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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2016, 09:32 »
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I uploaded a few photos of cats and none of the agency requested release.


« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2016, 12:57 »
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I'm not sure that legally you actually require a property release for ANYTHING......so its the agencies call and they tend to be cautious

http://danheller.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/busting-myths-about-model-releases.html


This person skims over the facts and ignores the cases where we do need a release. Famous animals are protected. A neighbor dog or a stray cat aren't. Unless it's somehow a prize show dog. He gives people a false impression that we are allowed to do almost anything, when the truth is, it's each case and situational.

http://asmp.org/tutorials/using-property-releases.html

We don't need a release to take a photo. We don't need a release to sell a photo or a license. As news or art we can display and sell. But if it's used in a way that is harmful to the owner, we can be sued, should have a release. It's much more complicated than yes or no.


re: red area above...
well said!
it is the same as property. generic looking property is not IP problemetic...
but an architectural specific design is.  same for animals. if the dogs are those expensive toy dogs or cats are those angora , siamese, etc ,.. i think they would err on the side of caution to ask for a release.
if the cat or a horse or a dog is like most of the strays you see on a field or farm, i am sure it would go through no problem without a release.

mr. ed, trigger, silver,... lassie, rin tin tin,.. even  garf,.. would definitely need a release.

« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2016, 13:15 »
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on a lighter note, ...
yes, in agreement to one of the commentors above..

dogs ... like the horse in Alice said, "will do anything!"..
but cats,
when a cat actually lets you pose it, or tolerates your studio lights and have you poke a camera
in its face,
believe me, the cat consented. :D

« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2016, 14:38 »
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re: red area above...
well said!
it is the same as property. generic looking property is not IP problemetic...
but an architectural specific design is.  same for animals. if the dogs are those expensive toy dogs or cats are those angora , siamese, etc ,.. i think they would err on the side of caution to ask for a release.
if the cat or a horse or a dog is like most of the strays you see on a field or farm, i am sure it would go through no problem without a release.

mr. ed, trigger, silver,... lassie, rin tin tin,.. even  garf,.. would definitely need a release.

I have a photo of a nice home, in Podunk USA, taken from the street. Generic house, generic location...and I have always had to submit a property release for that one.

It is all very random.

« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2016, 17:01 »
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Iv'e got lots of generic houses/buildings I clone out things like house  numbers only very occasionally asked for Property Release...I find Big Stock very picky sometimes.

« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2016, 18:23 »
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Pets are considered to be personal property so a release is needed.

A pet is a living being, and a living being cannot be the property of somebody (from my point of view).
If people really consider them as friends or companions pets belong to themselves.

Some agencies determine pets to be personal property and require a release. I think that's what mlwp was saying. But pets are personal property. Otherwise why do you have to license them like a car?

No they are not, and you dont have to licence nothing nowhere if you are determed not to do so. If a moronic group of people ( in my personal opinion ) claim so, one doesn't have to agree nor obey.

Not so long ago humans were widely considered property also, and they are mostly not anymore because a smaller group of people decided not to agree.

Animals are living beings experiencing reality just like humans.


« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2016, 02:45 »
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"No they are not, and you dont have to licence nothing nowhere if you are determed not to do so. " That may be true but you won't get those pics on various Stock sites ....their sites their call even if they are wrong

« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2016, 06:51 »
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I'm sure that there are numerous jocker among the judges of our pictures. In my first batch submitted to Istock one photoograph of two pidgeon with really blurred background were refused because a lack of release; last year DT refused a still life of a pear isolated on black for the same reason, but accepted as RF a photograph of a medical machine with the brand in evidence (my fault to don't delete). Then I had refused an entire batch o 12 still life that were used last year for an important adv campaign, because "poor light".
I accept the verdict of this judges like a divine storm, Don't understand but accept. And resubmit as second chance

« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2016, 13:55 »
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Yes you are right it is of course more complicated that's why every agency interprets it differently and there is no yes or no which is why I said its the agency's call

Well, all I know is that every agency I have ever been with over the past 20 years has required a property release for pet pics.


I have had the opposite experience. I have a bunch of images of the horse I used to own in my port, and not once did any of the agencies ask for a property release (since 2005). Maybe it's one of those "depending on which inspector you get and what kind of mood they are in" situations?
Same here. Lots of animals including pets and nobody ever asked for a release.  But these were uploaded several years ago.  Maybe this is something new?


 

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