Quote from: cascoly on April 22, 2024, 16:32

right - "do everything possible." is why we use AI

what makes it real to use a highly automated machine that measures light and turns it into a series of pixels, themselves descrbed by 1 & 0's?

in ultimate terms NO art is 'real' but that's its beauty - an artist's interpretation of the physical world

Photography is different from ALL other arts because it requires a drawing from reality, an imprint of reality.

If it doesn't come from reality it's not photography, it's something else. Call it by another name.

Just a logical point, and I hope you can appreciate this?

If photography is different, because "it requires drawing from reality" and the AI Labs used millions of photographs, doesn't AI machine leaning trace back to reality, because it was trained on real photographs?    AI is a direct descendant of real photos.

I personally think, any agency, should clearly divide their collections into, photos, illustrations, AI and video. (as an over simple example) and never sell AI created images in the same place as human created art, illustrations, photos or anything else. This could work against us, if someone was looking for something, and only would see the AI collection, but it would surely work in our favor, when someone wanted human works, not machine creations.

Instead of being mixed in and questionable, put AI in it's own place, not to be confused with peoples individual work.

Where does image retouching fit into this? Should only completely unretouched images be allowed as "natural creations"?

Yes, and how much is too much retouching. Dodging and burning, multiple exposures, of the same scene, composites, to get the highlights and shadows right? Spotting for flaws or taking out the unwanted. Oh wait that's real photos on film negatives, ala the masters of the early 20th Century. We just have better tools and easier ways of doing the same thing. 

How could we draw a line on art and alterations to say what is a Natural Creation and what's not.