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« on: July 06, 2007, 17:09 »
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Any experience of this one.

An Australian agency- seems pretty active there.

http://www.redbubble.com/


« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007, 11:59 »
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Anyone joined yet?  I'm about to.  Getting a little tired of the microstock "smiling business blonde with laptop & cell-phone on white" cookie-cutter carousel.  On this one it doesn't seem you have to worry about noise/artifacts/etc, just provide images with good artistic themes.  In other words, it seems like they let you actually be yourself.

« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2007, 12:04 »
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I joined recently.  One sale so far.  It is a great site to use and you get lots of nice comments.

http://www.redbubble.com/people/britishphotos/art

« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 12:27 »
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Yep...I've been there about ten days now and have three sales: two cards and one print.  Highly recommend the site!

http://www.redbubble.com/people/karimala
« Last Edit: October 08, 2007, 13:24 by Karimala »

« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 13:16 »
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I have also joined it. Looks promising. I doubt it will make me rich but I like the concept.

« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 15:39 »
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I don't like that they display large photos without a proper watermark, so I am not uploading my best selling microsock images to them.

« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2007, 16:48 »
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Do they sell digital files or only prints & stuff?

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 16:50 »
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I don't like that they display large photos without a proper watermark, so I am not uploading my best selling microsock images to them.
They don't have ANY watermark, do they? Or is it optional? Because I don't see any.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 17:02 »
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There is an optional one but it is small text on the right side.  It isn't a proper watermark.

« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 18:22 »
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I joined this evening after seeing Karimala's  post elsewhere.

The preview photos are big and the watermark optional but it is small and in one corner, not much good to be honest.

The trend seems to be for the more arty style so perhaps images that would not be considered good for stock could be money earners at RedBubble.


« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2007, 19:31 »
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I added everyone I recognised to my watchlist.  It might help everyone get noticed if others click through.   I just signed up last week.  I like that you can send the stuff you like, but is too overprocessed for stock.  You can also design with text, etc. which is different.

http://www.redbubble.com/people/pixart
« Last Edit: October 08, 2007, 19:32 by Pixart »

« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2007, 20:23 »
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I just registered as well.

« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2007, 21:31 »
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I'm in.

« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2007, 23:43 »
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in as well

« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2007, 01:44 »
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I joined a couple of days ago. Its a great fun site, and such a relief to think about something other than stock when I take pictures! ;D

« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2007, 01:48 »
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I don't like that they display large photos without a proper watermark, so I am not uploading my best selling microsock images to them.

They don't have ANY watermark, do they? Or is it optional? Because I don't see any.

Regards,
Adelaide


Is the lack of a watermark likely to be a problem? As an experiment I 'lifted' an image off it's viewing page and saved it to my disk. I got a 27kb JPEG image file and a thief can't do much with that.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2007, 01:50 by Bateleur »

« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2007, 01:50 »
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Just a thought, there seems to be a very relaxed attitude towards copyrighted products which images are offered for sale? Lots of company labels.
What's up with that, any comments.


« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2007, 01:53 »
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Just a thought, there seems to be a very relaxed attitude towards copyrighted products which images are offered for sale? Lots of company labels.
What's up with that, any comments.

Aussies are incredibly laid back   ;)

But I would guess the buck's gonna stop with the photog in this case. RedBubble will probably say "We're only the intermediaries".  Take care.

« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2007, 01:57 »
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I guess after a year of stock I'm paranoid about copyrighted labels!!

« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2007, 02:29 »
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I don't like that they display large photos without a proper watermark, so I am not uploading my best selling microsock images to them.

They don't have ANY watermark, do they? Or is it optional? Because I don't see any.

Regards,
Adelaide


Is the lack of a watermark likely to be a problem? As an experiment I 'lifted' an image off it's viewing page and saved it to my disk. I got a 27kb JPEG image file and a thief can't do much with that.

Did you click on "View Larger"?  It is an 800x533 image.  I think that could be useful to some people.

« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2007, 02:34 »
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Just a thought, there seems to be a very relaxed attitude towards copyrighted products which images are offered for sale? Lots of company labels.
What's up with that, any comments.

As I understand it, there is a difference between selling images for commercial use on a microstock site and selling an image as a piece of "art" with redbubble.  Perhaps it is because microstock images can be used commercially and in advertising but redbubble images are for private use.  Probably sensible to be cautious though.

« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2007, 03:13 »
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Is the lack of a watermark likely to be a problem? As an experiment I 'lifted' an image off it's viewing page and saved it to my disk. I got a 27kb JPEG image file and a thief can't do much with that.

Did you click on "View Larger"?  It is an 800x533 image.  I think that could be useful to some people.


Ah ... no ... I didn't.

And, yes, I guess that could be useful for things like web sites. I think I'll hold off with Red Bubble until they've got a better watermarking system.

« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2007, 06:37 »
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The RB people doesn't really seem to share our concerns regarding watermarking.
I doubt there will be any change their unless a lot of users requests it.
I started a thread in their forum

http://www.redbubble.com/forums/9/topics/3491-why-not-a-proper-watermark?page=1#posts-40366

But there seems to be a negativity against proper watermarking there.
They say people steal images anyway.....

« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2007, 10:09 »
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The RB people doesn't really seem to share our concerns regarding watermarking.
I doubt there will be any change their unless a lot of users requests it.
I started a thread in their forum

http://www.redbubble.com/forums/9/topics/3491-why-not-a-proper-watermark?page=1#posts-40366

But there seems to be a negativity against proper watermarking there.
They say people steal images anyway.....



I've read the forum and, actually, it seems like most of the negativity is coming from the moderator who, presumably, is a staff member.

"They say people steal images anyway ..."

Yeah, and people break into houses. But that doesn't mean we don't lock our doors at night.

I'm avoiding this site for the moment. Why? Because it seems to me they're not bothered about their contributors ...

a) They have quite a number of images on show that have copyright issues, but they don't seem to have any policy on this. My guess is they'll pass the buck to the photog if there's any trouble, claiming simply to be a distributor.

b) In the watermark discussion the moderator says, ... our feedback (and our personal feelings) tell us that a large watermark detracts from the artwork, dampening the buying/viewing experience. This sounds to me like they're principally interested in shifting as many images as possible. Again they don't seem to care about the individual owners of those images.

Great idea. Pity about the details.

« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2007, 16:49 »
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I guess after a year of stock I'm paranoid about copyrighted labels!!

I think the same rules on trademarks etc apply to RedBubble, but we have to police our own submissions ...

... When you submit or upload content on the RedBubble website you represent and warrant that:

you own all copyright in the content, or if you are not the owner, that you have permission to use the content, and that you have the right to display, reproduce and sell the content. You license RedBubble to use and sub-license the content in accordance with this agreement;
you and your content do not and will not infringe the intellectual property rights or other rights of any person or entity, including copyright, moral rights, trade mark, patent or right of privacy; ...


and ...

You keep the copyright of any content you submit or upload to the website. In order to receive the RedBubble services you grant RedBubble a non-exclusive royalty free license to use and archive the content in accordance with or as reasonably contemplated by this agreement.

and if there are problems then ...

6. Indemnity
6.1 You hereby indemnify and will keep RedBubble indemnified from and against all claims, debts, accounts, expenses, costs, liens, actions and proceedings of any nature whatsoever, whether known or unknown by any person, arising from, incidental to, or by virtue of, the appointment, or any breach or non performance of your obligations under this Agency Agreement or arising out of your wilful act, neglect or default in the performance of such obligations.


They seem to be the standard sort of T&C we agree to at stock sites, yes?


« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2007, 20:27 »
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I just uploaded one of my t-shirt designs there.
http://www.redbubble.com/people/tdoes/clothing/247511-2-genie-isolated


« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2007, 08:41 »
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Joined this afternoon...and felt welcomed almost immediately. Very friendly site. It's such a relief to upload without obsessing over goddamn artifacts!


« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2007, 13:04 »
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How are the sales over there for those who joined recently? Any feedback guys/gals?

« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2007, 13:31 »
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I have only sold 1.  There seems to be lots of photographers and not many buyers.

« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2007, 13:35 »
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Ahhh i`m really tempted to join but i guess i`ll wait awhile until they can get a decent watermark.
I`ll give it a few weeks. ;)

« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2007, 13:55 »
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I really like redbubble. I ultimitely removed everything though due to the lack of watermark. 

« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2007, 16:15 »
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First time I've ever looked at it...   I checked out some of the competition in natural landscapes...   seems to be some very heavily enhanced work there. Pretty much like what I'd expect in a gallery setting as artwork.  So heavy, I know it wouldn't be accepted in the likes of SS, IS and others that shoot down so readily for that reason.   I like the look, but I've tried to submit stuff like that and get rejected...  "over filtered" "over enhanced".. etc.    If it werent for this watermark issue, I might consider them with all the 'artsy'  stuff I can't get accepted elsewhere.  8)-tom

« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2007, 16:41 »
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I have only sold 1.  There seems to be lots of photographers and not many buyers.


Just found this posted on the RedBubble journal (this is only part of the entire entry, but thought this might be of interest):

Well October was a busy month. Heres a few interesting stats from the last month:
- 1,981 sales notifications sent;
- 7,812 items of art ordered;
- 90,000 new works uploaded;
- 5,000 new members; and
- 350,000 comments

« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2007, 17:01 »
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I don't like that they display large photos without a proper watermark, so I am not uploading my best selling microsock images to them.

They don't have ANY watermark, do they? Or is it optional? Because I don't see any.

Regards,
Adelaide


Is the lack of a watermark likely to be a problem? As an experiment I 'lifted' an image off it's viewing page and saved it to my disk. I got a 27kb JPEG image file and a thief can't do much with that.

Did you click on "View Larger"?  It is an 800x533 image.  I think that could be useful to some people.

yeah,  I just right clicked a nice sized image out of there.... it could easily be used in webpages...    crisp and sharp...  I don't think I'll be uploading there....   yes, I dumped the image, I only lifted it to check out  what I would be putting at risk....   nice site, I could probably get some decent sales there for my artsy stuff..   but, I ain't giving it away to web builders.      8)=tom

« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2007, 05:20 »
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I have sold one thing.

It appears the majority of the buyers the sellers themselves. For instance with T Shirts, anyone with a graphic program can download pics and logos and make their own cheap T Shirts. Once they order it themselves, they delete the file.

I don't see much advertising for Red Bubble.

« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2007, 12:34 »
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Thanx for the comments and the RB forum link. It seems that RB ridicules the demand for watermarking. So be it. You have the right not to upload. I won't.


 

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