Author Topic: Please Vote For My Model (Read 19021 times)

photoshow · « **on:** July 03, 2008, 14:17 »

Hey All, recently I have been working with Stacey Scott a fantastic and fresh young model here in Las Vegas. Stacey is one of the most intuitive models I have ever worked with she is also DEAF and I simply can not say enough good things about her ability as a Model.

She has entered one of my photographs in the current 944 Cover Model Search so if you could drop her a vote it would be appreciated all around.

Click here for the 944 Cover Contest!

Thanks
Bobby Deal

photoshow · « **Reply #1 on:** July 04, 2008, 02:49 »

Ahh come on gang, I know I spend more time here lurking then posting but this girl really truly deserves your support. It is quick, and painless and is a really great magazine to boot.

Oh and did I mention this model is DEAF and I mean deaf as in can not hear a WORD! Yet she is one of my absolute favorite models to work with. Go to the GALLERY and look at her sweet, crying face and then try to ignore her :-)

designalldone · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2008, 09:31 »

Quote from: photoshow on July 04, 2008, 02:49

Ahh come on gang, I know I spend more time here lurking then posting but this girl really truly deserves your support. It is quick, and painless and is a really great magazine to boot.

Oh and did I mention this model is DEAF and I mean deaf as in can not hear a WORD! Yet she is one of my absolute favorite models to work with. Go to the GALLERY and look at her sweet, crying face and then try to ignore her :-)

Hi Photoshow, I registered on the site (with the intention of voting) - it said "check your inbox" for the validation email and so far i haven't had a thing from them (this was last night). I very rarely get email probs, so maybe their registration system isn't up to much?

Anyway, if I ever get their email, I'll login and vote - best of luck to her in the competition!

rjmiz · « **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2008, 10:31 »

You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

cphoto · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2008, 10:37 »

Quote from: designalldone on July 04, 2008, 09:31

Quote from: photoshow on July 04, 2008, 02:49
Ahh come on gang, I know I spend more time here lurking then posting but this girl really truly deserves your support. It is quick, and painless and is a really great magazine to boot.

Oh and did I mention this model is DEAF and I mean deaf as in can not hear a WORD! Yet she is one of my absolute favorite models to work with. Go to the GALLERY and look at her sweet, crying face and then try to ignore her :-)

Hi Photoshow, I registered on the site (with the intention of voting) - it said "check your inbox" for the validation email and so far i haven't had a thing from them (this was last night). I very rarely get email probs, so maybe their registration system isn't up to much?

Anyway, if I ever get their email, I'll login and vote - best of luck to her in the competition!

Looks like nobody receives the confirmation email, but I was able to log back in and vote even without confirmation email.

fotoKmyst · « **Reply #5 on:** July 04, 2008, 10:56 »

hate to be the devil's advocate, but
you should not even mention that she is DEAF.
i am sure she would be flattered to know that she got voted BECAUSE
everyone knew she WAS deaf, rather than that she IS a good model.
her merit would be in question, if you know what i mean

mantonino · « **Reply #6 on:** July 04, 2008, 11:00 »

i registered on the site last night too - still no email here either.

Ziva_K · « **Reply #7 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:05 »

Registered and voted.
Don't need to wait for email, you can login right after registration.

Alatriste · « **Reply #8 on:** July 04, 2008, 13:16 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 10:56

hate to be the devil's advocate, but
you should not even mention that she is DEAF.
i am sure she would be flattered to know that she got voted BECAUSE
everyone knew she WAS deaf, rather than that she IS a good model.
her merit would be in question, if you know what i mean

Perhaps she has more difficulties than other models so why not supporting and try to do easier for her?
Of course I also like the photo and the gallery

fotoKmyst · « **Reply #9 on:** July 04, 2008, 13:21 »

Quote from: Trebuchet on July 04, 2008, 13:16

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 10:56
hate to be the devil's advocate, but
you should not even mention that she is DEAF.
i am sure she would be flattered to know that she got voted BECAUSE
everyone knew she WAS deaf, rather than that she IS a good model.
her merit would be in question, if you know what i mean

Perhaps she has more difficulties than other models so why not supporting and try to do easier for her?
Of course I also like the photo and the gallery

perharps! but having experience in working with deaf ppl on relay and knowing many as personal friends, i know they hate to be treated with pity and prefer to be treated as like everyone.

here is what one of my deaf friends say, "why if there is a
better model who is NOT deaf? and that model did not win due to the
pity we give to this deaf model?"

dullegg · « **Reply #10 on:** July 04, 2008, 13:25 »

Quote from: Trebuchet on July 04, 2008, 13:16

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 10:56

Perhaps she has more difficulties than other models so why not supporting and try to do easier for her?
Of course I also like the photo and the gallery

here is what one of my deaf friends say, "why if there is a
better model who is NOT deaf? and that model did not win due to the
pity we give to this deaf model?"

Then vote because this model is in your opinion a good model,
and don't, if you 8)think not.

fotoKmyst · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2008, 13:33 »

Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31

You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

from one who knows and works with deaf people,
i think this has less to do with stacey, than it is to do with bobby "pimping
his image" as MIZ puts it.

fotografer · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2008, 14:23 »

I'm afraid that is how it came across to me as well. Using somebody elses deafness to promote himself. I hope that I'm wrong but that's the way it sounds.

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 13:33

Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31
You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

from one who knows and works with deaf people,
i think this has less to do with stacey, than it is to do with bobby "pimping
his image" as MIZ puts it.

tan510jomast · « **Reply #13 on:** July 04, 2008, 15:28 »

Quote from: fotografer on July 04, 2008, 14:23

I'm afraid that is how it came across to me as well. Using somebody elses deafness to promote himself. I hope that I'm wrong but that's the way it sounds.

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 13:33
Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31
You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

from one who knows and works with deaf people,
i think this has less to do with stacey, than it is to do with bobby "pimping
his image" as MIZ puts it.

Good point.
I have yet to attend a cattlecall where we have an announcement prior to the selection be, "anyone with weak heart, sight problem,etc.. please
come forward".
No one is doing any favours in ramp fashion, or a fashion shoot . The designers really don't care if you've just survived a triple bypass.
No one is handling out the kids' gloves, so to speak!

dullegg · « **Reply #14 on:** July 04, 2008, 15:36 »

Quote from: tan510jomast on July 04, 2008, 15:28

Quote from: fotografer on July 04, 2008, 14:23
I'm afraid that is how it came across to me as well. Using somebody elses deafness to promote himself. I hope that I'm wrong but that's the way it sounds.

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 13:33
Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31
You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

from one who knows and works with deaf people,
i think this has less to do with stacey, than it is to do with bobby "pimping
his image" as MIZ puts it.

Good point.
I have yet to attend a cattlecall where we have an announcement prior to the selection be, "anyone with weak heart, sight problem,etc.. please
come forward".
No one is doing any favours in ramp fashion, or a fashion shoot . The designers really don't care if you've just survived a triple bypass.
No one is handling out the kids' gloves, so to speak!

touché

photoshow · « **Reply #15 on:** July 04, 2008, 17:43 »

Quote from: designalldone on July 04, 2008, 09:31

Quote from: photoshow on July 04, 2008, 02:49
Ahh come on gang, I know I spend more time here lurking then posting but this girl really truly deserves your support. It is quick, and painless and is a really great magazine to boot.

Oh and did I mention this model is DEAF and I mean deaf as in can not hear a WORD! Yet she is one of my absolute favorite models to work with. Go to the GALLERY and look at her sweet, crying face and then try to ignore her :-)

Hi Photoshow, I registered on the site (with the intention of voting) - it said "check your inbox" for the validation email and so far i haven't had a thing from them (this was last night). I very rarely get email probs, so maybe their registration system isn't up to much?

Anyway, if I ever get their email, I'll login and vote - best of luck to her in the competition!

Yea there has been a glitch in there reg system but once you register the system will let you log in and vote even without the confirmation email

photoshow · « **Reply #16 on:** July 04, 2008, 17:45 »

Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31

You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

Bite me Miz!
This has nothing to do with pimping my images. This is 100% about helping a fantastic Model achieve a goal for which she has worked increadibly hard and is very deserving of.

If I wanted to pimp the images I would and did do it at ShutterStock not here. If I was going to simply pimp the images this thread would have 10 shots from the shoot in it.

photoshow · « **Reply #17 on:** July 04, 2008, 17:49 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 10:56

hate to be the devil's advocate, but
you should not even mention that she is DEAF.
i am sure she would be flattered to know that she got voted BECAUSE
everyone knew she WAS deaf, rather than that she IS a good model.
her merit would be in question, if you know what i mean

She makes no bones about her deafness and is very upfront about it. The fact that she is deaf is in my eyes a very relative point since with most deaf models it makes the job significantly more difficult for the model and photographer / production team. However with Stacey she is SO good that it is not an issue and she rises above it better then most models who can communicate traditionally.

photoshow · « **Reply #18 on:** July 04, 2008, 17:51 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 13:21

Quote from: Trebuchet on July 04, 2008, 13:16
Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 10:56
hate to be the devil's advocate, but
you should not even mention that she is DEAF.
i am sure she would be flattered to know that she got voted BECAUSE
everyone knew she WAS deaf, rather than that she IS a good model.
her merit would be in question, if you know what i mean

Perhaps she has more difficulties than other models so why not supporting and try to do easier for her?
Of course I also like the photo and the gallery

perharps! but having experience in working with deaf ppl on relay and knowing many as personal friends, i know they hate to be treated with pity and prefer to be treated as like everyone.

here is what one of my deaf friends say, "why if there is a
better model who is NOT deaf? and that model did not win due to the
pity we give to this deaf model?"

I did not mention that she was deaf for a pity vote I mention it so everyone can see how much she has risen above and what a phenomenal model she really is

photoshow · « **Reply #19 on:** July 04, 2008, 17:53 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 13:33

Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31
You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

from one who knows and works with deaf people,
i think this has less to do with stacey, than it is to do with bobby "pimping
his image" as MIZ puts it.

And you too can Bite Me!

photoshow · « **Reply #20 on:** July 04, 2008, 18:01 »

Quote from: fotografer on July 04, 2008, 14:23

I'm afraid that is how it came across to me as well. Using somebody Else's deafness to promote himself. I hope that I'm wrong but that's the way it sounds.

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 13:33
Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31
You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

from one who knows and works with deaf people,
i think this has less to do with stacey, than it is to do with bobby "pimping
his image" as MIZ puts it.

Oh Jeez this is ridiculous never mind she can win this without your help. I have posted this in several communities and THIS is the only one to react with such vicious stupidity, what a bunch of children. This is really reading like a bunch of Jealously to me. I expect this kind of response from a personality like Miz but the rest of you should know better.

If I wanted to promote myself I would Promote myself with my work not with somebody Else's disability. When I promote ME I use MY Work as MY WORK SPEAKS FOR ITS SELF

cdwheatley · « **Reply #21 on:** July 04, 2008, 18:28 »

It just looks like classic "The boy who cried wolf"

If you pimp, people assume that you are pimping regardless of what your real intentions are.

No offense meant. Best of luck to your model.

madelaide · « **Reply #22 on:** July 04, 2008, 18:37 »

Unfortunately a lot of people try to find second intentions in other people's attitudes. I don't think it was the case with Bobby's post, but then the fact that he is not a very activer member here may have risen this.

Regards,
Adelaide

rjmiz · « **Reply #23 on:** July 05, 2008, 01:00 »

Chump....chump....chump....bite

AHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Taste awful

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

Bateleur · « **Reply #24 on:** July 05, 2008, 01:15 »

Quote from: photoshow on July 04, 2008, 18:01

Oh Jeez this is ridiculous never mind she can win this without your help. I have posted this in several communities and THIS is the only one to react with such vicious stupidity, what a bunch of children.

No. Not children. People here are a bit more critical.

That's why this is such a valuable forum. You don't get the vomit-inducing, sycophantic "Hey! Wow! That's sooooooooo coooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!" reactions that you tend to get on other photographic forums (fora?)

Let's face it ... in your first post you highlighted the fact that she was deaf by using capital letters amongst other things. In other words, you were invoking a sympathy vote.

I am sorry that she is deaf. It's a serious handicap. But, let's face it, that has no relevance to the quality of the image.

And people on this forum spotted that.

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #25 on:** July 05, 2008, 02:00 »

The only place for fashion on this forum is for fashion victims...

fotografer · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2008, 02:17 »

Double post

fotografer · « **Reply #27 on:** July 05, 2008, 02:19 »

I didn't say that I didn't vote for her. I voted for her because I thought that she was very good and have seen other images of her in the SS forums, I just found it a bit offensive on her behalf that her deafness was being used like this.
I have a deaf friend who is also very upfront about her deafness and she also thought that this was a very tacky way of getting votes. I have seen and admire your work and think that you were probably just misguided in the way you went about this probably with all the best intentions in the world but it didn't come across like that.

Quote from: fotografer on July 05, 2008, 02:17

Quote from: photoshow on July 04, 2008, 18:01
Quote from: fotografer on July 04, 2008, 14:23
I'm afraid that is how it came across to me as well. Using somebody Else's deafness to promote himself. I hope that I'm wrong but that's the way it sounds.

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 04, 2008, 13:33
Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31
You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

from one who knows and works with deaf people,
i think this has less to do with stacey, than it is to do with bobby "pimping
his image" as MIZ puts it.

Oh Jeez this is ridiculous never mind she can win this without your help. I have posted this in several communities and THIS is the only one to react with such vicious stupidity, what a bunch of children. This is really reading like a bunch of Jealously to me. I expect this kind of response from a personality like Miz but the rest of you should know better.

If I wanted to promote myself I would Promote myself with my work not with somebody Else's disability. When I promote ME I use MY Work as MY WORK SPEAKS FOR ITS SELF

Adeptris · « **Reply #28 on:** July 05, 2008, 02:29 »

You say she is good to work with and deaf that is why we should vote, if there is a better picture of a model that is not deaf and is a nightmare to work with why should we not vote for her?

If this model is so good then this thread should not be needed, and the fact that you are promoting her against other photographers models that may have just uploaded thier entry, compromises the whole concept of a competition.

You should upload and lets things take a natural course, not "pimp" your contribution over many forums and distort a fair and level playing field, all votes from members that registered after you print was uploaded should be voided.

The pimping does more damage than good to these competitions and the models, if she is "The One" then the image sould win on it's own merit, now if she finishes higher than the image merits then you may have given her the impression that she is better than she really is, I don't find the image special, and would not vote because you asked, this pimping is also the reason I do not bother with online competitions where people vote, these are meaningless when the winning image is not the best but the most pimped.

If she does well reflect on this "she will never know if she really did well, because the "pimped" photographers on shutterstock distorted the vote"

David

photoshow · « **Reply #29 on:** July 05, 2008, 02:48 »

Quote from: cdwheatley on July 04, 2008, 18:28

It just looks like classic "The boy who cried wolf"

If you pimp, people assume that you are pimping regardless of what your real intentions are.

No offense meant. Best of luck to your model.

Sorry but I don't come here and pimp my images

photoshow · « **Reply #30 on:** July 05, 2008, 02:51 »

Quote from: Bateleur on July 05, 2008, 01:15

Quote from: photoshow on July 04, 2008, 18:01

Oh Jeez this is ridiculous never mind she can win this without your help. I have posted this in several communities and THIS is the only one to react with such vicious stupidity, what a bunch of children.

No. Not children. People here are a bit more critical.

That's why this is such a valuable forum. You don't get the vomit-inducing, sycophantic "Hey! Wow! That's sooooooooo coooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!" reactions that you tend to get on other photographic forums (fora?)

Let's face it ... in your first post you highlighted the fact that she was deaf by using capital letters amongst other things. In other words, you were invoking a sympathy vote.

I am sorry that she is deaf. It's a serious handicap. But, let's face it, that has no relevance to the quality of the image.

And people on this forum spotted that.

I beg to differ with you. This is the third deaf model I have worked with and the first two were almost impossible to work with. If you can't communicate with a model it is unlikely you will be bookh makes it all the more amazing in myng models I have ever worked with whic able to produce a quality image. This model however communicates better then most fully heari

photoshow · « **Reply #31 on:** July 05, 2008, 02:58 »

Quote from: Adeptris on July 05, 2008, 02:29

You say she is good to work with and deaf that is why we should vote, if there is a better picture of a model that is not deaf and is a nightmare to work with why should we not vote for her?

If this model is so good then this thread should not be needed, and the fact that you are promoting her against other photographers models that may have just uploaded thier entry, compromises the whole concept of a competition.

You should upload and lets things take a natural course, not "pimp" your contribution over many forums and distort a fair and level playing field, all votes from members that registered after you print was uploaded should be voided.

The pimping does more damage than good to these competitions and the models, if she is "The One" then the image sould win on it's own merit, now if she finishes higher than the image merits then you may have given her the impression that she is better than she really is, I don't find the image special, and would not vote because you asked, this pimping is also the reason I do not bother with online competitions where people vote, these are meaningless when the winning image is not the best but the most pimped.

If she does well reflect on this "she will never know if she really did well, because the "pimped" photographers on shutterstock distorted the vote"

David

David these Cover Model Contests are just that they are contests and in the days of huge Myspace friensts lists and such they become popularity contests. If I and her and everyone else she and we know don't promote her entery she has no chance because the natural order has to compete with Myspace.

And for those who oppose the fact that I mentioned that she was deaf I assure you she won't have a problem with it nor will she have a problem playing the deaf card anywhere else if it will help her to overcome the hurdels that being deaf place in her life everyday and help her attain her goals

and if there is a better photo and better model then I agree it and she should win instead. All I am asking is that people look and make up their own minds

Bateleur · « **Reply #32 on:** July 05, 2008, 04:02 »

Quote from: photoshow on July 05, 2008, 02:51

Quote from: Bateleur on July 05, 2008, 01:15
Quote from: photoshow on July 04, 2008, 18:01

Oh Jeez this is ridiculous never mind she can win this without your help. I have posted this in several communities and THIS is the only one to react with such vicious stupidity, what a bunch of children.

I am sorry that she is deaf. It's a serious handicap. But, let's face it, that has no relevance to the quality of the image.

I beg to differ with you. This is the third deaf model I have worked with and the first two were almost impossible to work with. If you can't communicate with a model it is unlikely you will be bookh makes it all the more amazing in myng models I have ever worked with whic able to produce a quality image. This model however communicates better then most fully heari

Sorry, I don't understand the last bit of that comment.

But as for the second sentence:

This is the third deaf model I have worked with and the first two were almost impossible to work with.

That just confirms that deafness has no connection with modelling ability.

So why did you highlight it so markedly in your first post if it wasn't to invoke the sympathy vote?

photoshow · « **Reply #33 on:** July 05, 2008, 12:02 »

Who . are you to challenge my integrity?

The answer to your question is simple.

To Applaud her achievement.

The fact that the first two deaf woman that I tried to work with as models were unable to effectively model due to the communication issues that arose from them being deaf does to me indicate that it does have a bearing on modeling. The fact that Stacey has found a way to overcome the communication issues and be an effective model despite being deaf is worthy of applause.

So I am done defending it to you, I applaud this woman as a model, with or without disability she is simply one of the best models that I have ever worked with. The fact that she is challenged makes it even more amazing in my eyes so vote or don't vote I could care less.

Bateleur · « **Reply #34 on:** July 05, 2008, 12:54 »

Quote from: photoshow on July 05, 2008, 12:02

Who . are you to challenge my integrity?

The answer to your question is simple.

To Applaud her achievement.

I'm me.

And I wasn't challenging your integrity. Simply asking a question.

I, too, suffer from a hearing disability. But it has no bearing on my photography, writing, or public speaking (all of which I do).

Furthermore, I wouldn't want it announced as a preface to a presentation of any of my work ... not because I'm in any way shy about it, but simply because it's not relevant.

photoshow · « **Reply #35 on:** July 05, 2008, 13:37 »

OK well that explains it a bit I suppose but unlike you, Stacey's hearing loss does effect her ability to verbally communicate. While your hearing loss might not effect your photography imagine for a moment what it would be like to be on the other end of the lens and not be able to verbally communicate to only read lips partially and be working as a model with a photographer who does not know sign.

As a photographer I have to able to communicate what I want from my model in order to achieve the poses from the model that bring the high fashion look to life. This is often difficult at best to accomplish with a model who has no hearing loss let alone with one with total hearing loss.

As a result of this models astonishing work ethic she has found was to overcome these communication hurdles and be an effective model that can be directed when in the studio. She actually reads very subtle body language and has an innate intuition as to what I want from her based on the simplest of gestures. This actually makes her easier to work with then many models I have worked with who could could hear me and still not understand typical direction. The previous models I have worked with who were hearing impaired I was unable to direct at all.

So again I will say I was NOT LOOKING FOR SYMPATHY for Stacey but was in fact APPLAUDING her achievement. If my applause of her somehow offended you I am sorry. She is not being taken advantage of here, she is not being abused, she is not in need of a defender and there is NOTHING in it for me if she wins the contest. All prizes go to the model, the photographer of the submitted image is not even credited. If she wins her actual cover would be created by a staff photographer for 944 magazine.

Personally I believe she deserves the recognition for having the strength, talent and fortitude it has taken for her to rise above the challenge in front of her. You can be sure I have noting but absolute respect and admiration for this girl.

rjmiz · « **Reply #36 on:** July 05, 2008, 13:47 »

photoshow

It's time to grow up and move on. I counted 11 posts of yours to this thread attempting to justify your modis operandi.
That's totally uncalled for and unnecessary. There is no need to explain to anyone here in this forum what your intentions were
or what indeed your motive were.

If you are an artist thats enough. Everyone realizes that.
So STOP defending yourself, pick yourself up and move on!....everyone can go screw themselves

Geeeezzz

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

photoshow · « **Reply #37 on:** July 05, 2008, 13:54 »

Miz mind your own * business. If I want your opinion I will fish it out of the toilet you have absolutely no credibility to me.

Beckyabell · « **Reply #38 on:** July 05, 2008, 14:48 »

This is so ridiculous, what a bunch of sour grapes.

This cover contest is not about Bobby as the photographer. It's about Stacy as the model. SHE entered the contest and he is trying to promote HER. Some of you speak for her as if you know her, I DO know her well, and I know that Stacey herself is pimping . out of this image as well. All over her myspace, her email, friends and family and her website. The Make-up Artist is promoting her in all the same avenues, as am I!! When . did it become wrong to promote your artwork anyway?

Thats what these model search contests are all about. Popularity Contests, If a magazine sees that a girl can drum up that much interest then they see that she will sell magazines.
If any of you disagree with that then you are misinformed.

Also, if you don't think that Stacey herself will use her disability to drum up interest for her modeling career then your kidding your self. She has true passion, she'll use whatever she can to get there (I know this from actual conversations w/ her)

Rjmiz, it's always Funny how you jump on the boat to attack anyone that is more successful than you.

I'm sure there will be a bunch more of you that will be calling Bobby out, thats how it is over here. One person jumps on the bandwagon then the rest of the haters come in. Luckily there are a ton of us out here that know his true character. From all of his employees (and their families) His Family, Stacy, the DEAF (omg!!) model that we have spent countless hours photographing & promoting. And many,many of our peers here on these forums.

B.

Beckyabell · « **Reply #39 on:** July 05, 2008, 14:52 »

Quote from: rjmiz on July 04, 2008, 10:31

You ought to ashamed at pimping your images.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

You should be ashamed of pimping yourself.

Look at me!!!
I'm the new president of the 4000$ club!!!
Join my lame-ass forum, where I only talk about myself!!
Look how many people have me as their favorite!!!
Watch this crappy tutorial that I found in PS for Dummies!!
Look at me! look at me! look at me!

Get over yourself.

Beckyabell · « **Reply #40 on:** July 05, 2008, 14:58 »

Quote from: photoshow on July 05, 2008, 13:54

Miz mind your own business. If I want your opinion I will fish it out of the toilet you have absolutely no credibility to me.

Amen to that. What a freaking idiot.

sharply_done · « **Reply #41 on:** July 05, 2008, 16:43 »

Tempers are flaring - step away, people.
This thread needs to be locked.

rjmiz · « **Reply #42 on:** July 05, 2008, 18:07 »

Quote from: Beckyabell on July 05, 2008, 14:52

I'm the new president of the 4000$ club!!!

It's the $5000 club Beckyabell....not the $4000

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

photoshow · « **Reply #43 on:** July 05, 2008, 19:24 »

Robert the only think that is not called for here is for you to come into my thread and try to tell me what I can and can not or should or should not do.

mantonino · « **Reply #44 on:** July 05, 2008, 20:57 »

Is this the thread to pimp my blog post about wedding photographers being nice and stock photographers in general being snippy little bizznitches?

This thread is simple - vote for the model, or don't. But if you read a thread called "Please vote for my model" don't come thinking that maybe it was about "tips on improving" or something - it's to solicit votes FOR A MODEL.

(So she's deaf. It happens. I get the occasional deaf model because we live to close to NTID - some suck, some are great... the pic was worth voting for, so I did)

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #45 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:36 »

So miz, how about a tutorial detailing how to get banned from stock agencies and forums?

fotoKmyst · « **Reply #46 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:39 »

my goodness MIZ the worms are crawling out of your woodwork

that's ok, this is pimping, no matter how many supporters come to his rescue. look at how many visitors came but did not vote.
that must say something doesn't it?

photoshow · « **Reply #47 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:40 »

Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on July 05, 2008, 21:36

So miz, how about a tutorial detailing how to get banned from stock agencies and forums?

He should write a book on that

fotoKmyst · « **Reply #48 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:42 »

Quote from: photoshow on July 05, 2008, 21:40

Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on July 05, 2008, 21:36
So miz, how about a tutorial detailing how to get banned from stock agencies and forums?

He should write a book on that

somehow i don't think MIZ an expert on pimping

Mshake · « **Reply #49 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:45 »

Out of curiosity I went and looked at the rest of the contestants. There is page after page of them....some pretty nice ones and some not so nice ones.... and some pretty sleazy looking ones. Turns out you can vote for more then one model. Reason I decided not to vote for Stacey is I don't like the photo with the 944 logo right over her face. Couldn't you have given her a photo with more copyspace at the top? The vast majority of them have the 944 logo plastered over there face so all those are bad photos to me . Her being deaf plays no part into that decision for me. How hard of a worker she is or how good she is to work with also plays no role in it to me. If its a true model contest and not just a popularity contest then the decision on who to vote for should be based on how good the model and the photo looks.

If its just a popularity contest then its really just that and has no real meaning.

Take a look at Kyle Lardner, shes on the first page along with Stacey. Beautiful model with a fantastic photo that shows her face without the 944 across it. She got my vote.

photoshow · « **Reply #50 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:45 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 05, 2008, 21:39

my goodness MIZ the worms are crawling out of your woodwork

that's ok, this is pimping, no matter how many supporters come to his rescue. look at how many visitors came but did not vote.
that must say something doesn't it?

You want to see pimping I can show you pimping, I have about 10,000 stock photos spread throughout the agencies and I would be HAPPY to post them all here just for you!

As far as her not getting 100% of the votes, well who does? She is however so far the vote leader for the month so it would seem that there are pleanty of people who are finding the cover and the model worthy

photoshow · « **Reply #51 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:46 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 05, 2008, 21:42

Quote from: photoshow on July 05, 2008, 21:40
Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on July 05, 2008, 21:36
So miz, how about a tutorial detailing how to get banned from stock agencies and forums?

He should write a book on that

No but he is on getting banned

somehow i don't think MIZ an expert on pimping

fotoKmyst · « **Reply #52 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:49 »

Quote from: photoshow on July 05, 2008, 21:45

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 05, 2008, 21:39
my goodness MIZ the worms are crawling out of your woodwork

that's ok, this is pimping, no matter how many supporters come to his rescue. look at how many visitors came but did not vote.
that must say something doesn't it?

You want to see pimping I can show you pimping, I have about 10,000 stock photos spread throughout the agencies and I would be HAPPY to post them all here just for you!

As far as her not getting 100% of the votes, well who does? She is however so far the vote leader for the month so it would seem that there are pleanty of people who are finding the cover and the model worthy

until another photographer who is in a wheelchair submits his model entry

photoshow · « **Reply #53 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:49 »

Quote from: Mshake on July 05, 2008, 21:45

Out of curiosity I went and looked at the rest of the contestants. There is page after page of them....some pretty nice ones and some not so nice ones.... and some pretty sleazy looking ones. Turns out you can vote for more then one model. Reason I decided not to vote for Stacey is I don't like the photo with the 944 logo right over her face. Couldn't you have given her a photo with more copyspace at the top? The vast majority of them have the 944 logo plastered over there face so all those are bad photos to me . Her being deaf plays no part into that decision for me. How hard of a worker she is or how good she is to work with also plays no role in it to me. If its a true model contest and not just a popularity contest then the decision on who to vote for should be based on how good the model and the photo looks.

If its just a popularity contest then its really just that and has no real meaning.

Take a look at Kyle Lardner, shes on the first page along with Stacey. Beautiful model with a fantastic photo that shows her face without the 944 across it. She got my vote.

Yea Micahel I know what you are saying about the logo but if you have ever seen a 944 magazine you would know that on the actual puplication they move the logo to the background layer while on the contest covers they move it to the front as a watermark to prevent models from claiming they were actually cover models for the magazine when they were not.

photoshow · « **Reply #54 on:** July 05, 2008, 21:52 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 05, 2008, 21:49

Quote from: photoshow on July 05, 2008, 21:45
Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 05, 2008, 21:39
my goodness MIZ the worms are crawling out of your woodwork

that's ok, this is pimping, no matter how many supporters come to his rescue. look at how many visitors came but did not vote.
that must say something doesn't it?

You want to see pimping I can show you pimping, I have about 10,000 stock photos spread throughout the agencies and I would be HAPPY to post them all here just for you!

As far as her not getting 100% of the votes, well who does? She is however so far the vote leader for the month so it would seem that there are pleanty of people who are finding the cover and the model worthy

until another photographer who is in a wheelchair submits his model entry

Maybe but again I will remind you this contest has no prize for the photographer all prizes are awarded to the model not the photographer, they don't even ask for our info when the cover is submitted

fotoKmyst · « **Reply #55 on:** July 05, 2008, 22:02 »

Bobby, if you had just left the fact that Stacey was deaf, many photographers with deaf friends would not have found this "tacky".
MIZ was right in calling it pimping, and regardless of how many of your friends came to chastize MIZ and attack him personally, which I feel is
even more crass as this is not about MIZ, it's about whether this is seen
as pimping your image.
I don't doubt you have lots of images , so do many of those who voiced their opinion of your tackiness here.
I recognize some of their names and they voiced their opinion in support of MIZ.
This has turned sour , because most of the people who came in to your defence did so, more out of a personal vendetta rumble on MIZ because MIZ had turned their cranks in other threads

.

Beckyabell · « **Reply #56 on:** July 05, 2008, 22:40 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 05, 2008, 22:02

, because most of the people who came in to your defence did so, more out of a personal vendetta rumble on MIZ because MIZ had turned their cranks in other threads .

Thanks for speaking for me.

I have disliked Rjmiz for years now,and this is not the first time I have argued with him. My sticking up for Bobby has nothing to do with rjmiz's pathetic attempts for attention.

I stuck up for Bobby because he is my friend, mentor & business partner. Also because of the fact that we work together and I have inside knowledge of this situation and a close friendship w/ this model Stacey.

Bobby is promoting her, not his photography.

If we get HER closer to HER goal because of a few "tacky sympathy votes" then I'm sure niether Bobby or I will have any problems sleeping at night. And niether will she, You can ask her personally if you want??? I'll provide you w/ her myspace link.
B

Beckyabell · « **Reply #57 on:** July 05, 2008, 22:41 »

Quote from: rjmiz on July 05, 2008, 18:07

Quote from: Beckyabell on July 05, 2008, 14:52
I'm the new president of the 4000$ club!!!

It's the $5000 club Beckyabell....not the $4000

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

I'm so glad that I will never have to meet you in real life.

digiology · « **Reply #58 on:** July 05, 2008, 22:56 »

Wow! I just thought this thread was a nice gesture on Photoshows behalf to help promote one of his favorite models (who also happens to be deaf). Whats the big deal?

I didn't vote because I didn't want to create an account.

photoshow · « **Reply #59 on:** July 05, 2008, 23:46 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 05, 2008, 22:02

Bobby, if you had just left the fact that Stacey was deaf, many photographers with deaf friends would not have found this "tacky".
MIZ was right in calling it pimping, and regardless of how many of your friends came to chastize MIZ and attack him personally, which I feel is
even more crass as this is not about MIZ, it's about whether this is seen
as pimping your image.
I don't doubt you have lots of images , so do many of those who voiced their opinion of your tackiness here.
I recognize some of their names and they voiced their opinion in support of MIZ.
This has turned sour , because most of the people who came in to your defence did so, more out of a personal vendetta rumble on MIZ because MIZ had turned their cranks in other threads .

You find it tacky that is cool, why not go ask Stacey if she thinks it is tacky. I have tried to be reasonable with you now I will tell you the same thing I told Miz, who I have also dealt with many times over the years. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS this has nothing to do with you, vote or don't vote I could care less. In the grand scheme of things you are simply an insignificant annoyance. If she wins it will be because she has a good cover and it will be promoted hard. If someone else wins it will be for the same reason

fotoKmyst · « **Reply #60 on:** July 06, 2008, 09:29 »

the fact you came to this forum to pimp your image makes it a public business. SHAME SHAME!
from someone who has worked many years in STS and a personal friend of many deaf ppl, the consensus among us at work with is still tacky.
not on Stacy's part, but on your part. Shame!

dullegg · « **Reply #61 on:** July 06, 2008, 09:36 »

OK OK time out. I worked in Relay too, so let's end this forum that he pimped and he cannot get his head out of this hole.
What's the big deal anyway? That's not even a good photograph.

tan510jomast · « **Reply #62 on:** July 06, 2008, 09:52 »

Chill people! The damage is done. Let's hope leaf will close this thread
before someone gets a cardiac arrest.

vphoto · « **Reply #63 on:** July 06, 2008, 09:52 »

I find that this thread lacks entirely the amicability necessary for enjoying a forum.

photoshow · « **Reply #64 on:** July 06, 2008, 10:02 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 06, 2008, 09:29

the fact you came to this forum to pimp your image makes it a public business. SHAME SHAME!
from someone who has worked many years in STS and a personal friend of many deaf ppl, the consensus among us at work with is still tacky.
not on Stacy's part, but on your part. Shame!

Good for you but you are still irrellivant in the big picture so complain all you want now if you will excuss me I think I will go start a REAL PIMPING THREAD so you can learn what one looks like

Beckyabell · « **Reply #65 on:** July 06, 2008, 12:56 »

Quote from: fotoKmyst on July 06, 2008, 09:29

the fact you came to this forum to pimp your image makes it a public business. SHAME SHAME!
from someone who has worked many years in STS and a personal friend of many deaf ppl, the consensus among us at work with is still tacky.
not on Stacy's part, but on your part. Shame!

Do you really need to go this far out of your way to tell someone you don't agree with something? We get it! You Don't agree! Do you really need to keep posting over & over? 80% of this negativity is from you. Let it go. Jeez! Shame on you, for carrying on this arguement!!
Your just as bad as your buddy Miz!~
Just what we need is another member who likes controversy.
Shame.

Beckyabell · « **Reply #66 on:** July 06, 2008, 13:06 »

On a More cheerful note, Bobby Did you notice that she is almost too page 2 in overall votes? She has alot of friends and family rooting for her too.

B.

I think we should completely ignore the hateful people here and hopefully restore this thread to what it was intended for.

kgtoh · « **Reply #67 on:** July 06, 2008, 14:36 »

I really, really don't understand the level of unwarranted hostility in this thread.
Perhaps the original post could be viewed as "pimping"; perhaps the poster was less than perfectly politically correct.
Much worse pimping, whoring, trolling, and attention-grabbing occurs here on a daily basis.

btw, I don't personally know any of the individuals in this thread. I am not a supporter of anyone or an opponent of anyone, but really, one has to draw the line. When the usual clowns start biting visitors, it becomes less entertaining and more annoying.

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