Author Topic: Place to buy 3D models for microstock renders / images (Read 8841 times)

agsandrew · « **on:** March 06, 2012, 17:27 »

Most of my stock is made of different type of designs and collages. Most of the components I create from scratch using Illustrator, Photoshop and Cinema 4D. Yet I have neither time, no skills to create complex 3D models. I do not want to violate any copyright issues by simply reusing stuff from Internet - for all I know all of that art could have been pirated... But main 3D stock sites may have a problem selling me models to compete with their own stock. Is there a solution? Can I buy directly from 3D artist with understanding on how I am going to use his/her work? How can I find one? My goal is not just grabbing somebody's work, rendering and selling as my own... it is rather paying someone for the right to use 2d renders of his/her 3d artwork in my own designs... I will appreciate any feedback.

Anita Potter · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2012, 18:25 »

You could try Daz Studio. They sell models but not sure how compatible they would be for Cinema 4d. I've not purchased models from there but the sellers should have some policy stating how they can be used and if they could be resold and whatnot. If they don't I do think they'd have a way to contact the seller. I haven't been over there in forever so I'm not sure but it doesn't hurt to take a look around. http://www.daz3d.com

heywoody · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2012, 18:34 »

If you're using models as subject matter for a picture even for commercial use this is fine for stuff bought from the likes of Daz or conucopuia etc (these guys are in the business of selling models not images and this is their market). If buying elsewhere you just need to check the allowed usage with the licence. On the other hand, making a model derived from someone else's work and selling the model itself is forbidden.

michaeldb · « **Reply #3 on:** March 06, 2012, 19:12 »

Quote from: agsandrew on March 06, 2012, 17:27

...But main 3D stock sites may have a problem selling me models to compete with their own stock...

I have never heard of such a thing being a problem. As Heywoody says, just read the EULA/license agreement. It should allow you to make renders of which you own the copyright, and most such licenses permit most any kind of use as long as the polygon model is not extractable from what you publish.

Probably the biggest sources of objs and c4d models are the3dstudio.com and turbosquid, but there are many, many others. As far as I know, all micrstock agencies, except probably iStock, will allow you to use these models to render images which you can submit.

agsandrew · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2012, 00:49 »

Thank you for all of your prompt and helpful responses. I will visit the above-mentioned sites and look closer at their license agreements. Thank you again.

heywoody · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2012, 06:37 »

Even IS doesn't have a problem from a licencing viewpoint but it's really hard to meet their technical standards as they review them as photos and the models / textures are more complex than the majority of 3D availble there and have more scope for minor technical issues. On the positive side, I don't see images from most of the folks who do this type of stuff professionally on IS so not much competition and you'll get around 4 times the DLs per image on whatever gets past the inspectors than you'll get anywhere else.

michaeldb · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2012, 14:21 »

Quote from: heywoody on March 07, 2012, 06:37

Even IS doesn't have a problem from a licencing viewpoint...

IS used to have a policy that prohibited submitting renders unless you had created the 3D model from scratch. I didn't know that it had changed, I quit submitting there some time ago.

I do know that they let you submit vectors which were traced from 3D renders you had made using models you bought at Renderosity or Turbosquid. Their lawyers okayed that for my images back when I was submitting there years ago.

ayzek · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2012, 04:48 »

There is no problem if the 3d object is not you main subject.
But if its main subject what will you do if 3D models owners selling same model's 3D renders in stock photos?

heywoody · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2012, 06:22 »

Quote from: ayzek on March 08, 2012, 04:48

There is no problem if the 3d object is not you main subject.
But if its main subject what will you do if 3D models owners selling same model's 3D renders in stock photos?

I'm still not seeing a problem - the images are unlikely to be identical but, more importantly, the modler can choose to make models available for commercial renders and / or make renders from these models but can't (on any level) stop someone using a product within the terms of the licence he sells. If someone buys one of your images to display on a web site can you say it's not allowed because you want to use it on your own site?

michaeldb · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2012, 16:37 »

Quote from: heywoody on March 08, 2012, 06:22

Quote from: ayzek on March 08, 2012, 04:48
There is no problem if the 3d object is not you main subject.
But if its main subject what will you do if 3D models owners selling same model's 3D renders in stock photos?

I'm still not seeing a problem - the images are unlikely to be identical but, more importantly, the modler can choose to make models available for commercial renders and / or make renders from these models but can't (on any level) stop someone using a product within the terms of the licence he sells. If someone buys one of your images to display on a web site can you say it's not allowed because you want to use it on your own site?

Good points. And beside the legal/licensing issues, I don't see a difference between two illustrators using the same 3D model and two photographers photographing the same human model, or the same geographical feature, or prop, or whatever.

lbarn · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2012, 20:51 »

Didn't Shutterstock stop accepting renders of interiors of architecture scenes? Based on the use of 3rd party models or models not created by the submitting artist. I wonder if this is a precursor of further restrictions on 3D renders?

Anita Potter · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2012, 05:05 »

Yep you're right no more 3d render interiors based on wireframe models from 3rd party sources. Course what would a 3d artist do that works their renders from scratch? Property release stating that the artwork was created by them and does not contain any 3rd party resources? Would that be a way to do that providing that the artist is telling the truth or would it be all 3d interiors will get rejected regardless.

velocicarpo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2012, 08:54 »

Shutterstocks behaviour when in comes to legal aspects is horrific. I would they they should:

a) Forbid incorporation of all third party stuff totally.
or
b) Require to attach the license under which and from whom the third party content was purchased.

I would go for b), but would be happy with any real decision.

heywoody · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2012, 11:24 »

This is pure guesswork, but had a quick look specifically for 3d furniture models. There are tons but the intended consumers seem to be architects etc. rather than someone making artistic (I use the term very loosely) images so there may be a licensing conflict with those in particular. SS seem very risk averse so they stop accepting these just in case even though I’d imagine, ironically, that the vast, vast majority of the models used in those images would have been made by the contributor.
@velocicarpo,
I’m curious..
Option a) is pretty much akin to telling the photographer he can’t submit images using paid models – just his family. From a practical point of view, how could a reviewer tell the difference between 3rd party and “home made” content – would this not just end up in a ban on all 3D content?
Option b) Would be a bit of a nightmare to implement for the contributor and the site but could be done as, at least, the licences exist. However, you need to be careful what you wish for – how would the person who makes the models prove they’re his without a licence of any sort?

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