Author Topic: Really good things I noticed about Alamy (Read 7993 times)

Dreamframer · « **on:** December 07, 2008, 17:06 »

I really like keywording system on Alamy, and I like that their search engine won't show you zillion of images of the same author and the same subject from different angles. It will show you only one image of one author, but it will also show you number of similar images of the same author, so if you like what you see, you can click on that authors name and see the rest of images. If I have red grapes in a basket on the ground, why would I need more keywords that red, grapes, basket, ground...and maybe few more keywords added. If designer knows what he want's I am sure he will not search for grapes using: " mediterannean, france, healthy, organic, soft, refreshing" etc etc. Even if it is refreshing and juicy and healthy and so on, I think I wouldn't search for grapes using this words.
I really think 10-15 words are enough for every image to be found, and we would be free of spamming. Am I right or not? What do you think? Maybe I'm making a mistake

bittersweet · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2008, 17:24 »

Quote from: whitechild on December 07, 2008, 17:06

I really think 10-15 words are enough for every image to be found, and we would be free of spamming. Am I right or not? What do you think? Maybe I'm making a mistake

Okay, describe these images adequately with 15 keywords or less:
AH5DXG
B24XPM
B49GW7

Dreamframer · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2008, 17:58 »

On the first image you have:
three same symbols # , and you have 12 more symbols which means 13 keywords. So, you can add word "symbols" and word "black". That's 15

On the second image:
You have 20 symbols, which is still much less than 50 keywords, even if you use one keyword for every symbol. 20 is not to much I think

On the third image:
you have 5 math symbols (> < X >> <<), at least 3 currency symbols ( dollar, pound and euro), two padlock symbols....that give us option to make 22 keyword for this image even if we want to mention every symbol in this image.
Look what Author wrote: " i, info, information, world, password, item, close, checkmark, accept, back, return, front, proceed, end, beginning"
I don't think I would want this image if I search for "world, front, proceed..."

bittersweet · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2008, 18:05 »

To be honest, I do not even know how to view the keywords on Alamy. I was just showing that 10-15 words is not enough for many images. I do agree that some people go overboard, but others should not be penalized in order to compensate for them.

I also agree that the "similar images" in the search results is a great feature.

madelaide · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2008, 18:30 »

Whitechild,

We can only see the keywords entered in the third keyword field (forgot its name), which are the less relevant.

Regards,
Adelaide

Dreamframer · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2008, 18:50 »

Aha...thank you madelaide

I didn't know that. I just wanted to say that 50 words is too much by my opinion. I think the rule: "One image is worth thousand words" doesn't apply very much in microstock industry

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2008, 22:58 »

Quote from: whitechild on December 07, 2008, 17:06

I really like keywording system on Alamy,

Holy Cow WhiteChild, no offense, but did you bump your head on a cupboard door on your way to your collection of thesaurases? Man oh man, Alamy's keywording is fine in theory but in practice it is sheer lunacy. Three levels of keywords with x-number of letters allowed in each category is too much. Okay two levels maybe, but three?

Peter

goldenangel · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2008, 23:59 »

I also like that they are trying to discourage keyword spamming. The three levels are enforcing division of keywords by relevance even if it is giving us a lot of work when submitting.

The first two levels of keywords are not visible "to protect photographers intellectual property". I never considered keywords of an image to be much of an intellectual property. After all, a lot of us use the keywording sites by searching similar images to ours and then "stealing" keywords from these images. Question: How does knowing of image's keywords affect photographers intellectual property, from Alamy's point of view?

I also love the feature of not displaying series of similar images from the same photographer. This helps with more diversified search results and can certainly help photographers with smaller portfolios to be more visible.

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2008, 07:34 »

Quote from: Zeus on December 07, 2008, 22:58

Quote from: whitechild on December 07, 2008, 17:06
I really like keywording system on Alamy,

Holy Cow WhiteChild, no offense, but did you bump your head on a cupboard door on your way to your collection of thesaurases? Man oh man, Alamy's keywording is fine in theory but in practice it is sheer lunacy. Three levels of keywords with x-number of letters allowed in each category is too much. Okay two levels maybe, but three?

Peter

Have you ever searched for anything on Alamy? It works pretty well.

madelaide · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2008, 08:47 »

Quote from: goldenangel on December 07, 2008, 23:59

The first two levels of keywords are not visible "to protect photographers intellectual property". I never considered keywords of an image to be much of an intellectual property. After all, a lot of us use the keywording sites by searching similar images to ours and then "stealing" keywords from these images. Question: How does knowing of image's keywords affect photographers intellectual property, from Alamy's point of view?

I think that, in their concept, it is not fair to someone who has taken the time to keyword his images accurately and thoughtfully that someone comes with a similar image and copies everything. What is not so wrong, even if this is not actual "intellectual property".

Regards,
Adelaide

Dreamframer · « **Reply #10 on:** December 08, 2008, 08:55 »

Have you ever searched for anything on Alamy? It works pretty well.
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Right...it works pretty well. Maybe you have to putt some effort to write keywords, but in the end the result is file that buyers will find easily. IS also have complicated way of keywording. I don't think it's a waste of time to spend some time in keywording an image that will bring you between 100 and 200$ in one sale. It's worth it, much more than image that will bring you few cents-few dollars.

hali · « **Reply #11 on:** December 08, 2008, 09:10 »

Quote from: madelaide on December 08, 2008, 08:47

Quote from: goldenangel on December 07, 2008, 23:59
The first two levels of keywords are not visible "to protect photographers intellectual property". I never considered keywords of an image to be much of an intellectual property. After all, a lot of us use the keywording sites by searching similar images to ours and then "stealing" keywords from these images. Question: How does knowing of image's keywords affect photographers intellectual property, from Alamy's point of view?

I think that, in their concept, it is not fair to someone who has taken the time to keyword his images accurately and thoughtfully that someone comes with a similar image and copies everything. What is not so wrong, even if this is not actual "intellectual property".

Regards,
Adelaide

i have to agree with Adelaide . The third keyword box is the only visible one, so this actually
prevents someone copying keywords en masse. which in most times, ends up with the problem of keyword spamming, as not all the keywords may be relevant. therefore, the restriction for the first two boxes. And it works so much better. like you say, you don't get one contributor flooding the search with their images. This is fair to everyone, and definitely not so frustrating to a buyer.

lagereek · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2008, 09:17 »

The keywording system on Alamy is very effective, stopping spammers etc, Imagine if the Micros would have had the sense to do this? they would have had twice the turnover.
Then again Alamy invested a lot in their search, namely expertise and money.

Dreamframer · « **Reply #13 on:** December 08, 2008, 11:55 »

Quote from: Zeus on December 07, 2008, 22:58

Quote from: whitechild on December 07, 2008, 17:06
I really like keywording system on Alamy,

Holy Cow WhiteChild, no offense, but did you bump your head on a cupboard door on your way to your collection of thesaurases? Man oh man, Alamy's keywording is fine in theory but in practice it is sheer lunacy. Three levels of keywords with x-number of letters allowed in each category is too much. Okay two levels maybe, but three?

Peter

I never told someone here that he "bump a head on a cupboard door on hes way to a collection of thesaurases". Yes, this is a free forum, but we all should have minimum respect to each other

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #14 on:** December 08, 2008, 13:44 »

Quote from: whitechild on December 08, 2008, 11:55

Quote from: Zeus on December 07, 2008, 22:58
Quote from: whitechild on December 07, 2008, 17:06
I really like keywording system on Alamy,

Holy Cow WhiteChild, no offense, but did you bump your head on a cupboard door on your way to your collection of thesaurases? Man oh man, Alamy's keywording is fine in theory but in practice it is sheer lunacy. Three levels of keywords with x-number of letters allowed in each category is too much. Okay two levels maybe, but three?

Peter

I never told someone here that he "bump a head on a cupboard door on hes way to a collection of thesaurases". Yes, this is a free forum, but we all should have minimum respect to each other

My apologies, of course. I try a little tongue in cheek humour on these forums and I always fall flat on my face. In real life I actually make people laugh but the written word is so much different than the spoken word. Very complex, really.

Peter

Dreamframer · « **Reply #15 on:** December 08, 2008, 14:07 »

I appreciate your apology Peter. Yes, often when you write something it causes unexpected reaction because people can't imagine your face when you write it. No problem. Sorry because I misunderstood your joke.

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