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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2019, 11:45 »
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There are lots of subjects out there where there are no good images or videos and a buyer can't really just use something close.

Can you give an example of something? It would be interesting to see what you have in mind.


« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2019, 11:56 »
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There are lots of subjects out there where there are no good images or videos and a buyer can't really just use something close.

Can you give an example of something? It would be interesting to see what you have in mind.
How many videos of racially diverse families can you find in front of the eiffel tower?  Lots of people from all over the world travel to France to see the Eiffel Tower but not much content represents them.

« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2019, 12:17 »
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There are lots of subjects out there where there are no good images or videos and a buyer can't really just use something close.

Can you give an example of something? It would be interesting to see what you have in mind.
How many videos of racially diverse families can you find in front of the eiffel tower?  Lots of people from all over the world travel to France to see the Eiffel Tower but not much content represents them.

It would be interesting to see the demand vs. supply for different ethinicities.

I don't do any work with models, but if you do, this might be an area to work in.

« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2019, 13:15 »
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How many videos of racially diverse families can you find in front of the eiffel tower?  Lots of people from all over the world travel to France to see the Eiffel Tower but not much content represents them.

It would be interesting to see the demand vs. supply for different ethinicities.

I don't do any work with models, but if you do, this might be an area to work in.



Eitherway if i got it right, it will end up editorial. No sales to Benetton Group SpA :P :D


https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/known-image-restrictions.html
« Last Edit: March 25, 2019, 13:17 by georgep7 »

« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2019, 13:22 »
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How many videos of racially diverse families can you find in front of the eiffel tower?  Lots of people from all over the world travel to France to see the Eiffel Tower but not much content represents them.

It would be interesting to see the demand vs. supply for different ethinicities.

I don't do any work with models, but if you do, this might be an area to work in.



Eitherway if i got it right, it will end up editorial. No sales to Benetton Group SpA :P :D


https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/known-image-restrictions.html

Only the light show at night is protected. The Eiffel Tower during daytime you can sell as commercial all you want. :)

« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2019, 13:25 »
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How many videos of racially diverse families can you find in front of the eiffel tower?  Lots of people from all over the world travel to France to see the Eiffel Tower but not much content represents them.

It would be interesting to see the demand vs. supply for different ethinicities.

I don't do any work with models, but if you do, this might be an area to work in.



Eitherway if i got it right, it will end up editorial. No sales to Benetton Group SpA :P :D


https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/known-image-restrictions.html
The eiffel tower is ok for commercial use.

swisschocolate

  • A girl from the Alps
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2019, 13:28 »
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The eiffel tower is ok for commercial use.

During the day ;) without illuminations.

« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2019, 13:33 »
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The eiffel tower is ok for commercial use.

During the day ;) without illuminations.
Or at night if the lights don't work.

« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2019, 13:46 »
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Eiffel tower rights holder

"SETE - illuminations Pierre Bideau"

I know my English are not that good, but am I missing something?

:)

« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2019, 13:47 »
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Eiffel tower rights holder

"SETE - illuminations Pierre Bideau"

I know my English are not that good, but am I missing something?

:)
The lighting is protected which is only on at night.

« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2019, 13:49 »
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Aha! Thank you! :)

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2019, 15:55 »
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While I agree with most of what you have written on this thread, I will disagree about the buyer searching for the perfect image. They don't care if it's "The One" and only one, they want something to illustrate, as a side, as a background or something other than the main point of their use.
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But buyers don't shop for identical video by price, they shop by price, for what they need, just like consumers. And if they are looking for the subjects and the video that makes up most of Microstock, if they can't find it on one site, they will look on another. I don't think P5 is going to corner any market for Exclusive video, only available here, the only shot of something... that will benefit most artists. The plan would work for someone new maybe?
The point is that buyers don't necessarily need the perfect image but they can't use images of apples to sell oranges and many can't use a bad image of an apple to sell apples.  There are lots of subjects out there where there are no good images or videos and a buyer can't really just use something close. 
The reason having exclusive content is beneficial is that the more times a buyer can only find what they are looking for on P5 the more likely it is to be a buyer's first choice when looking for any content.

I like the second part. Except I really think you are taking this unique subject theory to the extreme. A buyer would need that unique subject and then a very special video, only available on P5 of that very unique subject. Yes they could sell, but not often.

Which is also similar to my, shoot things that aren't well covered and you might get a download. Ignore most popular, because that's already been down and there are way too many very good examples available.

Somewhere in the middle is probably best? But I wouldn't bank on a one of a kind shot as the path to greater earnings.

The first sentence is the theory of keyword spam, that if someone uploads apples and uses flawed tags, a buyer will buy their oranges image, because they saw it, and not because they wanted apples. Microstock is so full of fallacies and tricks, which make no sense and don't work. At least we can be amused by the means some people will try to play the system to make some pocket change?

With the whole choice at P5, two accounts, not much of an issue anymore is it. I can upload my best and unusual, which can bring the highest return to the exclusive account, and upload the scraps and out takes to Microstock. I also agree with not competing with myself and not supporting the race to the bottom.

« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2019, 16:23 »
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Except I really think you are taking this unique subject theory to the extreme. A buyer would need that unique subject and then a very special video, only available on P5 of that very unique subject. Yes they could sell, but not often.
The example I used was of a non-white family in front of the Eiffel Tower.  Is that an extreme view of uniqueness?  Would it be very special?  Seems like a very simple idea that would have a lot of sales potential but just isn't covered now.  I've said it a few times already but a unique clip or image doesn't need to be anything extraordinary, a great piece of art, a subject no one ever thought of before just something in demand that hasn't been covered (or a better take on something that has been covered).  There are still a lot of possibilities out there especially for video.

« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2019, 16:34 »
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There are lots of subjects out there where there are no good images or videos and a buyer can't really just use something close.

Can you give an example of something? It would be interesting to see what you have in mind.

a) Close up pictures of mars, Saturn, the sun. Close up view of live satellites orbiting the earth (not computer generated).
b) One on one interviews with celebrities, presidents, popes, etc exclusive 'behind-the-scenes/VIP/backstage' content
c) Difficult to obtain footage (i.e., North Korean soldiers marching, videos WITH signed releases of people in a live gunfight, genuine gore, car chase aerial view, etc)
d) FPV of animals chasing each other, perrigrine falcons chasing prey, etc, etc.

Just a few ideas off the top of my head...

« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2019, 22:25 »
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Except I really think you are taking this unique subject theory to the extreme. A buyer would need that unique subject and then a very special video, only available on P5 of that very unique subject. Yes they could sell, but not often.
The example I used was of a non-white family in front of the Eiffel Tower.  Is that an extreme view of uniqueness?  Would it be very special?  Seems like a very simple idea that would have a lot of sales potential but just isn't covered now.  I've said it a few times already but a unique clip or image doesn't need to be anything extraordinary, a great piece of art, a subject no one ever thought of before just something in demand that hasn't been covered (or a better take on something that has been covered).  There are still a lot of possibilities out there especially for video.

Easy, something that nobody every thought of before. Or I can just fly over to Paris, gets some models of not white and shoot some video of them

There are lots of subjects out there where there are no good images or videos and a buyer can't really just use something close.

Can you give an example of something? It would be interesting to see what you have in mind.

a) Close up pictures of mars, Saturn, the sun. Close up view of live satellites orbiting the earth (not computer generated).
b) One on one interviews with celebrities, presidents, popes, etc exclusive 'behind-the-scenes/VIP/backstage' content
c) Difficult to obtain footage (i.e., North Korean soldiers marching, videos WITH signed releases of people in a live gunfight, genuine gore, car chase aerial view, etc)
d) FPV of animals chasing each other, perrigrine falcons chasing prey, etc, etc.

Just a few ideas off the top of my head...

Or I could book a flight to the moon and get some unusual location shots that nobody else has. Go out into the wild for a month and wait for some once in a lifetime shot to happen. North Korea would welcome us documenting their troops. I'll just go ask famous celebs for video interviews, until somebody says yes, because they want to be on microstock. This is all so easy, I don't know why more of us haven't thought of that or done them already.

« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2019, 22:29 »
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Or I could book a flight to the moon and get some unusual location shots that nobody else has. Go out into the wild for a month and wait for some once in a lifetime shot to happen. North Korea would welcome us documenting their troops. I'll just go ask famous celebs for video interviews, until somebody says yes, because they want to be on microstock. This is all so easy, I don't know why more of us haven't thought of that or done them already.

Shhhhhhhhh! Don't repeat it... otherwise EVERYONE may copy that idea!!!!!!!!

« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2019, 22:48 »
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Except I really think you are taking this unique subject theory to the extreme. A buyer would need that unique subject and then a very special video, only available on P5 of that very unique subject. Yes they could sell, but not often.
The example I used was of a non-white family in front of the Eiffel Tower.  Is that an extreme view of uniqueness?  Would it be very special?  Seems like a very simple idea that would have a lot of sales potential but just isn't covered now.  I've said it a few times already but a unique clip or image doesn't need to be anything extraordinary, a great piece of art, a subject no one ever thought of before just something in demand that hasn't been covered (or a better take on something that has been covered).  There are still a lot of possibilities out there especially for video.

Easy, something that nobody every thought of before. Or I can just fly over to Paris, gets some models of not white and shoot some video of them
There are no short cuts or surefire get rich quick tricks out there.  If you are doing this full time it's a job like any other.  Sorry Paris isn't closer to your house but to be fair I wasn't trying to give you guidance on what to shoot.  If you just want stuff you can shoot around your house with your cellphone I don't think this is going to work out for you.  But seriously the example wasn't so crazy and is probably applicable to places near where you live.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2019, 22:51 by tickstock »


« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2019, 22:57 »
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Agree with OP.

Trust is broken.

Let's imagine a scenario where a big footage buyer calls up Pond5 and says
"I have budget of 10K and need 100 4K clips for a series we're doing... we have created lightboxes on competitor sites but we really prefer the P5 exclusive lightbox our interns created" ... what will P5 do? will they send them back to competitor? or "work with them" on a deal? think about it  ???

Perhaps P5 misunderstood buyers calls for exclusive content... exclusive is, exclusive. An exclusive news story is not exclusive if any station can run it. Pond5 "Exclusive" content will still be available to others on P5... oh, and P5 affiliates! 

Shutter and Getty have been doing "Custom Content"(Exclusive) briefs for specific clients that don't want royalty free and want hundreds of catered options for pennes on a dollar, good for them! I just feel terrible for all the starving artists fulfilling their requests. Might as well work in a sweat shop kid!

Bart




Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2019, 16:59 »
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Except I really think you are taking this unique subject theory to the extreme. A buyer would need that unique subject and then a very special video, only available on P5 of that very unique subject. Yes they could sell, but not often.
The example I used was of a non-white family in front of the Eiffel Tower.  Is that an extreme view of uniqueness?  Would it be very special?  Seems like a very simple idea that would have a lot of sales potential but just isn't covered now.  I've said it a few times already but a unique clip or image doesn't need to be anything extraordinary, a great piece of art, a subject no one ever thought of before just something in demand that hasn't been covered (or a better take on something that has been covered).  There are still a lot of possibilities out there especially for video.

Easy, something that nobody every thought of before. Or I can just fly over to Paris, gets some models of not white and shoot some video of them
There are no short cuts or surefire get rich quick tricks out there.  If you are doing this full time it's a job like any other.  Sorry Paris isn't closer to your house but to be fair I wasn't trying to give you guidance on what to shoot.  If you just want stuff you can shoot around your house with your cellphone I don't think this is going to work out for you.  But seriously the example wasn't so crazy and is probably applicable to places near where you live.

I never thought of shooting cell phone video, good idea.  ;)

If you knew where I lived, you wouldn't be saying that about places near where I live. I mean, here's the view East. In four miles there's nothing but lake for the next 90 miles. North is hardly different, except no giant lake, but less populated. Only 18 miles West and there's some four lane highway?


5 miles to the ghost town they call a city, 4 miles South to the "Big City" 11,642, and 2 1/2 miles to the village that has Marshals instead of police.

Just having some fun. I like the rural life, all the neighbors have dogs and are armed, but no one shoots each other. Certainly nothing like the city.

In fact I do agree with you that people can probably find something good or unique, without traveling far or going to France. Some places are just a bit more difficult.

fritz

  • I love Tom and Jerry music

« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2019, 17:26 »
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I know I buy things at the cheapest places

So do the buyers.
I really can't understand it...

"Exclusive" RF asset is more expensive, it is available in only one store and the whole "aura" of exclusivity is so misleading, it is never ever exclusive. What is the benefit of paying more? And still being ready that your competitor will buy the same stuff.

In addition to this, agencies make more money on non-exclusive content. So basically, they use the word "Exclusive" to sell more non-exclusive stuff.

This is what is happening on IS, I can buy a subscription to get non-ex, or I can buy a subscription and get ex+non-ex. So non-ex content has 100% chance to be sold, while ex content has only 50% chance. And in those 50% they will still compete with cheaper non-ex library.
Looking at this closely...

Exclusivity is a pure scam for an artist and a perfect marketing "story" for the agency.

I couldnt agree more

« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2019, 00:16 »
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I know I buy things at the cheapest places

So do the buyers.
I really can't understand it...

"Exclusive" RF asset is more expensive, it is available in only one store and the whole "aura" of exclusivity is so misleading, it is never ever exclusive. What is the benefit of paying more? And still being ready that your competitor will buy the same stuff.

In addition to this, agencies make more money on non-exclusive content. So basically, they use the word "Exclusive" to sell more non-exclusive stuff.

This is what is happening on IS, I can buy a subscription to get non-ex, or I can buy a subscription and get ex+non-ex. So non-ex content has 100% chance to be sold, while ex content has only 50% chance. And in those 50% they will still compete with cheaper non-ex library.
Looking at this closely...

Exclusivity is a pure scam for an artist and a perfect marketing "story" for the agency.

I couldnt agree more
Somehow I'm still making a full time living from it.  If all your content is the exact same as everything else you'll struggle exclusive or not.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2019, 10:04 »
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If all your content is the exact same as everything else you'll struggle exclusive or not.

Another simple fact that so many miss. But I could repeat the basics and still it seems like I'm speaking to a rock wall. Stock is all about what the images are.

Useful, unique, needed, original, diverse, and essentially that buyers want. Selling recycled same old, same old, that won't matter what agency or what license, destination = failure.

Yes I changed to P5 exclusive for video, I'm tired of supporting low paying, ineffective, waste of my time, agencies. And if I sell the same or a little less, that's fine with me. I won't be promoting lower commissions and taking advantage of artists. Not that I expect any agency cares what I do.

« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2019, 07:37 »
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Today i had a sale in Pond5.

newbielink:https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/75806859/pangea-continents-drifting.html [nonactive]

 it is priced $99.  They cut it to $71.1. And i got just $35...So my %50 is just %35....

How can we trust Pond5 when we go exclusive??? they can cut 30% whenever they need. This is happening to me very frequently... 6 months of trust seems very dangrous...[/font]
« Last Edit: April 06, 2019, 07:43 by leox83 »

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2019, 07:56 »
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Today i had a sale in Pond5.

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/75806859/pangea-continents-drifting.html

 it is priced $99.  They cut it to $71.1. And i got just $35...So my %50 is just %35....

How can we trust Pond5 when we go exclusive??? they can cut 30% whenever they need. This is happening to me very frequently... 6 months of trust seems very dangrous...[/font]

That's terrible, and to think you could have made sale for $1.50 commission on SS for the same sub. What's the world coming to?

« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2019, 17:07 »
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Today i had a sale in Pond5.

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/75806859/pangea-continents-drifting.html

 it is priced $99.  They cut it to $71.1. And i got just $35...So my %50 is just %35....

How can we trust Pond5 when we go exclusive??? they can cut 30% whenever they need. This is happening to me very frequently... 6 months of trust seems very dangrous...[/font]

Have you gone exclusive or do you have the item for sale cheaper elsewhere?


 

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