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« on: June 24, 2015, 07:08 »
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On 9 July 2015, the European Parliament might destroy photography.

The Freedom of taking photos in public places is under attack. Until now, in most countries in Europe you were safe to take and publish photographs that are taken from public ground This is called Freedom of Panorama. When you were on vacation, you could take a photo from the London Eye and share it with your friends on Facebook*. If someone wanted to pay you for using this photo, that was okay as well. Both is about to change may destroy photography as we know it.

https://www.change.org/p/european-parliament-save-the-freedom-of-photography
« Last Edit: June 24, 2015, 07:11 by KnowYourOnions »


« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2015, 07:29 »
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Signed.....but isn't the example actually incorrect? The London Eye is private property?

ShadySue

« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 07:41 »
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Signed.....but isn't the example actually incorrect? The London Eye is private property?
+1 on both counts.

« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2015, 07:54 »
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Done !

« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 08:33 »
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Signed.....but isn't the example actually incorrect? The London Eye is private property?


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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2015, 09:50 »
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Signed too . Amount of signatures grows every page refresh!

« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2015, 10:17 »
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Done.

This move would dissuade photographers and film makers from using "difficult" locations and as usual, meddling politicians with little or zero business savvy have missed the bigger picture:

1) Use of these landmarks in movies and commercial images is FREE advertising for these locations and no doubt inflates visitor numbers
2) The businesses that provided transport and other services for creatives to arrive at and stay at these locations will lose income
3) The cost of enforcing the wretched thing will vastly outweigh the accruals


I have several others but I've got a trapped nerve and an evil disposition as a result and will say no more. Except this: the agencies are strangely silent on the matter


« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2015, 11:19 »
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Uncle Pete

« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2015, 11:24 »
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Can someone provide a link to the provision that will take away our rights or changes the current laws. I'd like to read it?

"Freedom of panorama

To the rapporteur's regret, the JURI committee chose to remove the "freedom of panorama" proposal in the draft report. This means that amateur photographers will still need permission from the rights holders of certain buildings, usually the architect, in order to share their photographs on social networks."

STILL and Remove are apparently important words in the above quote.  ???

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/infosociety/meps-vote-protect-geo-blocking-copyright-reform-315493

But I can't seem to find the document with anything about restricting freedom of panorama? Anyone? Where can I read the actual text of this proposal.

« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2015, 12:20 »
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Done

« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2015, 17:40 »
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Can someone provide a link to the provision that will take away our rights or changes the current laws. I'd like to read it?

"Freedom of panorama

To the rapporteur's regret, the JURI committee chose to remove the "freedom of panorama" proposal in the draft report. This means that amateur photographers will still need permission from the rights holders of certain buildings, usually the architect, in order to share their photographs on social networks."

STILL and Remove are apparently important words in the above quote.  ???

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/infosociety/meps-vote-protect-geo-blocking-copyright-reform-315493

But I can't seem to find the document with anything about restricting freedom of panorama? Anyone? Where can I read the actual text of this proposal.


I usually avoid blatantly cross-promoting my "day job", but I have written a blog post on this issue for those interested: http://novarelegal.com.au/2015/06/freedom-of-panorama-copyright/
The text of the original proposal, and the amended version, are in the blog post and there is a link to the original report.
Whilst the amendment is of some concern, it is a long way off forming part of the law of any particular EU country. This is a report to be provided to the EU Commission to feed into the Commission's own report into updating EU copyright law, due later this year.  History shows that the last copyright directive in 2001 was only implemented in a patchy way, differing from country to country. It is also worth bearing in mind that  "freedom of panorama" is already vastly different across Europe. It is very broad in Germany, at its most restrictive in France, and somewhere in the middle for most other countries. .  For those who are EU citizens (I have dual citizenship so may do the same), and are genuinely concerned, I would suggest that it would be more useful to email, write or call your EU deputies prior to the 9 July plenary session.   The irony that the petition, and the original report, were prepared by the German Pirate Party MEP, ought not be lost here
« Last Edit: June 24, 2015, 17:54 by KerinF »

H2O

« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2015, 18:54 »
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This is never going to happen, how are you going to enforce all the millions of people who publish their pictures on Facebook etc.

In Europe it could even be a breach of your human rights to not be allowed to express yourself.

A Copywrite on a building even now is crazy, if you take a picture the image you capture has part of the photographer in it, it has their artistic expression, good or bad in that picture so surly on this reasoning we should be able to charge the owners of the copyrighted building for being in our image?

This is there logic applied in reverse.

« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2015, 21:35 »
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Can someone provide a link to the provision that will take away our rights or changes the current laws. I'd like to read it?

"Freedom of panorama

To the rapporteur's regret, the JURI committee chose to remove the "freedom of panorama" proposal in the draft report. This means that amateur photographers will still need permission from the rights holders of certain buildings, usually the architect, in order to share their photographs on social networks."

STILL and Remove are apparently important words in the above quote.  ???

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/infosociety/meps-vote-protect-geo-blocking-copyright-reform-315493

But I can't seem to find the document with anything about restricting freedom of panorama? Anyone? Where can I read the actual text of this proposal.


I usually avoid blatantly cross-promoting my "day job", but I have written a blog post on this issue for those interested: http://novarelegal.com.au/2015/06/freedom-of-panorama-copyright/
The text of the original proposal, and the amended version, are in the blog post and there is a link to the original report.
Whilst the amendment is of some concern, it is a long way off forming part of the law of any particular EU country. This is a report to be provided to the EU Commission to feed into the Commission's own report into updating EU copyright law, due later this year.  History shows that the last copyright directive in 2001 was only implemented in a patchy way, differing from country to country. It is also worth bearing in mind that  "freedom of panorama" is already vastly different across Europe. It is very broad in Germany, at its most restrictive in France, and somewhere in the middle for most other countries. .  For those who are EU citizens (I have dual citizenship so may do the same), and are genuinely concerned, I would suggest that it would be more useful to email, write or call your EU deputies prior to the 9 July plenary session.   The irony that the petition, and the original report, were prepared by the German Pirate Party MEP, ought not be lost here


I can't find the original document where something has changed. It's more like they have refused to change and the standrd as we need permission. How is no change, against saving the freedom. Nice blog. You should promote it for questions like this. The pirate party wants no rights for all of us. When somebidy fights for free use of modern archeture and works, they are also petitioning for free use of our photos.

We want to use others design work for free, to sell commercially and at the same time want our works protected from free use? Seems like a contradiction.

How is no change something that is threatening freedom?

« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2015, 22:40 »
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Can someone provide a link to the provision that will take away our rights or changes the current laws. I'd like to read it?

"Freedom of panorama

To the rapporteur's regret, the JURI committee chose to remove the "freedom of panorama" proposal in the draft report. This means that amateur photographers will still need permission from the rights holders of certain buildings, usually the architect, in order to share their photographs on social networks."

STILL and Remove are apparently important words in the above quote.  ???

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/infosociety/meps-vote-protect-geo-blocking-copyright-reform-315493

But I can't seem to find the document with anything about restricting freedom of panorama? Anyone? Where can I read the actual text of this proposal.


I usually avoid blatantly cross-promoting my "day job", but I have written a blog post on this issue for those interested: http://novarelegal.com.au/2015/06/freedom-of-panorama-copyright/
The text of the original proposal, and the amended version, are in the blog post and there is a link to the original report.
Whilst the amendment is of some concern, it is a long way off forming part of the law of any particular EU country. This is a report to be provided to the EU Commission to feed into the Commission's own report into updating EU copyright law, due later this year.  History shows that the last copyright directive in 2001 was only implemented in a patchy way, differing from country to country. It is also worth bearing in mind that  "freedom of panorama" is already vastly different across Europe. It is very broad in Germany, at its most restrictive in France, and somewhere in the middle for most other countries. .  For those who are EU citizens (I have dual citizenship so may do the same), and are genuinely concerned, I would suggest that it would be more useful to email, write or call your EU deputies prior to the 9 July plenary session.   The irony that the petition, and the original report, were prepared by the German Pirate Party MEP, ought not be lost here


I can't find the original document where something has changed. It's more like they have refused to change and the standrd as we need permission. How is no change, against saving the freedom. Nice blog. You should promote it for questions like this. The pirate party wants no rights for all of us. When somebidy fights for free use of modern archeture and works, they are also petitioning for free use of our photos.

We want to use others design work for free, to sell commercially and at the same time want our works protected from free use? Seems like a contradiction.

How is no change something that is threatening freedom?


Thanks for the compliment.  I have been reluctant to do so because don't want to hijack these forums is for, but will keep in mind.  I'm very open to suggestions of what else to cover. 

I believe that the final version of the amended text has not been released.  Julia Reda's website has a list of the amendments made, and says that she will post the final text of the report when complete: https://juliareda.eu/copyright-evaluation-report/   

There is a map on this page on Reda's site which apparently shows the current position in EU countries, though I can't vouch for its accuracy:  https://juliareda.eu/2015/06/fop-under-threat/   It shows that, contrary to what many people might be assuming, only very few EU countries have a broad freedom of panorama right.  In many countries it is already limited:  either just to buildings, and/or to non-commercial purposes.  For those that think having copyright over buildings is something new, well, that horse bolted in 1886 when 3D works of architecture were included in the original wording of the Berne Convention on copyright.  It has been progressively been incorporated into national law as countries have adopted the Berne Convention over the past 120+ years.  Where the uncertainty and debate arises, and continues to arise, is what rights that gives the copyright owner, and what are reasonable exceptions to infringement.

From what I have read, I believe that the proposed amendment came from the French members of the Legal Affairs committee, who are seeking to extend what is already the position under French law (pretty much no panorama rights) and to have that adopted EU wide.  Reda was pushing the other way to extend what is basically the position in Germany - which arguably has the most generous FOP right - across Europe.  Personally, I would be surprised if either outcome happens, and it is very likely that the status quo will continue in most European countries.  The EU weren't able to get the original 2001 Directive on copyright adopted uniformly, so doubt they will succeed now. 

I think your point is well made that people ought to be a little circumspect and consider carefully the Pirate Party's manifesto.  I must say I winced a bit reading comments saying that freedom of panorama ought to be preserved because (a) it is good publicity for the architects and building owners and (b) it is too difficult to enforce.  Sounds awfully like the arguments used to argue that use of images should also be free.

« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2015, 00:39 »
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Signing this petition will not join you to any party. The question needs discussion, there is no solution for current problems and this can bring more other problems. Reasonable rules will give possibility to continue normally for businesses which work in mixed market, where commercial is side by side with editorial usage, otherwise many fails, corruption, privileges etc will receive more new fields to bloom. I think petition will do its work, not necessary in the same wording. Thank you to all who published analysis of situation, this helps

« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2015, 01:35 »
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Thanks for the compliment.  I have been reluctant to do so because don't want to hijack these forums is for, but will keep in mind.  I'm very open to suggestions of what else to cover. 


THANK YOU KerinF!

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2015, 05:56 »
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Done!


« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2015, 06:04 »
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Signed...

« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2015, 10:50 »
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UPDATE...wow!
19,851 supporters
5,149 needed to reach 25,000

https://www.change.org/p/european-parliament-save-the-freedom-of-photography

« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2015, 02:38 »
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Update : 25412 supporters!

« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2015, 04:21 »
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Update : 25412 supporters!

A MAZING!  8) in 2 hours 2000+ signatures.

26,658 supporters
8,342 needed to reach 35,000

https://www.change.org/p/european-parliament-save-the-freedom-of-photography

« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2015, 04:34 »
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Update : 25412 supporters!

A MAZING!  8) in 2 hours 2000+ signatures.

26,658 supporters
8,342 needed to reach 35,000

https://www.change.org/p/european-parliament-save-the-freedom-of-photography

Final call...  :)

34,366 supporters
634 needed to reach 35,000
https://www.change.org/p/european-parliament-save-the-freedom-of-photography


« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2015, 06:15 »
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Done as well 😊


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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2015, 08:57 »
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Meanwhile...

40,882 supporters
9,118 needed to reach 50,000
 8)

https://www.change.org/p/european-parliament-save-the-freedom-of-photography

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2015, 05:19 »
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I've just signed and there are now 179,281 supporters  :)


 

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