Do I need to say more....

Yes. Did TIME pay for an extended license, or they got it for free? That's the issue.

Going one step further, I have been approached like the OP has, and I've sometimes been able to negotiate a private RF license of a customized image. Instead of giving them his blessings to license the image from IS as an EL, I think the OP should have offered a private deal at the same price the buyer would have paid IS.

I though about a private deal but never done it yet and because of time constraint and the fact that this would have been a drop in the bucket anyway, I though that making them pay was more important to me regardless if I have to share it with Istock or not. Istock have all licenses in print for them to see before buying which is a plus for me. My website at the moment is mainly to show prospective models what I can do and to provide them with links to their own private galleries and not so much for selling images.  After this first experience, I will be looking at upgrading my website so that when a situation like this occur I will be able to direct the client to the proper page to download the photo they want. Denis

Quote from: cybernesco on February 12, 2009, 18:55

Do I need to say more....

Yes. Did TIME pay for an extended license, or they got it for free? That's the issue.

I was responding to Magnum regarding the publicity that he thinks he could get from a magazine, but yes he did get an EL. Denis

I though about a private deal but never done it yet and because of time constraint and the fact that this would have been a drop in the bucket anyway, ...

A drop in the bucket? They're going to pay $100+ at IS for an EL, which could have been yours. As far as generating a contract goes, all you need to do is go to any agency and copy/paste their licensing agreement into MS Word, then edit out stuff that specifically refers to them. It'll take you five minutes at most. Maybe you should do it now so that the next time a buyer contacts you, you'll have everything ready.

FWIW, I've found most buyers to be happy that I would, at no extra charge, cutomize an image for them. By 'customize' I mean, make brighter/darker, larger/smaller, add vignetting/copy space, send it directly to their printer/designer, etc. Maybe another five minutes work.

Quote from: cybernesco on February 12, 2009, 19:16

I though about a private deal but never done it yet and because of time constraint and the fact that this would have been a drop in the bucket anyway, ...

A drop in the bucket? They're going to pay $100+ at IS for an EL, which could have been yours. As far as generating a contract goes, all you need to do is go to any agency and copy/paste their licensing agreement into MS Word, then edit out stuff that specifically refers to them. It'll take you five minutes at most. Maybe you should do it now so that the next time a buyer contacts you, you'll have everything ready.

FWIW, I've found most buyers to be happy that I would, at no extra charge, cutomize an image for them. By 'customize' I mean, make brighter/darker, larger/smaller, add vignetting/copy space, send it directly to their printer/designer, etc. Maybe another five minutes work.

Thanks for the info....this is great!!!!  Denis

A drop in the bucket? They're going to pay $100+ at IS for an EL, which could have been yours. As far as generating a contract goes, all you need to do is go to any agency and copy/paste their licensing agreement into MS Word, then edit out stuff that specifically refers to them. It'll take you five minutes at most. Maybe you should do it now so that the next time a buyer contacts you, you'll have everything ready.

FWIW, I've found most buyers to be happy that I would, at no extra charge, cutomize an image for them. By 'customize' I mean, make brighter/darker, larger/smaller, add vignetting/copy space, send it directly to their printer/designer, etc. Maybe another five minutes work.

Wise words and great post.

Quote from: cybernesco on February 12, 2009, 19:50

Quote from: lclark on February 12, 2009, 19:13

TIME made a mistake and only credited the photographer who took the body shot. So this isn't a very valid example.

True but a couple days after TIME corrected the web cover page....see the following.  A pop-up from the mouse cursor on the page will show Sergei Chumakov and Istock being credited.

http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20080602,00.html

He was and still able to tell the entire world that he made it to the front page of TIME magazine but did he get more downloads because of that?

Denis

Having it on the printed piece is what would have mattered to me. Everything else is just an afterthought. Although I can't say for sure if it would of made a difference to his sales anyways. I really have no clue to be honest.    I just didn't think you could compare his situation to yours.

I am glad you came here cybernesco and shared your experience with all of us. Please let us know how it all turns out.

Thanks for your comments.  With all the ELs I had in the past which in theory should translate into millions of copies of my images being published and being seen by millions of people, I think this is still only one  aspect to get your sales promoted. For instance, the Istock best match change lately have far more repercussions towards my sales then any of my image massively published. My sales at Istock in January are three times what they were in December and I am still probably will get a BME in February.  Quite simply, basically people that read magazines  don't look for images to download,  however people at Istock and other stock agencies do. Denis