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ironarrow

« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2009, 10:24 »
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The fact is, when you type "vector" into IS search form, one of most popular files are these files:

I don't want to offend anyone, but I think these illustrations are not so complicated

Whitechild maybe what I will say now is going to help your IS application as an illustrator.

These will never be accepted by IS as one of the first 3 samples. The first 3 has got to be special. If you can prove that you can do it, then you are totally free to send this kind of work in.


« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2009, 12:45 »
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The fact is, when you type "vector" into IS search form, one of most popular files are these files:

I don't want to offend anyone, but I think these illustrations are not so complicated

Whitechild maybe what I will say now is going to help your IS application as an illustrator.

These will never be accepted by IS as one of the first 3 samples. The first 3 has got to be special. If you can prove that you can do it, then you are totally free to send this kind of work in.
Of course I know that ironarrow. I didn't talk about application only. I am telling about things that sell. And application is something special of course.
You know I am pretty sure I will get in as an illustrator. I had the same problems when I was applying for photographer at SS, but I did it in the end...

ironarrow

« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2009, 12:55 »
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The fact is, when you type "vector" into IS search form, one of most popular files are these files:

I don't want to offend anyone, but I think these illustrations are not so complicated

Whitechild maybe what I will say now is going to help your IS application as an illustrator.

These will never be accepted by IS as one of the first 3 samples. The first 3 has got to be special. If you can prove that you can do it, then you are totally free to send this kind of work in.
Of course I know that ironarrow. I didn't talk about application only. I am telling about things that sell. And application is something special of course.
You know I am pretty sure I will get in as an illustrator. I had the same problems when I was applying for photographer at SS, but I did it in the end...


My hat is off to you my friend if you are prepared for that hard work ;) Way to go!

I hope you get it but IS is much harder as you already know.

« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2009, 13:36 »
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..... So, If indeed you expect to create best selling vectors in 6 months, give up.. Honestly:)

It's doable!

ironarrow

« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2009, 14:09 »
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..... So, If indeed you expect to create best selling vectors in 6 months, give up.. Honestly:)

It's doable!

It is doable I agree! But not by everyone. And probably I worded it wrong! Best seller vector, doesn't always mean good vector!

As long as someone is approved by IS, I don't call them wannabes as I believe in IS approval standards (apart from some lucky exceptions that got in while it was a much smaller site)

« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2009, 14:58 »
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[email protected] If you wanna be such a mystery, why dont you just keep quiet ?   Theres plenty of Sherlock Holmes here that like to reveal your portfolio... :o
« Last Edit: January 20, 2009, 15:12 by Magnum »

« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2009, 18:35 »
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In my language, there is a phrase, stop ironing people, meaning stop bothering or annoying everybody. It would be interesting if you would show us your vectors that are product of 25 years worth of drawing.

ironarrow, I would like to ask you a question.. Do you speak any other language except English? I'm just curious...


ironarrow

« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2009, 19:52 »
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@ magnum
You made a very good point I believe. I will do just that I guess.

@ whitechild
If somebody wants to stay anonymous I think it is understandable. I decided I will stay anonymous for good. I might even close this account as you guys don't like anonymous comments.

This is going to be my last post on this thread.

My comments have been very honest and into face. If you don't like honesty I understand.

If I had been saying "wow, whitechild, this is amazing, you are doing the best illustrations since Leonardo Da Vinci" you wouldn't want to know my portfolio, nor would you want me to prove that I am an expert.

When people make negative but honest comments, and when they are not licking a...., basically when they are honest, they are the worst people in the world and they need to prove that they are experts, otherwise you are not going to listen to them.

As I said If I was all positive towards your illustrations you would have been like "oh, thank you" and you would walk away without needing to know my port or what languages I speak.

But when it is bad you think I only need to be an expert to say it is bad.

I am who I say I am. I am honest, I am straight. I don't lie, I don't lick a.... and for future reference I will not lick a... in the future too.

According to you only a talent like, let's say Salvador Dali can rate you and someone who is not a good illustrator can not make a comment and can not say that your illustrations are bad. Is that right?

At first, I don't see why you come to this thread while it was obvious I didn't point at anyone but just used the term "wannabe"

This proves that you so obviously know that you are a wannabe? If not, sorry but it is how it looks.

Do not be in denial. I have been honest all the way, I will keep being honest until the end.

You can pretend being Van Gogh for as long as you want  ;)

Take care and all the best. This is definitely my last post here, at least for this thread. I don't want to offend anyone else.

You people, all of you just proved that you can only accept anonymous compliments. When it comes to criticism you basically can't take it.

If I was to impersonate you guys I would go just like this: Oh my god, I have just been criticised, who . is this guy. It is not me, It is him. It can't be me since I am the best wannabe, oups, sorry illustrator. I can't be criticised. If I am criticised It means there is something wrong with the guy who criticises me, because obviously I am so great.

Yeap, typical wannabe, always in denial, never honest to him/herself.

I criticise people because I believe harsh criticism brings the best out of them. Good luck for your future efforts.

I am done, thank you all. Now, cool off  :D
« Last Edit: January 20, 2009, 19:59 by ironarrow »

« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2009, 20:01 »
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A painter doesn't need to be Van Gogh or Picasso to be successful. An actor doesn't need to win an Oscar to be successful.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2009, 21:51 »
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I think I understand what Ironarrow is trying to say, even if he's a bit rough in saying it. Lately it seems the word is "Vectors sell much better than photos." So everyone who can get their hands on vector software is trying to crank out illustrations. I have no problem with that, if you can create something that gets approved and will sell, more power to you. But I do agree that someone who has experience as an illustrator or designer will have an advantage in that they know WHAT to draw and HOW to draw it.

I only do vectors. I have dreams of being a photographer some day, but when I read the forums covering tips, critiques, etc. I realize how much I would need to know about photography before i was any good at it. So I'm not going out and spending thousands on a Nikon just yet.

I'm more than happy to post a link to my portfolio. What you'll see is a very wide variety of topics, styles, and level of complexity. Almost every one of them started as a pencil sketch of an idea. All critiques and commentary are welcome. I'll post my istock port, since it's the largest:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&userID=1869469 [nofollow]

« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2009, 22:13 »
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So does ironarrows taking offense to the responses to his post make him a wannabe MSG member :) :)

Vector graphics are an attractive medium for many photographers I believe.  No models, no intricate lighting set up, no post processing (albeit vector art is really just one long post process in my opinion) and the ability to create whatever they want.  I agree with what several others said in that the micro sites are the ones dictating quality.  However as also mentioned above some rather simple designs sell very well.  I think it's quite common for people who have been doing something for quite some time to think of the new comers as jumping on the band-wagon and wannabes.  It's unfortunate however that some feel compelled to brow-beat those they feel superior to. 


I'm still not sure what ironarrow was trying to accomplish , was he trying to offend, lead, or rant?  I took no offense by the post (I'm not a wannabe... horray!!!) as I know the few vectors I have done are simplistic crap.  However those vectors have ALL been accepted and ALL sell much better than most of the pictures I have.

Now if you will pardon me, I need to finish my newest vector; a series of squares in four different colors :)     

« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2009, 05:51 »
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ironarrow, I am pretty sure you will still follow this thread for some time, even if you don't want to post here. So, I want to tell you this:
If you want to say something "very honest and into face" than you can't expect some respect if you stay anonymous. We have to see your face too, because maybe we also want to tell you something "very honest and into face". Staying anonymous you have no arguments. I don't take advices from anonymous persons.

Microbius

« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2009, 07:10 »
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I don't think that anyone has a problem with anonymous posting in general.
It is when all a person's posts are so extremely arrogant and insulting to others.
If you want to base an online persona on how great you are at microstock compared to your peers how can you expect to get away with it without showing your work?

« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2009, 08:12 »
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And it doesnt help that SS takes just about everything, making people think theyre goood ???

« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2009, 08:53 »
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I don't think that anyone has a problem with anonymous posting in general.
It is when all a person's posts are so extremely arrogant and insulting to others.
If you want to base an online persona on how great you are at microstock compared to your peers how can you expect to get away with it without showing your work?


Well said Microbius. All posts from this user are like this one...

« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2009, 09:10 »
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This type of post is called trolling, one posts controversial messages and gets tons of responses. I think it worked it this case :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll


As melastmohican has said, this is a classic example of internet trolling. People should simply refrain from replying to such posts.

« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2009, 09:47 »
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Although I also think this person sounded a little arrogant, I don't think he qualifies for being a troll!
He made some valid points, and he didn't offend somebody personally!

I agree there's a lott of crap vectors on Shutter. But being talented doesn't mean you should feel more important than those without talent.
I personally feel pity sometimes for some contributors, and I think they will never make it. But I have respect for their hard work and consistency.

Talent is gift, you cannot praise yourself for something that has bin giving to you!


« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2009, 10:03 »
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Oh boy ....never ending story.........
@everybody...........not defending me or ironarrow or anyone else but he made a point just like all of you and if you listen very carefully to his and other who's pointing out something he's not the bad guy he is willing to help everybody who's able to listen.
At least he helped me pointing out some issues with my vectors and it's up to me if I'm willing to listen to his expertice and do something about it........... you never to old to learn .............Have a nice day   

helix7

« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2009, 10:07 »
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...However as also mentioned above some rather simple designs sell very well.  I think it's quite common for people who have been doing something for quite some time to think of the new comers as jumping on the band-wagon and wannabes.  It's unfortunate however that some feel compelled to brow-beat those they feel superior to.

I don't think we're talking about simple designs here. Simple designs are not necessarily bad images, which I think is more the point of what ironarrow is talking about. The stuff that bothers him (I think) is the stuff that really does look like a 6-year-old kid drew it. Images with awkward gradients, stiff outlines, very rudimentary shapes, etc.

Vectors may sell better than photos, but it seems that sites like SS are too willing to overlook some quality standards in favor of getting more vectors into the collection.



« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2009, 21:06 »
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i think it's not just reviewers solely who judge the quality of an image,
it's the buyer who'd be giving final judgement with their decision of buying or skipping the image.


 

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