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« on: December 22, 2020, 03:19 »
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Does anybody rename filenames with a text like a title for getting better SEO / ranking / google ranking?

Deposit advice to do it.

AND about copyright / producer information:
wirestock blocks all photos which have copyright information - just found out myself. And other agencies just change it to i.e. NAME-adobe or they take out of the copyright information - see other threads about this.
In this case, what are you doing?
For wirestock take the information of copyright out to get it uploaded - and same for other agencies, who might not accept files with copyright information?

Most dont touch the producer field, which at least still shows, who did the shoot. Is that really enough for us contributor?
And in case of google for the future, which needs the copyright information. Does it mean, we have to stop uploading to selected agencies who not caring about our copyright information to get a better ranking on google?



Uncle Pete

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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2020, 10:45 »
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Does anybody rename filenames with a text like a title for getting better SEO / ranking / google ranking?

Deposit advice to do it.

AND about copyright / producer information:
wirestock blocks all photos which have copyright information - just found out myself. And other agencies just change it to i.e. NAME-adobe or they take out of the copyright information - see other threads about this.
In this case, what are you doing?
For wirestock take the information of copyright out to get it uploaded - and same for other agencies, who might not accept files with copyright information?

Most dont touch the producer field, which at least still shows, who did the shoot. Is that really enough for us contributor?
And in case of google for the future, which needs the copyright information. Does it mean, we have to stop uploading to selected agencies who not caring about our copyright information to get a better ranking on google?

For wirestock take the information of copyright out to get it uploaded - and same for other agencies, who might not accept files with copyright information?

Can you explain that for me? As far as I know, and I don't contribute to everyplace everywhere, all of the major agencies just strip all the data, except title, description and keywords. Some only take two of those.

Where is the copyright information in the IPTC that Wirestock won't accept? Do they refuse the images or do you man they take it out?

Just a note for anyone still thinking of Wirestock, they list all the images as Wirestock, no artist names are included, not even for the Instant Pay. Everything is marketed as Wirestock. I'd assume they don't want any images downloaded with anyone else's name included. Just like the rest of the agencies, who don't want buyers to have other data embedded like my website or my email, Etc.

Yes some places use the original file name and the first six words are used by search engines which may display your image when someone does a search. So if you have a file name "old building fall trees cropped" that's pretty much nothing, but if you have "Martha Mary Chapel Sudbury" and someone searches for that, you'll appear. Some agencies, your file name is important.

Some agencies their system assigns a file name and the original means nothing. You have to determine which is which and how important that might be for getting more sales from the search.

Example:  https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=photo+martha+mary+chapel+sudbury&qpvt=photo+Martha+Mary+Chapel+Sudbury&form=IGRE&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover

Pinterest, Blogspot, Freefoto, Yelp, Flickr, eBay who cares? FAA, Shutterstock, Alamy, and I'm sure there are more.

« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2020, 11:47 »
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Does anybody rename filenames with a text like a title for getting better SEO / ranking / google ranking? NO filenames have no bearing on SEO/ranking/google ranking

Deposit advice to do it. Depositphotos do not advise this

AND about copyright / producer information:
wirestock blocks all photos which have copyright information - just found out myself. And other agencies just change it to i.e. NAME-adobe or they take out of the copyright information - see other threads about this.  All agencies strip metadata except for title, description and keywords
In this case, what are you doing? I just name the file and add metadata as I see fit

For wirestock take the information of copyright out to get it uploaded - and same for other agencies, who might not accept files with copyright information?  I add copyright info including name contact details etc in the metadata and I've never had a problem

Most dont touch the producer field, which at least still shows, who did the shoot. Is that really enough for us contributor? If its not then don't submit files

And in case of google for the future, which needs the copyright information. Does it mean, we have to stop uploading to selected agencies who not caring about our copyright information to get a better ranking on google?
Google would get the copyright flag from the image provided by the agency your last portion makes little to no sense.  Any agency can supply the image producers name if required

ShadySue

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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2020, 11:49 »
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And other agencies just change it to i.e. NAME-adobe or they take out of the copyright information - see other threads about this.
In this case, what are you doing?
You can choose from two options:
1. Accept it
2. Don't send your files to these agencies, which is probably all, and certainly most, of the 'known names'
There are no other choices.

« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 12:09 »
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Thank you Uncle Pete, again reply on a question from me :)

#Where is the copyright information in the IPTC that Wirestock won't accept? Do they refuse the images or do you man they take it out?#

When I upload images to wirestock with the copyright information in the IPTC, then they DIRCTLY disappear after the upload - same like error upload. I asked them about this when I did not yet know why they just disappear after 100 % upload. I also sent them an example image via email to check it. But no answer yet. That happened before for other reasons: to long title or to many keywords (51 instead of 50). Thats why I checked these on stocksubmitter again and saw that I put the copyright name on these images. ( I newly do it, because I did not know about the necessary before) So I found out that that must be the reason. I took the copyright name out and upload again and it passed / appear in my submit folder on wirestock.


Your link is in deed interesting. Unfortunately the filenames are not visible to check if there are images uses normal filenames or titled/keyword filenames. But it seems to be good to use title/keyword filenames wherever because we cannot definitely know which agencies are using it. Well, one time change the filename and upload to all is one time work. But I would not do it for the lower quality images.
But I also learned: If I will create a own website in the future, then these titles/keywords in the filename are very important and THEN of course the copyright name either.

« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2020, 12:24 »
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Bad Robot, you say on one side:

#NO filenames have no bearing on SEO/ranking/google ranking#

But then you write: # I just name the file and add metadata as I see fit#
Name it in the meaning of changing filename with keyword title? For what, if it have no bearing on SEO...
Or name it in the meaning of title in the metadata?

# I add copyright info including name contact details etc in the metadata and I've never had a problem# Strange that we have different experiences. I will give it a new try with some other images. But in my case indeed all with copyright names disappeared directly. If no copyright name, but with producer name, no problem.
But it might be also a general problem of reading the stocksubmitter metadata for wirestock. The keyword order I used in stocksubmitter, ALWAYS changed to the opposite  on wirestock - most important keywords appears at the end. And sometimes they are just mixed without any rule. Also for that I send them example images and they are still investigate it.



Uncle Pete

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2020, 17:20 »
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I'll try to keep this short and simple. You are saying that if you have a copyright name in a file IPTC, the image is rejected at Wirestock and disappears? But if you remove that data, it goes through fine?

Where in IPTC do you have that copyright data, there are pages and many places that you could have that. What field specifically? I don't want to cause an error myself, but you don't say where it is in your IPTC data?

Interesting that keyword order is reversed, if I understand first word become last and last word becomes first? I'd write to wirestock support if I were you. They are responsive.

« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2020, 22:03 »
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#I'll try to keep this short and simple. You are saying that if you have a copyright name in a file IPTC, the image is rejected at Wirestock and disappears? But if you remove that data, it goes through fine?

Where in IPTC do you have that copyright data, there are pages and many places that you could have that. What field specifically? I don't want to cause an error myself, but you don't say where it is in your IPTC data?#

Uncle Pete, you are right, I was not clear enough. Sorry, did not sleep 2 days, lol.
Well, the copyright name I filled in on Lightroom first, then I filled in the title and keywords on Stocksubmitter. If I open the image again on Lightroom the copyright name and the keywords appears in the right order. If I do not safe it again on Lightroom, the keyword order will not change to alphabetical order.

So might be I should have said that the uploaded images on wirestock, which directly disappear after 100% upload - not appear in the to submit folder, because of the filled in copyright name on Lightroom (not Stocksubmitter).

The order of keywords (filled in with Stocksubmitter) you got me right: #first word become last and last word becomes first#
I send Wirestock example images via email and into the to submit folder, so that they can check that with the keywords. They are still working on it - 2 weeks now or so. And yes, I am not upset with Wirestock in that case, because they are always thankful to get response like this, so that they can investigate it and work on their system to make it better.

--> Something went wrong with the upload from picture attach. I will try again later.

« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2020, 22:09 »
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another try with the attachment ;D

« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2020, 06:18 »
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Bad Robot, you say on one side:

#NO filenames have no bearing on SEO/ranking/google ranking#

But then you write: # I just name the file and add metadata as I see fit#
Name it in the meaning of changing filename with keyword title? For what, if it have no bearing on SEO...
Or name it in the meaning of title in the metadata?

# I add copyright info including name contact details etc in the metadata and I've never had a problem# Strange that we have different experiences. I will give it a new try with some other images. But in my case indeed all with copyright names disappeared directly. If no copyright name, but with producer name, no problem.
But it might be also a general problem of reading the stocksubmitter metadata for wirestock. The keyword order I used in stocksubmitter, ALWAYS changed to the opposite  on wirestock - most important keywords appears at the end. And sometimes they are just mixed without any rule. Also for that I send them example images and they are still investigate it.

I name the files according to my internal filing system

For example Cake 1, Cake 2 for photos of cakes

Dog 1, Dog 2, Dog 3 for photos of dogs

File names have no influence on SEO

I think you are confusing a file name i.e. Cat 1. jpg with an Image Title and Description which is in the metadata of the file

i.e. Filename Cat 1.jpg

Image Title could be "Cat Eating her Lunch"

Description could then be " A tabby cat eating her lunch from a bowl in the kitchen"

The agencies and google do not use the image file name in SEO

However agencies and Google will use the Image title, description and keywords in SEO
« Last Edit: December 29, 2020, 05:27 by Bad Robot »

« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2020, 06:21 »
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another try with the attachment ;D

You should use your full name not a psuedo name as the copyright owner.

Copyright status "Copyright"

This is for your own records only as the agencies generally remove this data anyway

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2020, 13:07 »
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another try with the attachment ;D

You should use your full name not a psuedo name as the copyright owner.

Copyright status "Copyright"

This is for your own records only as the agencies generally remove this data anyway

And the reason I asked what field is, I often have my name in the Copyright and haven't had the same issue with uploads to WS. Very odd. Just about over WS anyway.  ;)


« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2020, 21:47 »
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In case Bad Robot is right, that changing filenames does not help for SEO and ranking and copyright names even get removed from most agencies, both have now need to do.

Might be I missunderstood Googles new system, which collects ITPC data for easier search/publish copyright names?

On the other side there are people saying, Google is very important for ranking and others say, since 2013 Google is not important in that case anymore - until now.

The problem is, who we can trust?

One more fact, that nobody cares about the creater/contributor/copyright owner. I cannot get yet why? Well, removing copyright names I understand why, but all which helps for a better ranking should be a win win for agencies and contributor, isnt it?

Same like not informing contributor about best keywording. Instead of general information, special information are also very important and needed for contributor - like Adobe the weight of the first keywords and so on.
I have seen my own that Adobe and other agencies (not many) changes or add keywords to our images. So, might be they decide which image is good for them to show and support with their added keywords? Then I can understand it. Images which are in Adobes mind not that salable, they will not work on it. Better or best images, which have bad keywords, they add and change the keywords. Could that the idea behind? So that bad images wouldnt get up in ranking because of best keywords? Makes sense for me.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2020, 12:35 »
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In case Bad Robot is right, that changing filenames does not help for SEO and ranking and copyright names even get removed from most agencies, both have now need to do.

Might be I missunderstood Googles new system, which collects ITPC data for easier search/publish copyright names?

On the other side there are people saying, Google is very important for ranking and others say, since 2013 Google is not important in that case anymore - until now.

The problem is, who we can trust?

One more fact, that nobody cares about the creater/contributor/copyright owner. I cannot get yet why? Well, removing copyright names I understand why, but all which helps for a better ranking should be a win win for agencies and contributor, isnt it?

Same like not informing contributor about best keywording. Instead of general information, special information are also very important and needed for contributor - like Adobe the weight of the first keywords and so on.
I have seen my own that Adobe and other agencies (not many) changes or add keywords to our images. So, might be they decide which image is good for them to show and support with their added keywords? Then I can understand it. Images which are in Adobes mind not that salable, they will not work on it. Better or best images, which have bad keywords, they add and change the keywords. Could that the idea behind? So that bad images wouldnt get up in ranking because of best keywords? Makes sense for me.

No Adobe doesn't add or change keywords, the feature makes suggestions sometimes. I have no added keywords on any of my images. (that I've ever seen) How you index your images will make that happen. SS changes the order to Alpha and sometimes related words will make your image found even without that word in your keywords. SS also changes the order of keywords importance sometimes, but we can't do that ourselves.

You can assume, although not 100% true, that all agencies will strip any metadata that they don't use. That means copyright field. Add if you want, I do, but don't think that anything that gives extra information to a client, especially the artists website or name in copyright, is going to be transmitted. No it doesn't help them to promote you?

Someone would have to start a list of all the agencies and have an account and look at their image, as downloaded, to verify what data is really available to buyers when they download. What you see on a site, without an actual download, might not be what you imagine the buyers will get.

Google isn't the end all, there's also Bing, which isn't the largest but does have some dedicated and default search users. Nearly half of the US searches on Bing, does everyone here want to ignore half the people in the US? Bing controls 36% of the US desktop search market. Would you ignore 1/3rd of the potential buyers?

Open your thinking, don't be limited by distracting details.


« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2020, 19:50 »
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Google isn't the end all, there's also Bing, which isn't the largest but does have some dedicated and default search users. Nearly half of the US searches on Bing, does everyone here want to ignore half the people in the US? Bing controls 36% of the US desktop search market. Would you ignore 1/3rd of the potential buyers?...
bing # seemed high - here's another view

In October 2020, online search engine Bing accounted for 6.18 percent of the global search market, while market leader Google had a market share of 88.14 percent. Chinese search engine Baidu's market share was 0.59 percent.
Ever since the introduction of Google Search in 1997, the worldwide market share of all search engines has been rather lopsided. Google has dominated the search engine market, maintaining an 86.86 percent market share as of July 2020.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/216573/worldwide-market-share-of-search-engines/

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2020, 12:24 »
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Google isn't the end all, there's also Bing, which isn't the largest but does have some dedicated and default search users. Nearly half of the US searches on Bing, does everyone here want to ignore half the people in the US? Bing controls 36% of the US desktop search market. Would you ignore 1/3rd of the potential buyers?...
bing # seemed high - here's another view

In October 2020, online search engine Bing accounted for 6.18 percent of the global search market, while market leader Google had a market share of 88.14 percent. Chinese search engine Baidu's market share was 0.59 percent.
Ever since the introduction of Google Search in 1997, the worldwide market share of all search engines has been rather lopsided. Google has dominated the search engine market, maintaining an 86.86 percent market share as of July 2020.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/216573/worldwide-market-share-of-search-engines/

Maybe my numbers came from Bing?  ;D I wouldn't doubt a bit of anything that Google is the largest and has the most users. I looked at another site and it has Google at 92% November 2020. Here's one that looks reasonable:  https://www.oberlo.com/blog/top-search-engines-world
Partly because Bing is actually behind others website and search, they are using Bing, not their own technology.

Obviously Google is the master and the largest, just not the only one. Some of us points collectors use Bing? Every few weeks (I think it's that?) I get $5 from Microsoft, in the form of an Amazon gift card, which is fine with me.

The number I found for the US was 36% of the desktop market belongs to Bing, not the world.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2020, 12:28 »
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wirestock blocks all photos which have copyright information - just found out myself. And other agencies just change it to i.e. NAME-adobe or they take out of the copyright information - see other threads about this.
In this case, what are you doing?
For wirestock take the information of copyright out to get it uploaded - and same for other agencies, who might not accept files with copyright information?


Just checked, I have accepted and sold files that were approved by Wirestock with both copyright fields populated with my name, and one has Copyright My Name and the year.

Are you sure it's the copyright field that's causing the images not to be submitted or make it to editing?


« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2020, 13:02 »
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@Uncle Pete:
Are you using stocksubmitter for entering your copyright name, keywords and so on?

I just got a reply from wirestock that their reading system even not read the copyright name and of course not use them or submit them together with that files - with other words: Similar with with remove, just not read it from the ITPC data.

So it COULD be a problem by reading ITPC data from Stocksubmitter.

If you (Uncle Pete) also uses stocksubmitter for keywording and have no issues with the wrong transfered keyword order, then wirestock and me are still confused why it happend to my images.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2020, 10:28 »
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@Uncle Pete:
Are you using stocksubmitter for entering your copyright name, keywords and so on?

I just got a reply from wirestock that their reading system even not read the copyright name and of course not use them or submit them together with that files - with other words: Similar with with remove, just not read it from the ITPC data.

So it COULD be a problem by reading ITPC data from Stocksubmitter.

If you (Uncle Pete) also uses stocksubmitter for keywording and have no issues with the wrong transfered keyword order, then wirestock and me are still confused why it happend to my images.

Sorry no help. I use BreezeBrowser to enter keywords into metadata and that's the XMP file way. Different software does work in odd ways. I'll have to find one of my images that Wirestock has distributed to check the word order, which is odd, but no disagreement, they could be reversing somehow. I'll add, I looked for my images, found a couple, and I can't see the keywords on any of the sites, so I have no idea if they used mine, or reversed them.  ;D

I don't use StockSubmitter so I can't answer any of that. I use online through the agency sites or I use ftp.

My situation is kind of different, maybe I should explain. Wirestock, I only check Pond5, DP and 123RF. The rest I upload myself. So old photos, throw-aways and things I don't care about, go to WS. New files and better images (IMHO) I upload directly myself to SS, AS, some to DT, depending on restrictions and what they are. Some go to Alamy, also specific kinds of images.

I don't like the Instant Download on WS where some free site gets to use my image forever for one download fee. They can have the unsold and leftovers. The other side is, I'm selective about what goes to what agency, because they all do better with one kind of product, than another and also they all take different kinds of files, that another might not.

I just uploaded an image with copyright field and also image editor field filled and it went through? Although there have been some "Upload error" messages for over a month, but the image shows up in my files to edit. I checked and I have files with the copyright field filled in, and they were received and accepted. Is it possible that something else is causing the problem?




« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2020, 15:21 »
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#I don't like the Instant Download on WS where some free site gets to use my image forever for one download fee. They can have the unsold and leftovers. The other side is, I'm selective about what goes to what agency, because they all do better with one kind of product, than another and also they all take different kinds of files, that another might not.#

I would like to know about your experiences, what kind of images/themes better to upload on which agency ;)

#Is it possible that something else is causing the problem?#
Wirestock is already investigating that problem. Could be indeed Stocksubmitter, which makes for wirestock problems. If it is not that, I have no idea left, too.

However, I plan a total RESET for all my online files. How exactly I will do it, is not yet clear and might  depending on each agency.
It will not get out  of my mind that the first 30 days is most important. So I submit same old images again, but edited them before, and see: It makes a big different! There were much more views and some sales. Funny: These new images pull customer to my old ones, too and they bought some of the old ones, too. So, it would work, if I delete all old files and submit them again, but not just like that! Wait until it is the right time for these images. My new experiences were about images for Christmas and some everyday searched images.
Because I have time and not depending on earn money for living and because I am curious in finding a great strategy, I will give it a try. Why not?

And with my new images I will submit them to the fairest agencies first with highest RPD, Keep them there xclusive for 1 or 2 month, before I submit them to the next one. With that new strategy, 123RF and deposit have to wait 6 month minimum for my images - I dont care!
And if I get sales with that images on better agencies, then I delay the upload to next agencies for another 1 or 2 month.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2020, 13:33 »
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#I don't like the Instant Download on WS where some free site gets to use my image forever for one download fee. They can have the unsold and leftovers. The other side is, I'm selective about what goes to what agency, because they all do better with one kind of product, than another and also they all take different kinds of files, that another might not.#

I would like to know about your experiences, what kind of images/themes better to upload on which agency ;)

#Is it possible that something else is causing the problem?#
Wirestock is already investigating that problem. Could be indeed Stocksubmitter, which makes for wirestock problems. If it is not that, I have no idea left, too.

However, I plan a total RESET for all my online files. How exactly I will do it, is not yet clear and might  depending on each agency.
It will not get out  of my mind that the first 30 days is most important. So I submit same old images again, but edited them before, and see: It makes a big different! There were much more views and some sales. Funny: These new images pull customer to my old ones, too and they bought some of the old ones, too. So, it would work, if I delete all old files and submit them again, but not just like that! Wait until it is the right time for these images. My new experiences were about images for Christmas and some everyday searched images.
Because I have time and not depending on earn money for living and because I am curious in finding a great strategy, I will give it a try. Why not?

And with my new images I will submit them to the fairest agencies first with highest RPD, Keep them there xclusive for 1 or 2 month, before I submit them to the next one. With that new strategy, 123RF and deposit have to wait 6 month minimum for my images - I dont care!
And if I get sales with that images on better agencies, then I delay the upload to next agencies for another 1 or 2 month.

Seems like an awful lot of work, deleting files and uploading them again?

I had a file get an upload error on WS. So I uploaded it again, same error, but like magic, both files appeared. The same file which is no good. So I sent one to review and deleted the other. Then I wrote support with a screen capture.

Then they said, please send us the file, so we can see what's going on.They are investigating what's going on. This has happened before. Could be the same issue that's making your images disappear. Oh and I used the online, on their website upload tool.

If I hear back from them, I'll be sure to come back to this thread.


 

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