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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: Noedelhap on November 26, 2019, 12:49
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As you may know, some agencies use a different model when it comes to paying their contributors. Instead of the regular commission percentage per sale, these agencies share a percentage of their montly generated revenue amongst their contributors. The amount per contributor depends on the number of downloads compared to the number of downloads of other contributors.
Obviously, if the contributor's sales don't keep up, their monthly revenue will slowly diminish as better performing contributors get a bigger piece of the pie. The revenue per month is also directly linked to the performance of the agency as a whole, but in some ways this is also the case with agencies using a regular payment model.
So I'm trying to find out if this sharing model has any specific differences I'm missing. Could someone share some pros and/or cons compared to the regular model? Is this model intransparent or unfair? Is it something to avoid? Or is it a good and fair approach?
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I never heard of this model, to be honest.
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All the revenue sharing sites I've seen are tied to unlimited subscriptions... where buyers (and thieves) can download thousand of videos or images a month for a few pennies each. That's why I stay away from those sites.
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Yeah it's only used by sites that offer unlimited subscriptions. Pros and cons of subscription sites aside, revenue sharing is the only fair way to do it that results in the agency and the contributors getting the same percentage of revenue every month. If they did implement a set amount per download, you can guarantee that the agencies would err on the side of caution and set it too low (to compensate for months with higher than normal downloads)... so contributors would miss out.
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I think there are maybe more ways for the sites to "game" the system with a revenue share - like charge a huge fee to be a member and then a very low fee to get the subscription - only share based on the subscription fee. I am not saying that this is what is done, but I think there are more options for funny business. Sadly I think there are lots of ways for the sites to take a bigger piece of the action and the more opaque and black-box the payment system is the more ripe for abuse it is.
Didn't Istock use a revenue sharing system when they first started subs?
I'd like to see a guaranteed minimum per sale too - that way if the site offers some huge discount or free images for marketing or whatever they cover the difference.
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the only fair way to do it that results in the agency and the contributors getting the same percentage of revenue every month.
Quite a contradiction there.
If it was fair - then the contributors would've gotten a bigger percentage as they are the ones doing the work.
Then again, you have to come up with all sorts of bs excuses when you work for envato.
It's a part of being "creative"
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the only fair way to do it that results in the agency and the contributors getting the same percentage of revenue every month.
Quite a contradiction there.
If it was fair - then the contributors would've gotten a bigger percentage as they are the ones doing the work.
I completely agree. But in the real world that we live in, it's very rare that contributors ever get more than half of the sale price. With 50% on Elements, around 35% for non-exclusive on the marketplace and around 50 to 70% for exclusive on the marketplace... it's a lot higher than quite a few places.
But no, I dont work for Envato. And I dont make excuses for them... I usually just state facts and occasionally information from my own sales experience with them. Usually as a result of people making stuff up about them which isn't true, based on their own (usually) unfounded mistrust or dislike of them.
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First you claim to agree, then you go back to your bs "in the real world" .
Just because you have no self value and you're willing to sell your work for nothing, doesn't mean its the real world. It's YOUR real world.
Some gay male prostitutes have their "real world", everyone has its own "real world"
There's a huge difference, first of all,even @ envato market you only start with %50 , that quickly goes up to %70, and its over 10 years that model worked fair and square.
That's a sale price, which isn't the same as subscriber share. 50% - 70% on a $15 sale or $29 is far more than %50 on a $0.000005. (And let's not mention the Aussie tax laws which deduct another clean %30 out of your total!!, unless you're a commonwealth country)
But once again, I'm "one outta the two" people who in the world "suffer from an unfounded mistrust" of envato.
The rest are clearly not as "delusional" as I am, and they know Envato are honest and god-like.
You keep selling Space Planets and Azerbaijan map renders for your "fair share of %50" out of the 15 cents you get for it - > don't mind me.
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I agree that contributors should get more than 50%, but most agencies font pay more than 50%... so unless you want to avoid the majority of agencies, then theres not much we can do about it. There's nothing conflicting there and stating facts isn't bs. Unless you live in a world where the majority of agencies do pay more than 50%... or do you actualy not submit to any agency that pays less than 50%?
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the only fair way to do it that results in the agency and the contributors getting the same percentage of revenue every month.
Quite a contradiction there.
If it was fair - then the contributors would've gotten a bigger percentage as they are the ones doing the work.
I completely agree. But in the real world that we live in, it's very rare that contributors ever get more than half of the sale price. With 50% on Elements, around 35% for non-exclusive on the marketplace and around 50 to 70% for exclusive on the marketplace... it's a lot higher than quite a few places.
But no, I dont work for Envato. And I dont make excuses for them... I usually just state facts and occasionally information from my own sales experience with them. Usually as a result of people making stuff up about them which isn't true, based on their own (usually) unfounded mistrust or dislike of them.
50% on Elements??? Oh really?
Yes up to June 2019 then after that next to nothing after Envato moved the goal posts:
May 2019 $267.89 bonus
June 2019 $224.41 bonus
then
July 2019 $9.43 bonus
August $10.63 bonus
Sept. $0.00
Oct. $0.00
The revenue share scheme is a joke "based on my own actual observation of what they actually did"
Oh and they sold 80 of my images in October and I made a grand total of $13.67
or $0.17 per sale which is way below par compared to other agencies.
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SpaceStockFootage is the Envato groupie. Always excusing them for their actions.
It's years of conditioning, he's been so used to getting bullied and selling himself short.
Just doesn't make sense to read the nonsense he is typing anymore.
In the Envato forums he does complain, then someone "slaps" him, then he "obeys" again.
The ultimate beta male behavior.
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50% on Elements??? Oh really?
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about! Based on your actual observations... you don't like it. That's fine. Based on the actual facts... it is 50%. Envato Elements shares 50% of all revenue they make with contributors. You can throw whatever figures into the mix that you like based on how much you earn or don't earn... but that doesn't change anything. And once again, that's not me sticking up for anyone, that's me pointing out how it works.
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SpaceStockFootage is the Envato groupie. Always excusing them for their actions.
It's years of conditioning, he's been so used to getting bullied and selling himself short.
Just doesn't make sense to read the nonsense he is typing anymore.
In the Envato forums he does complain, then someone "slaps" him, then he "obeys" again.
The ultimate beta male behavior.
Yeah, but you see... it's your years of negative opinions of Envato, that's conditioned you to see me explaining that Elements pays out 50% of all revenue to contributors as... 'excusing them for their actions'. By saying that they pay out 50% and having the opinion that 50% isn't all that bad compared to a lot of other agencies... how is that excusing them for their actions or sticking up for them for being an Envato groupie?
As for your screenshot... I didn't understand how the calculation for the new bonus scheme worked. I expressed that in the forums, somebody explained how it worked... I realised what I was missing and then I understood. Where are you getting complaints from? When did anybody slap me? When did I then 'obey'?
Once again, your negative opinions of Enavto (and myself) seem to be warping reality for you slightly.
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"your observations" just comes to prove how oblivious your are to the opinion of others.(Plural, as in NOT just me, look here, its another person going after you)
Once again, you pin point everything on a particular person when in reality there's a bunch of folks out there. (but this won't register will it? you'll avoid responsibility for being hated among many)
You're a Shill ->
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
This way of narrow mindedness isn't only projected in your behavior,
Fortunately, your portfolio and aesthetic is pretty much parallel to your narrow mind.
"Shots of Space and Maps" - in what? 10 years, that's the only thing you can come up with.
You're not even a one trick pony, you're half a trick baboon.
You sure you wanna keep this discussion when you can render more maps and satellites ?
Those 15 cents for your 4k renders are out there !! go get them, tiger.
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"your observations" just comes to prove how oblivious your are to the opinion of others.(Plural, as in NOT just me, look here, its another person going after you)
Once again, you pin point everything on a particular person when in reality there's a bunch of folks out there. (but this won't register will it? you'll avoid responsibility for being hated among many)
You're a Shill ->
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
This way of narrow mindedness isn't only projected in your behavior,
Fortunately, your portfolio and aesthetic is pretty much parallel to your narrow mind.
"Shots of Space and Maps" - in what? 10 years, that's the only thing you can come up with.
You're not even a one trick pony, you're half a trick baboon.
You sure you wanna keep this discussion when you can render more maps and satellites ?
Those 15 cents for your 4k renders are out there !! go get them, tiger.
There you go again, getting personal and bring in a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the matter at hand. Envato Elements pay out 50% of the revenue they collect and compared to other agencies that's a pretty fair split. You seem to disagree, so I'm assuming you don;t submit to Shutterstock, iStock or Pond5? We're not on about whether the concept of Elements is fair, I made that clear in my first post in this thread and I've never commented on that in this thread... but you seem to have some vendetta against me purely for saying that Elements pays out 50% of the revenue collected and that's a pretty fair commission split compared to others?!
As for my space and maps... surprisingly enough (maps aside, but they kind of fit) I don't add non-space stuff to my space related account! I do to other accounts. It's called branding ->
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branding
As for 15 cents for my 4K renders... you get 0 cents for your 4K renders because you're not on Elements. That's the point where you say... well I get considerably money for my 4K renders, because I sell them at agencies that provide a fair price. That where I say... yeah, so am I, but I get the Elements revenue on top, which adds an extra $1K or so a month. And I'm pretty sure they're very different customer bases, so it's not like my sales at other sites are taking a hit as a result. May sales are growing at the major sites.
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50% on Elements??? Oh really?
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about! Based on your actual observations... you don't like it. That's fine. Based on the actual facts... it is 50%. Envato Elements shares 50% of all revenue they make with contributors. You can throw whatever figures into the mix that you like based on how much you earn or don't earn... but that doesn't change anything. And once again, that's not me sticking up for anyone, that's me pointing out how it works.
Its quite obvious where your loyalties lie.
Figures speak for themselves and I'll just choose to ignore an obvious Envato shill in future ;D
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Envato Elements pay out 50% of the revenue they collect and compared to other agencies that's a pretty fair split.
If it was really that simple, you wouldn't have needed to post a question in their forums, would you?
The reason you asked a question was:
I didn't understand how the calculation for the new bonus scheme worked. I expressed that in the forums, somebody explained how it worked... I realised what I was missing and then I understood.
Can you count how many times you used the word "I" here???
You're choking on your on crap. It literally sounds that way, just read out loud what you typed.
You're a shill, and even till now you don't understand how their "revenue sharing" system works.
You can only fool yourself, and the moderators who still didn't ban you for being a shill.
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You know I'm a moderator right? I am the one who bans... to borrow a quote.
Yes, I didn't understand the bonus scheme, but it was explained to me.and cleared up within a matter of hours. I understand now! But none of that changes the fact that 50% of the revenue is distributed to contributors. Me having to repeatedly state that the commission rate is 50% (which it is!) because people seem to think otherwise for no clear reason, has nothing to do with where my loyalties do or not lie!
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You know I'm a moderator right? I am the one who bans... to borrow a quote.
Is that a veiled threat? ::)
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Guys, I value everyone's opinion in my thread and I'm looking forward to see more people adding insight on the revenue sharing model, but take your personal fights somewhere else, please.
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Guys, I value everyone's opinion in my thread and I'm looking forward to see more people adding insight on the revenue sharing model, but take your personal fights somewhere else, please.
Its not a personal fight I just just dislike blatantly inaccurate information being passed off by by people with a vested interest in promoting Envato and then making veiled threats to "ban".
But I digress as to the revenue scheme operated by the likes of Envato it isn't worth the paper its written on. They started a share scheme 2 years ago and then
pulled the legs from under it in June once they got their hands on "high quality images".
The revenue is now shared amongst their pet photographers, anyone else gets crumbs or nothing.
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Guys, I value everyone's opinion in my thread and I'm looking forward to see more people adding insight on the revenue sharing model, but take your personal fights somewhere else, please.
Its not a personal fight I just just dislike blatantly inaccurate information being passed off by by people with a vested interest in promoting Envato and then making veiled threats to "ban".
But I digress as to the revenue scheme operated by the likes of Envato it isn't worth the paper its written on. They started a share scheme 2 years ago and then
pulled the legs from under it in June once they got their hands on "high quality images".
The revenue is now shared amongst their pet photographers, anyone else gets crumbs or nothing.
Welcome to envato...the agency that gives 50% of nothing...
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I just just dislike blatantly inaccurate information
Exactly the same for me! It's just that you're the one with the inaccurate information and I'm the one with the accurate information. You feel it's the other way around, but I'm afraid it's not! If you could point out one inaccurate statement I've made in this thread then I'd be happy to reconsider that!
They started a share scheme 2 years ago and then
pulled the legs from under it in June once they got their hands on "high quality images".
The revenue is now shared amongst their pet photographers, anyone else gets crumbs or nothing.
If by 'pet photographers', you mean people who actually sell images, then you're right. You're also very wrong and slightly self-centred if you think that the Photodune content contributes any kind of significant numbers to the overall revenue pool at Elements. Or Envato for that matter. Your 'high quality images' aren't all that big a deal I'm afraid!
But you make it sound like the bonus is distributed manually... to people they like. They've just updated the bonus scheme to make it reflect actual earnings. Which, because you don't earn much... you don't like. If you earned a lot then your bonus would have gone up. I mean come on... if you're making $20 or $30 a month then even you, in your limited capacity for understanding, must think that a $225 bonus is a bit extreme?!
People who used to earn about $500 are still getting their $225 bonus. People who used to earn $1000/$2000 are getting considerably more (as they should) and people who are earning $10 or so, get next to nothing. They basically took the money they used to use for the bonus... and added it to the money they distribute for actual earnings. You may be earning less as a result, because you earn such a low amount, but it's definitely fairer.
and then making veiled threats to "ban".
It was a joke based on a line from Breaking Bad. And a correction. Aside from blatant spammers, I think I've only banned one person in the past few years... and that was temporary. The ability for people to express their opinions or concerns is important to me... no matter how stupid, misguided, misinformed or idiotic they may be. My main goal is to inform, but with some people, it's like talking to a brick wall. But hey... that's the way I roll!
And even if it was a threat, which it wasn't... I think being banned from the forums of one's least favourite stock agency, is unlikely to lose anyone any sleep!
But yeah... I basically feel like Envato is Obama, I'm the press secretary for Obama, and you lot are Trump supporters. It doesn't matter what I say or how true it is... it's wrong. Just because! Based on multiple political leanings, and where people might fit in that analogy... it's only fair that I also say that I feel like Envato is Trump, I'm the press secretary for Trump and you lot are Obama supporters. It doesn't matter what I say or how true it is... it's wrong. Just because!
The difference is... I don't have to make stuff up. I don't make excuses for Envato. I don't have to. I just state the facts. Facts that a whole bunch of people just choose to ignore, or feel that I'm lying or making stuff up or cheerleading for Envato. Come on guys... stop and think for a moment. Read through this thread! I have been, and am repeatedly saying that Envato share 50% of the revenue and that 50% is a pretty fair share based on the share provided by other agencies. That's pretty much it, aside from a few other topics we've covered. And for some reason that makes me the anti-*, a blatant liar, a shill, probably some descendant of Hitler. I just don't get where you're getting this from... where the vitriol, is coming from?!
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They've just updated the bonus scheme to make it reflect actual earnings. Which, because you don't earn much... you don't like. If you earned a lot then your bonus would have gone up. I mean come on... if you're making $20 or $30 a month then even you, in your limited capacity for understanding, must think that a $225 bonus is a bit extreme?!
So "fair %50 revenue for all" or is it "bonuses for the best sellers" ?
Cause these 2 at the same time can't exist. %50 equal revenue means %50 equal.
It's that simple.
Fact is, only @ Envato Elements you don't get to see how many downloaded your item!
Why don't you ever mention that? How is that "fair" ??
If you're so much about facts, why don't you ever touch that subject?
How can you even calculate how much $$ you get per download when elements won't tell you how many downloads you've had?
Does Adobe Stock Hide that information from you? does Shutterstock? Getty?
No. Even in Getty or Shutterstock you're notified about every subscription user download.
It might end up being $0.05 , but they have the decency and honesty to tell you.
That's what you're into, facts no? So where does this fair act in your equilibrium of justice play ?
Can you elaborate to why envato doesn't share that information with its users?
Or how "fair" do you think this is" ?
You, work for envato, and you moderate these forums, this will be a proof of how corrupted these forums are.
And for some reason that makes me the anti-*, a blatant liar, a shill, probably some descendant of Hitler.
There's huge difference between a Liar, a Shill and a descendant of Hitler.
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And for some reason that makes me the anti-*, a blatant liar, a shill, probably some descendant of Hitler. I just don't get where you're getting this from... where the vitriol, is coming from?!
Sorry but I called you a shill; in no way did I mention you being a descendent of Hitler
and its not vitriol I state the facts and you have a hissy fit I just don't get where you're getting this from... ;D
And thanks for clarifying that Envato don't give a sh*t about photos/photodune I'll stop uploading there and delete the account and go make money at a real agency that doesn't operate a share scheme like theirs.
:-*
P.S. I've never watched Breaking Bad ::) ::)
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You should check it out, it's pretty good!
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So "fair %50 revenue for all" or is it "bonuses for the best sellers" ?
Cause these 2 at the same time can't exist. %50 equal revenue means %50 equal.
It's that simple.
They only can't exist at the same time if you don't understand it. They do pay out 50% of all revenue... but surprisingly enough, if the Envato revenue is $1m in a month, you don't get $500,000. If you were the only contributor you would, or if there were 100 contributors and only your content was downloaded... then you would. That's how the revenue share works. The bonus also works that way, but the money that makes up the bonus scheme comes from the revenue generated by people who have a subscription but haven't downloaded anything.
Which is another thing that makes it fair... they've paid Envato and not downloaded anything. There would be nothing stopping Envato from just keeping that money, but they share it out at 50% as well.
Fact is, only @ Envato Elements you don't get to see how many downloaded your item!
Why don't you ever mention that? How is that "fair" ??
Pretty sure all subscription services work that way. Adobe, Shutterstock and Getty don't hide that information because they don;t offer unlimited subscription services. Why didn't I bring it up? Because the thread is about revenue share, my answers have been about revenue share, I'm attempting to explain revenue share to people who refuse to believe how it works and nobody brought up the lack of sales stats.
You mentioned Getty... why didn't you mention their super-low commission rate? The same reason I didn't mention the payout dates, review process, acceptance rates, sales taxes, VAT, review process, item removal, search rankings, management, staff, marketing, social media approach, upload process, subscription price.... It's got screw-all to do with what we're talking about. You just brought it up because you're possibly finally accepting that they actually pay out 50%, so you need to throw something else into the mix that you can be unhappy about, and continue to hate Envato for!
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The problem with Elements is not the 50% share of earnings. The problem is the unlimited downloads, which in my case resulted in almost half of my ‘sales” earning me nothing, while the rest only earned me between $0.01 and $0.20. Now last time I check 50% of zero is still zero. Now, if there was a cap on downloads, resulting in an acceptable earnings per download I would not have a problem with the 50% share of earnings.
I believe those contributors doing well on Elements by receiving the majority of the bonus payments are not photographers. They are selling other media types. I do not see any future for photographers on Elements where a subscriber for $16 can potentially download your whole portfolio in one month. Sites like Elements are the real danger to the stock photography industry and I strongly encourage photographers not to support them.
If you request withdrawal from Elements, be very careful of their games. I requested my withdrawal from Elements middle September. I received confirmation that all my images will be removed by 31 October (why not 30 September?). They then proceed to immediately block my access to my Elements author page to prevent me from seeing my daily sales stats. Come 31 October and my images are still available on Elements and they ignore my e-mail messages. By middle November out of desperation I proceeded to delete all my images manually to protect them from further exploitation. After several more messages, my one image left was removed from Elements on 28 November and my PhotoDune page also closed (almost a month later than agreed). They say they will pay me the outstanding amount, but since they blocked my access to my author page I have no idea how much is owned to me.
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@Noedelhap apologis for the offtopic.
@Bad Robot
if you don't mind can you share your envato sales number for May -Jun vs Jul - Aug 2019?
May 2019 $267.89 bonus
June 2019 $224.41 bonus
then
July 2019 $9.43 bonus
August $10.63 bonus
Sept. $0.00
Oct. $0.00
The revenue share scheme is a joke "based on my own actual observation of what they actually did"
Oh and they sold 80 of my images in October and I made a grand total of $13.67
or $0.17 per sale which is way below par compared to other agencies.
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@Noedelhap apologis for the offtopic.
@Bad Robot
if you don't mind can you share your envato sales number for May -Jun vs Jul - Aug 2019?
May 2019 $267.89 bonus
June 2019 $224.41 bonus
then
July 2019 $9.43 bonus
August $10.63 bonus
Sept. $0.00
Oct. $0.00
The revenue share scheme is a joke "based on my own actual observation of what they actually did"
Oh and they sold 80 of my images in October and I made a grand total of $13.67
or $0.17 per sale which is way below par compared to other agencies.
Hi George any reason why you want to know?
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Guess from own curiosity. Reading older threads and opinions, I am trying to understand if bonus is linked to selling numbers?
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Guess from own curiosity. Reading older threads and opinions, I am trying to understand if bonus is linked to selling numbers?
The Envato/Photodune bonus is linked to how many images are accepted by them in a 90 day period i.e. 10 images per 90 days.
But even if you get the required number of images accepted you certainly do not get anything like the 50% bonus they provided up to June 2019.
Now its a few dollars if that.
And even though I uploaded images and they were accepted I still didn't get any bonus in September or October.
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Got it. Thanks for answering :)
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Whether you get the bonus or not is linked to how many images are accepted... but how much bonus you get is linked to selling numbers.
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how much bonus you get is linked to selling numbers.
it's not linked to selling numbers, because you are not the one selling the images. (what happened to your obsession with "facts" now?, the taxation is with the Australian Tax Treaty since Envato is selling the images)
Unlike Envato Market, in Envato Elements you're basically granting them the right to sell the images.
That's why they don't claim Elements is a "Platform" like Envato Market is.
They are downloaded as part of an unlimited plan, and the bonus is in relativity to others.
So lets say your image was downloaded 10k times, but others' images were downloaded a million.
You'll get a tiny fraction, if you're lucky, since it could be $0.001 you might've just given away your work for free, 10 thousand times.
Now that's just with images, but in reality, you're competing with Videos / Website themes / Sound files etc...
Let's not even mention the fact everything on elements gets pirated in seconds to illegal websites.
Good luck to Elements contributors, you're going to need it.
This is exactly what Spotify did to music, they've succeeded to some extent, but many musicians still refuse and reject their idea.
Envato just "copied" Spotify's concept into the Stock Image/Video/Template world.
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That's as may be. But absolutely none of that relates to the fact that... yes, how much bonus you get is linked to selling numbers. That's a fact. None of that is influenced by how much you dislike Elements, how many people may download your content, how much you may get per download, how much you get taxed, who is selling your content etc etc.
I just find it weird that I say something like "the bonus is linked to selling numbers" and you seem to read that as "the bonus is linked to selling numbers and Elements is amazing, and super perfect... the best platform to sell your work in the universe! They don;t charge you any taxes, they pay out 200% of revenue and you get about $1000 per download. Yay!"
If you want to complain about, dispute, argue or debate what I'm saying... that's fine. But you seem to want to complain about, dispute, argue or debate a whole bunch of stuff... that I haven't said!
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again. it's not linked to selling numbers.
you aren't selling your content, nor is Envato.
The content is included within the unlimited subscription.
The only "selling numbers" are subscriptions. That's the only financial transaction that's being made.
Financial transactions are what "sales" and "selling" are.
The bonus is linked to downloads. not sales, not selling numbers. stop lying.
If it was really linked to "selling numbers" than it wouldn't matter how many people download your photos or website template. Because Envato had X amount of new subscribers.
So if there was a huge amount of new subscribers, then you'd have a big bonus, regardless of downloads, just because of incredible "selling numbers".
But its not, how many people OUT of those selling numbers end up downloading your content is what makes the bonus.
The rest of your reply is once again, a total exaggeration and off-topic, just like that hitler example earlier.
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again. it's not linked to selling numbers.
you aren't selling your content, nor is Envato.
The content is included within the unlimited subscription.
The only "selling numbers" are subscriptions. That's the only financial transaction that's being made.
Financial transactions are what "sales" and "selling" are.
The bonus is linked to downloads. not sales, not selling numbers. stop lying.
If it was really linked to "selling numbers" than it wouldn't matter how many people download your photos or website template. Because Envato had X amount of new subscribers.
So if there was a huge amount of new subscribers, then you'd have a big bonus, regardless of downloads, just because of incredible "selling numbers".
But its not, how many people OUT of those selling numbers end up downloading your content is what makes the bonus.
The rest of your reply is once again, a total exaggeration and off-topic, just like that hitler example earlier.
He said selling numbers, I just used his turn of phrase. Of course it's downloads. Downloads, selling numbers... same thing. You don't honestly believe that I was insinuating (or that anybody thinks) that the bonus (and by extension the actual earnings) are just shared out to everyone equally... which is how it would have to be done if it was based on the selling numbers, i.e. the revenue generated from subscription sales?! So somebody who has one item on Elements and zero downloads would get the same as somebody who has loads of items and gets thousands of downloads?
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None of that is influenced by how much you dislike Elements, how many people may download your content,
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I was referring to this part...
So lets say your image was downloaded 10k times, but others' images were downloaded a million.
You'll get a tiny fraction, if you're lucky, since it could be $0.001 you might've just given away your work for free, 10 thousand times.
But just to clarify... are you still disagreeing that Envato pay out 50% of their Elements revenue? If anyone wants an abridged version of this conversation, then htye should just read this (well, it;s how it feels like anyway):
Envato pay out 50% of all Elements revenue to contributors.
No they don't, they hide the download numbers.
Yeah ok, but they do pay out 50% of all Elements revenue to contributors.
No, they pay next to nothing per download.
Yeah, they might... but they do pay out 50%
No, they charge withholding tax so you don't even get all that much.
Yeah right, but that doesn't change the fact that they pay out 50%.
Yeah but you don't get 50% because you're competing with videos and websites.
Sure you are, but they still pay out 50%.
Apart from the mixup with the whole 'selling numbers' / 'downloads' thing (and maybe the bit above that I admit could be misconstrued)... when have I said anything in this thread that was untrue?
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Does not matter what version of payment THEY choose for us, we all have to remember that IT IS OUR creativeness thats makes these sites and without our creative skills and hard work they would be nothing. We as contributors to these sites should group together and demand a fairer share of the REVENUE that OUR images generate for these multinational corporations that treat us with contempt.