharpshot »

Milinz

« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 08:38 »
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Iteresting way of looking at just one billboard ad...
That is nothing comparing ro TIME Magazine cover page...

Nevertheless all images which are easy to take as well some harder captures already can be found on microstock.

BTW, traditional stock has its advantages and is more likely to be world for itself with very wealthy buyers who wish to have high expences on image licences they buy. I love such buyers and I also sell my work on both markets - different works for microstock and different works for traditional stock.

It is no point in making such reactions - it is reality and we all must face that fact.

So, keep up the good work and be sure there are different markets for different images - what I found is GREAT!

« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 08:57 »
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Wasn't there a song a few years back, "My pickle jar brings all the boys to the yard", or something like that.

RT


« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 09:02 »
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I don't think the OP should be banned, this world is full of losers who are unable to keep up with the times and have an inferiority complex, he should be allowed to come here under anonymity and verbally attack those that threaten him. Plus every time I see a post like this from someone like him it makes me smile to think that the old school snapshot takers are no longer getting paid for low quality photography.

« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 09:02 »
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@leaf is there a reason this guy isnt banned yet?  
I don't think he should be banned.

Edit: RT beat me...

« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2009, 09:04 »
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i dont think the OP should be banned just because i disagree with him.
x

graficallyminded

« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2009, 09:05 »
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Wasn't there a song a few years back, "My pickle jar brings all the boys to the yard", or something like that.

LOL!!  "* right...it's better than yours...I could teach you...but I'd have to charge"

There will always be a market for RM, like Millinz said there are certain types of images that do better under those licenses.  

puravida

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2009, 09:10 »
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@leaf is there a reason this guy isnt banned yet? 

rofl i don't think we should ban anyone simply because they are disagreeable or mouthing off.
if banting and badmouthing are criteria for leaf to ban anyone, none of us would be here .

hey old hippy, disgusted as you are by PMs by OP, your farewell was short lived. did you forget you bade us farewell the last post you made? must have been a bad weed you smoking , old fart ! rofl

« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2009, 09:13 »
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You all keep feeding the troll. Old Hippy is just a figment of someone's imagination!

« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2009, 09:28 »
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I think the OP is just one of many identities of the same person in this forum. :) Maybe that is the reason of Mantonino's comment "@leaf is there a reason this guy isnt banned yet? "
Mantonino, am I right?

« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2009, 10:57 »
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The guy was probably not earned just 25c in IS, but anyway, it was his choice to have his on image there and all the risks involved.  If he didn't give it a second thought, it's his guilt.


« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2009, 11:17 »
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What is OP..?..

« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2009, 11:19 »
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Old Hippy

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2009, 11:25 »
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too many trolls in this forum.

i give up.

lisafx

« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2009, 13:32 »
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too many trolls in this forum.

i give up.

If only. 

I guess we can expect to see you back with another tired rant in a week or so? 

But first, remember to throw a big hissy fit and tell us all off in terms profane enough that Tyler has to edit your post. 

Seems to be your modus operandi,  and interestingly,  that of one other former/current/former/current member.  ;)

« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2009, 13:56 »
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modus operandi = mode of operation. Thank you Lisa, thank you Wikipedia.

Old Hippy

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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2009, 15:38 »
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too many trolls in this forum.

i give up.

If only. 

I guess we can expect to see you back with another tired rant in a week or so? 

But first, remember to throw a big hissy fit and tell us all off in terms profane enough that Tyler has to edit your post. 

Seems to be your modus operandi,  and interestingly,  that of one other former/current/former/current member.  ;)

sometimes when uploading huge batches of JPG to your macro agency you wonder what to do in the meantime,
that's why i hang here.

RT


« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2009, 15:53 »
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sometimes when uploading huge batches of JPG to your macro agency you wonder what to do in the meantime,
that's why i hang here.

Oh wow you 'upload huge batches of JPGs to your macro agency', I don't know about anyone else but that statement really impressed me, please don't leave hang around and tell us some of your success stories.

« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2009, 16:03 »
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I sleep when my upload script runs :-)

Dook

« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2009, 16:16 »
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He is uploading to Alamy. I like Alamy, but it is not traditional stock agency and he is not macro stock shooter. Anybody can upload to Alamy, that is ok, they have their own business model. But, try to get accepted by Getty, Corbies, Veer, UpperCut images etc. Then you could call yourself traditional or macro stock photographer.

« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2009, 16:20 »
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Dear Mr. Hippy,
I have a solution for you: if you don't like microstock, don't submit to microstock. We like it, sorry.  :P


Xalanx

« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2009, 16:32 »
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sometimes when uploading huge batches of JPG to your macro agency you wonder what to do in the meantime,
that's why i hang here.

Oh wow you 'upload huge batches of JPGs to your macro agency', I don't know about anyone else but that statement really impressed me, please don't leave hang around and tell us some of your success stories.

ROFL

huge batches? Are you sure you're not on modem connection on an old pulse line?

Old Hippy

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2009, 16:44 »
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He is uploading to Alamy. I like Alamy, but it is not traditional stock agency and he is not macro stock shooter. Anybody can upload to Alamy, that is ok, they have their own business model. But, try to get accepted by Getty, Corbies, Veer, UpperCut images etc.

and who told you i dont ?


« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2009, 16:51 »
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C'mon Oldie show us your macro portfolio!  :D

Old Hippy

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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2009, 16:55 »
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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2009, 17:02 »
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Let me google you...

http://tinyurl.com/ocl2xh

helix7

« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2009, 17:09 »
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...until there's people like this around it will be more and more harder to pay not just your bills
but even a coffee or a beer with photography...

A few sales a year for $300 each, or 1000 sales a year for $1 each... what's the difference?

I don't care who buys my images or where they put them. At the end of the day, it's the same money.



donding

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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2009, 17:26 »
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Wow Old Hippy..those are impressive..only problem they are on Flickr where they can sometimes be downloaded for free...also unless you have multiple personalities...you need to check the link out before you claim it for your own....Dana Ocker??? Georgia Conroy????Mark Falk???just to name a few of your interesting personalities  :D :D :D

« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2009, 17:37 »
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It was a funny headline however. Something you might expect to see in The Onion.

Old Hippy

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« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2009, 17:42 »
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It was a funny headline however. Something you might expect to see in The Onion.

to become a good troll you need talent and experience.

puravida

  • diablo como vd
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2009, 18:13 »
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C'mon Oldie show us your macro portfolio!  :D


here it is :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/hippy/clusters/


they're actually quite good. EXCEPT the volkswagen vans are nice and clean, unlike your own ...
which is unwashed... like you, perharps :P


Old Hippy

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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2009, 18:18 »
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REAL photographers stinks.

this is so true i can tell by the smell if someone is a good shooter or not.
you gotta trust your nose, so to say.

Dook

« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2009, 01:30 »
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He is uploading to Alamy. I like Alamy, but it is not traditional stock agency and he is not macro stock shooter. Anybody can upload to Alamy, that is ok, they have their own business model. But, try to get accepted by Getty, Corbies, Veer, UpperCut images etc.

and who told you i dont ?


Yes, I guess you try.

« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2009, 03:33 »
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when I get very lonely I start picking up a fight on forums too! I'm with you, you are not alone, except if I do so everybody knows who I am and can easily check out my portfolio.

« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2009, 05:13 »
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sometimes when uploading huge batches of JPG to your macro agency you wonder what to do in the meantime, that's why i hang here.

According to the time you spend on this forum, that certainly must be 10-layer 32-bit TIFFs on a 10-baud phone modem  ;D. Let me think, your "macro site" is Flickr, and you are called "Ansel Adams" by the other inmates of "Forest Peace", a home for retired photographers with moderately advanced Alzheimer. "Napoleon Bonaparte" is peering over your shoulder as you painfully type your unstructured paragraphs on your brand new Commodore 64, just grumbling now and then when you break another wind under your white charity gown.  ::) :P

Keep posting by all means. It's fun, now and then.

Old Hippy

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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2009, 07:11 »
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no.

this is my last post ever.

posting here is a waste of time.
farewell.

« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2009, 07:13 »
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Shame, we'll really miss you  ;)

« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2009, 07:26 »
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no.

this is my last post ever.

posting here is a waste of time.
farewell.



Ahhhh, and we so enjoy a good laugh.
See you soon.

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2009, 07:37 »
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So did RJMIZ pull another one over on us and come back as Old Hippy?

« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2009, 07:51 »
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So did RJMIZ pull another one over on us and come back as Old Hippy?

My thoughts exactly... I was wondering if this person is "Miz"erably reincarnated. (RIP Miz)

« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2009, 08:08 »
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No, he just hasn't got the Miz's naughty sense of humour.


« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2009, 09:15 »
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Well seeing as we have all heard the farewells before! How long do you think this cat will stay away this time? ??? gee I miss him already  ::)

« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2009, 09:20 »
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i just don't get what the kicks you get from telling others how crap they are? really, that low self esteem? oh we know you still read what we have to say about you, don't you?

lisafx

« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2009, 11:31 »
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Well seeing as we have all heard the farewells before! How long do you think this cat will stay away this time? ??? gee I miss him already  ::)

Seeing as he has other alias's on this board, he won't be gone, just changing hats.

bittersweet

« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2009, 15:45 »
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Well seeing as we have all heard the farewells before! How long do you think this cat will stay away this time? ??? gee I miss him already  ::)

Seeing as he has other alias's on this board, he won't be gone, just changing hats.

Yep, we can count on that.

« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2009, 15:58 »
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This is from your other thread, Old Hippy:

"BUT,
when you'll become adults, you'll understand you not only made a big big mistake, but you also
trashed what was until a few years ago a great market open to everybody producing high quality stuff and making everybody happy."


That's a blatant lie, and one of the reasons of the microstock success, Doors were not open at all, they were tigthly closed by an self-protective "elite" defending their "business". I know it because I experienced it.

Closing these doors to me and to many others resulted in we accepting the microstock opportunity. And well, speaking for myself I'm not working for cents, I'm working for thousands a month. Now I wouldn't change that for macrostock, but had I found the macrostock doors accessible in its moment, I wouldn't have joined istock.


graficallyminded

« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2009, 16:09 »
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I wish Miz was still around, he's laugh his butt off at my pickle billboard discovery.  Miz was a good pal of mine - we spoke daily over IM and he listened to me piss and moan about my stressful corporate graphic design job.  He'd probably flip over in his grave if he heard that I went from 1000 images to 4000 in a year's time.

The only reason why I saw this thread, was because Matt showed it to me.  I try to stay off the forums lately so I can try and get more work done.  

Old hippy - I hope you can at least support your weed habit off those macro sales ;)

Loop - AMEN.  Get that paper, homeboy.  Pennies per sale adds up a lot by the end of the month when you've built up enough volume and quality.  With the abundance of RF micro and midstock agencies, you can also spread your work out across a slew of agencies across the world.  That alone makes a huge difference in your monthly income, I can't stress that enough...as long as you have the time and prioritize which agencies are worth that time.

« Reply #53 on: June 04, 2009, 16:17 »
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i dont think the OP should be banned just because i disagree with him.

You think I want him banned because I disagree with him?   ;D  Hilarity.  How about I'd like him banned because he adds nothing to the board, attacks members personally and is a troll.  None of that adds to the discussion here.

« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2009, 16:27 »
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Old Hippy, is wrong on so many points, maybe some time on research would help.

It was camera manufactures that created the digital cameras and made them affordable, so everyone could compete on an equal footing where skill not money now matters.
The internet created the distrubution method to upload and display the images to customers all over the world.
The software companies created tools to prepare and correct the digital images and the payment gateways.
The traditional agencies shut the doors on new photographers and microstock was created.
Flickr opened up the social photography sites where photographers can compare images.
Microstock gave everyone images at an affordable price and allowed the use of images for many millions of NEW users, that just want a couple of images for a website or article and would never have brought an image from a traditional site.

I remember the high street with a lot of traditional outlets, they have all gone and we go to the superstores now, times changed and so did buying habits.

There are many other reasons traditional sales are falling, one being the traditional customer base, newspapers and magazines, these are struggling to survive as the internet becomes more available and faster more and more people get the news online, how many 20 somethings do you see reading a newspaper or magazine?

But hey whatever it is the Micro shooters to blame!

David  ::)
« Last Edit: June 04, 2009, 16:32 by Adeptris »

« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2009, 16:36 »
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Well seeing as we have all heard the farewells before! How long do you think this cat will stay away this time? ??? gee I miss him already  ::)

The last time he said that, it lasted a few hours, lol. He'll be back as soon as the weed runs out rofl

« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2009, 20:14 »
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Speaking of Miz, I keep seeing his name pop up as "Suggested Friends" to add on Facebook. 

Guess he's reminding us he's still here, in spirit, at least :D

Gebbie


grp_photo

« Reply #57 on: June 05, 2009, 03:13 »
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Well the average Microstocker looks very stupid to me. I don't agree with the tone of OldHippy but you just bashing him. It's totally okay to sell pictures for one dollar etc but why not scrutinize why agencies can't charge more for a big usage like this (ever asked what does it cost to print a billboard like this?). I think Microstock is okay but some usages should be charged more. Its not about the pickle its about the big usage nothing will change for better if you say yes to anything. And yeah now you can start bashing me or ban me or whatever - really stupid.


 

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