Author Topic: People Pictures are Such a Pain (Read 11324 times)

WarrenPrice · « **on:** March 28, 2011, 14:50 »

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/525295/525295,1260915756,9/stock-photo-senior-man-paddling-a-canoe-with-second-canoe-calm-waters-and-autumn-colors-in-background-42908275.jpg

Just had a call at home from a Chicago Ad Agency wanting to know if I had a "Talent Release" for the two people in the distant canoe. I don't even know those people and who would know who they are?

The image is with ShutterStock and NO release was required by them. I guess Ad Agencies really do put strict requirements on microstock "model release?"

Guess I'll stick to birds.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2011, 15:29 »

LOL is the woman looking back? your focus was on the man right?

honestly this is quite ridiculous

caspixel · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2011, 16:03 »

Tell 'em it's CGI.

VB inc · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2011, 16:51 »

im pretty sure istock would have rejected that pic without the MR for those people in the background. If you can recognize yourself from that photo then you would need a release.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2011, 17:02 »

Quote from: VB inc on March 28, 2011, 16:51

im pretty sure istock would have rejected that pic without the MR for those people in the background. If you can recognize yourself from that photo then you would need a release.

Nope! It was rejected for artifacts. LOL

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2011, 17:23 »

So what if you're into archaeology and you get your image rejected for artifacts, how do you know if it's because of the content or the pixel problems?

lisafx · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2011, 17:25 »

It's a gorgeous picture Warren. If you can't get releases from the boaters, maybe you can set up something similar and shoot it for stock. I really like it!

grp_photo · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2011, 17:35 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on March 28, 2011, 17:02

Quote from: VB inc on March 28, 2011, 16:51
im pretty sure istock would have rejected that pic without the MR for those people in the background. If you can recognize yourself from that photo then you would need a release.

Nope! It was rejected for artifacts. LOL

double LOL :-)

louoates · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2011, 21:34 »

Was that a national forest location or private land? A private lake or river? Did someone design the shape of that boat? And what about the oar, life preserver or clothing design? All kinds of problems with this one.

Yep. Best stick to birds. Wait a minute! What if that bird was once owned by someone and it got free. Best find out who the owner was and get a property release.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2011, 21:38 »

Quote from: louoates on March 28, 2011, 21:34

Yep. Best stick to birds. Wait a minute! What if that bird was once owned by someone and it got free. Best find out who the owner was and get a property release.

I have a design patent on most birds. Watch yerself.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2011, 23:29 »

Quote from: Zeus on March 28, 2011, 17:23

So what if you're into archaeology and you get your image rejected for artifacts, how do you know if it's because of the content or the pixel problems?

I understand that. Good one!

Lithic debris is not protected unless it's found at a grave site.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2011, 23:56 »

Just write the MR urself, smudge the writing a little and say it fell in the lake

. Great photo Warren, apart from the artifacts of course.

rubyroo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 29, 2011, 02:37 »

Quote from: sjlocke on March 28, 2011, 21:38

I have a design patent on most birds. Watch yerself.

Then it's true... you really are God!

lagereek · « **Reply #13 on:** March 29, 2011, 02:55 »

They are only a pain because Micro have turned it into a pain, supplying releases to RM is as easy as pie.

bizair · « **Reply #14 on:** March 29, 2011, 03:45 »

Just take a risk management approach. What is the probability of someone recognizing the picture - negligible. What is the probability they could take offense -negligible. What is the risk they would sue -negligible. What outcome could they achieve if successful - very little. Therefore on all counts the risk is almost nonexistent - time to be creative.

This whole business of MR is getting to the stupid stage.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #15 on:** March 29, 2011, 10:39 »

Thanks for the kind words and for the humor. I did enjoy both.
As for the point ... I was suggesting that it is the BUYERS that insist on releases. Our agents (microstock sites) are just following instructions.
@Lisa ... My stuff is usually just "catch it if it happens." I very seldom do setups. This was on one our adventures ... canoeing in Maine. It would be fun to go back and do it again and hope for the perfect time of year, perfect time of day with the perfect light at the just right moment. Henri Cartier Bresson?

PS: Is it worth forging a release for microstock prices?

PPS: I forgot to count my food setups. But those are only if I am going to eat it.

Jonathan Ross · « **Reply #16 on:** March 30, 2011, 16:19 »

Hey Warren great shot.

If you are done with people come be on the other side of the fence at Spaces Images. One of the reasons I built the agency was so I didn't have to chase models with A.D.D. around anymore. Just me and my camera alone at last : )

Cheers,
Jonathan

melastmohican · « **Reply #17 on:** March 30, 2011, 16:55 »

Why did not put it on Shutterstock as editorial?

I would have to go back to Peru to get model releases :-) Wait, some of the people were tourist from all over the world :-(

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #18 on:** March 30, 2011, 17:08 »

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on March 30, 2011, 16:19

Hey Warren great shot.

If you are done with people come be on the other side of the fence at Spaces Images. One of the reasons I built the agency was so I didn't have to chase models with A.D.D. around anymore. Just me and my camera alone at last : )

Cheers,
Jonathan

Thanks, Jonathan: I'm still shooting family pics. I have appropriate releases for them The query was about the two people in the distant canoe. SS did not require me to have a release. That is why I was surprised when the agency asked for one.

As for your agency: Thanks for the invite. I had never considered my port worthy of submission. Maybe I should have a look?

$:-\$

@melastmohican: Wow... great shot. My wife and I are very envious of that adventure. I'm afraid we may have gotten too old to realize our dream of doing what you did. Is it very strenuous?

My image didn't need to be editorial, melast. It is my best seller at shutterstock without the need for releases. Very surprising that the ad agency needed the release???

Konstantin Sutyagin · « **Reply #19 on:** March 30, 2011, 17:16 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on March 28, 2011, 14:50

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/525295/525295,1260915756,9/stock-photo-senior-man-paddling-a-canoe-with-second-canoe-calm-waters-and-autumn-colors-in-background-42908275.jpg

Just had a call at home from a Chicago Ad Agency wanting to know if I had a "Talent Release" for the two people in the distant canoe. I don't even know those people and who would know who they are?

The image is with ShutterStock and NO release was required by them. I guess Ad Agencies really do put strict requirements on microstock "model release?"

Guess I'll stick to birds.

Funny, I too was recently asked by a Chicago Ad agency for release for this picture http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=2554374
Seems like the same agency!

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #20 on:** March 30, 2011, 17:47 »

@Konstantin ... did you have a release?
they refer to it as "talent release." Was it the same for you?

I'm relieved that someone else got the call. I had started to worry that it might be some type of scam. Getting paranoid in my old age.

Konstantin Sutyagin · « **Reply #21 on:** March 30, 2011, 18:09 »

Nope. I've actually got two emails from different employees. One wrote model release and another - talent release.

melastmohican · « **Reply #22 on:** March 30, 2011, 18:44 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on March 30, 2011, 17:08

@melastmohican: Wow... great shot. My wife and I are very envious of that adventure. I'm afraid we may have gotten too old to realize our dream of doing what you did. Is it very strenuous?

My trip to Peru was organized by local travel agency and it consist of two parts: 4 days in rainforest location and 4 days trek on Inca Trail to Machu Picchu. Second part would require walking on high elevations so it might not be for everybody but I have seen 60 year old people doing it. If you have more time you can spent some time at Cuzco to acclimatize so the walk is not so hard. One of my friend who is 60, went to Mt Everest base camp (much higher than Inca Trail) but he was riding a train from China to get slowly used to altitude.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2011, 17:35 »

Aging seemed to happen overnight, melastmohican. I'm 72. I ran a marathon at 62. Won a motocross race (the over 40 age group) at 65. Then ... got old. Maybe it was retirement? But, we still love going and seeing. Just have to avoid the long hikes and steep climbs.

My wife is our travel planner/organizer. Peru is still a possibility...maybe.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #24 on:** April 05, 2011, 14:34 »

Just had to bring this up to date. The referenced agency just purchased an EL of this Shutterstock image.
Guess I'll stick with people pictures after all. LOL

melastmohican · « **Reply #25 on:** April 05, 2011, 15:49 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on March 31, 2011, 17:35

Aging seemed to happen overnight, melastmohican. I'm 72. I ran a marathon at 62. Won a motocross race (the over 40 age group) at 65. Then ... got old. Maybe it was retirement? But, we still love going and seeing. Just have to avoid the long hikes and steep climbs.

My wife is our travel planner/organizer. Peru is still a possibility...maybe.

You can take a train form Cuzco to Machu Picchu but it still you have to acclimatize to high altitude.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #26 on:** April 05, 2011, 15:56 »

Quote from: melastmohican on April 05, 2011, 15:49

Quote from: WarrenPrice on March 31, 2011, 17:35
Aging seemed to happen overnight, melastmohican. I'm 72. I ran a marathon at 62. Won a motocross race (the over 40 age group) at 65. Then ... got old. Maybe it was retirement? But, we still love going and seeing. Just have to avoid the long hikes and steep climbs.

My wife is our travel planner/organizer. Peru is still a possibility...maybe.

You can take a train form Cuzco to Machu Picchu but it still you have to acclimatize to high altitude.

The travel director/Finance Minister is taking Spanish Classes. I think she is serious.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #27 on:** April 06, 2011, 00:07 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on April 05, 2011, 14:34

Just had to bring this up to date. The referenced agency just purchased an EL of this Shutterstock image.
Guess I'll stick with people pictures after all. LOL

They bought it on ss?

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