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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Off Topic => Topic started by: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
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Take your idiotic/hate posts somewhere else. Thank you.
I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
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Take your idiotic/hate posts somewhere else. Thank you.
I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Russia will be excluded from SWIFT system, they will no longer receive money over IBAN. It is NOT hate, it is correct action against Russia.
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Yeah, because them Russian photographers have been the most vocal when it comes to pushing for war?
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There are many actions you can take against Russia or to support Ucrania but beggining to punish individual russian citizens that might be well against Putin actions is NOT the right way to go forward. Yes your proposition is a hate inducing one where you want to punish innocent citizens the same way Putin and some Russian have deciden to punish innocent people. Think and then think again before you start a discrimination action here in these forum.
What is next to start an action against all americans when they bomb some country, or europeans when they sell weapons to who they should not. Don't blow your frustrations to innocent people. As I said, there are lots of actions you can do right now. We don't need hate and targeting the wrong people right now.
Take your idiotic/hate posts somewhere else. Thank you.
I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Russia will be excluded from SWIFT system, they will no longer receive money over IBAN. It is NOT hate, it is correct action against Russia.
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Artists, photographers, designers and other creative people are usually the sort of people who generally do not support war, but reject it.
I don't want to have to read something like that here.
I am firmly convinced that none of the Russian contributors is in favor of this war.
I would rather express my sympathy to the Ukrainian image producers and contributors! And would be very happy if the Russian contributors would share this sympathy.
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
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What about those Russians risking their lives protesting in Russia against the invasion? Should we punish them too?
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
Where were you were people from other nations were dying from someone else missiles? Or they are not people ?
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.
The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.
I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!
I do not feel safe at all!
I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.
It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.
We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.
The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.
I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!
I do not feel safe at all!
I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.
It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.
We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.
Wilm, all who support sanctions against Russia, should be aware that sanctions will always make ordinary Russian folks suffer (not so much their wealthy leaders), including photographers, including people who are against Putin.
This is what the chess world champion Grand Master Garry Kasparov, a Russian, asked YOU to support:
-Support Ukraine militarily, immediately, everything but boots on the ground. All weapons, intel, cyber.
-Bankrupt Putin's war machine. Freeze & seize Russia's finances & those of him and his gang.
-Kick Russia out of every intl & financial institution. PACE, Interpol, etc
-Recall all ambassadors from Russia. There is no point in talking. The new unified message is "stop or be isolated completely".
-Ban all elements of Putin's global propaganda machine. Turn them off, shut them down, send them home. Stop helping the dictator spread lies & hate.
-Expose and act against Putin's lackeys in the free world. If Schröder and his ilk continue to work for Putin, bring charges. Ask the owners & advertisers of networks platforming Putin propagandists like Carlson why they allow it.
-Replace Russian oil & gas. Pressure OPEC, increase production, reopen Keystone. You can't save the planet if you don't save the people on it.
-Acknowledge there will be costs, sacrifices. We waited too long, the price is high, but it will only get higher. It's time to fight.
Cannot ignore the political 5th column of Putinists, from the far-right & left in EU to the tankies & Trump & his GOP followers in the US. They may have the right to support a brutal dictator's war in order to criticize Biden, but it's disgusting and anti-American. Do not forget.
Are you supporting the sanctions imposed by your government?
If yes, be aware that Russian photographers, may suffer too. Probably much less than the Ukrainian photographers.
If not, then what are you proposing to stop the killing of innocent Ukrainians (photographers inclusive)?
Because you can't be for sanctions in general, but against when it comes to people close to you.
It just doesn't make sense.
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Most sanctions will hurt Russian people the most. They won't hurt Putin. He is one of the richest people in the world, he has something like 200 billion $. He could pay his stupid war out of his own pocket, if he wanted to. So the one person who is repsonsible for this won't be reached/punished with sanctions anyways. Being in favor of various sanctions from other countries, but saying "No, don't punish the poor individual contributor", is, in my opinion, not thinking this whole thing through properly. That's exactly what these sanctions do: Hurt the Russian economy, hurt Russian companies, hurt Russian individual citizens, who will lose their jobs and so on. It's, in the end, not really all that different than the idea of banning Russian contributrors. I am not saying I am in favor of this. But I am not as outraged by the suggestion as some others here, as, to me, it falls under the whole "Don't do bussiness with Russia right now"- package and is not (at least I hope) an expresion of hatred, discrimination or racism.
That's basically the whole point of sanctions: Make Russian individuals and Russian companies unhappy, so they become unhappy with Putin's actions as they have to face consequences, not Putin, therefore putting pressure on Putin. Though seeing as Russia is not exactly a democarcy, I doubt it will have much effect. I am not the only one, many people don't believe the sanctions will have much effect on this war. Russia has enough money without access to its foregin accounts. It doesn't rely on this money to keep this war going. It just all just hurts the citizens.
If anyone of you here is supporting all these sanctions, like cutting off Russian people from foreign accounts, removing Russia from the SWIFT system, or even the halted certification of Nord Stream 2 - all things that in the end will hurt individual people who will lose their jobs, if you are okay with this, but the thought of cutting off individual Russian contributors is outraging you, then you don't understand that essentially it both runs down to the same thing and one is not worse than the other.
I don't have a solution here. I first thought that the better suggestion would be not to ban contributors, but to stop sales with Russia. Like this Russian contributors would still have their income, but we all, as a collective, would "stop doing bussiness with Russia" and that would be the moral better thing to do. But then I thought that, seeing as Putin already controls so much of the press and many Russian people are not properly informed because of this, cutting off Russia from a source of images from outside of Russia - images that could for example depict the war - probably also isn't a great idea.
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Extremely stupid idea.
This hate towards regular citizens who have nothing to do with the war is unbelievable.
Do people really live for hating each other? Are you happy now that you have an excuse for bullying others?
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No do not do that.
I had a quick look at the Alamy, Shutter and Adobe websites. It cannot be concluded that there is a war.
A sentence like: We sympathize with our artists in Ukraine and Russia in these difficult times?
Maybe they can donate the money they earn from the Russian and Ukrainian artists to Ukraine. :)
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Requests to sanction ordinary people there to force them to change the power are naive. The power there is separated and self-protected from the citizens. People have memory in their blood about the repressions, demonstrations shot, psychiatric actions, isolation, brainwashing, manipulations. The war will continue till the sides have their resources. In Russia government will not pay much attention to the people. Re-read the history. First priority there is the interest of those in power. Politicians of the world have never faced this level of threat of the red button even in the 60ths. The solution should be political and the war can be ended only when politicians find a solution, at least temporary for the moment.
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.
The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.
I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!
I do not feel safe at all!
I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.
It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.
We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.
Bless you Wilm. You couldn't be further from a 'Nazi'. You are definitely one of the good guys in life.
A great post. I also think that generally on this forum, people listen to others, and reply in a balanced way.
With one or two exceptions, we are all learning from one another.
And well done 'Everest'. I think that's the highest 'likes' I've ever seen on a post on the forum :)
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.
The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.
I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!
I do not feel safe at all!
I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.
It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.
We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.
Wilm, all who support sanctions against Russia, should be aware that sanctions will always make ordinary Russian folks suffer (not so much their wealthy leaders), including photographers, including people who are against Putin.
This is what the chess world champion Grand Master Garry Kasparov, a Russian, asked YOU to support:
-Support Ukraine militarily, immediately, everything but boots on the ground. All weapons, intel, cyber.
-Bankrupt Putin's war machine. Freeze & seize Russia's finances & those of him and his gang.
-Kick Russia out of every intl & financial institution. PACE, Interpol, etc
-Recall all ambassadors from Russia. There is no point in talking. The new unified message is "stop or be isolated completely".
-Ban all elements of Putin's global propaganda machine. Turn them off, shut them down, send them home. Stop helping the dictator spread lies & hate.
-Expose and act against Putin's lackeys in the free world. If Schröder and his ilk continue to work for Putin, bring charges. Ask the owners & advertisers of networks platforming Putin propagandists like Carlson why they allow it.
-Replace Russian oil & gas. Pressure OPEC, increase production, reopen Keystone. You can't save the planet if you don't save the people on it.
-Acknowledge there will be costs, sacrifices. We waited too long, the price is high, but it will only get higher. It's time to fight.
Cannot ignore the political 5th column of Putinists, from the far-right & left in EU to the tankies & Trump & his GOP followers in the US. They may have the right to support a brutal dictator's war in order to criticize Biden, but it's disgusting and anti-American. Do not forget.
Are you supporting the sanctions imposed by your government?
If yes, be aware that Russian photographers, may suffer too. Probably much less than the Ukrainian photographers.
If not, then what are you proposing to stop the killing of innocent Ukrainians (photographers inclusive)?
Because you can't be for sanctions in general, but against when it comes to people close to you.
It just doesn't make sense.
I fully support the sanctions! And I am ashamed that the German government has hesitated for so long because it fears the economic consequences for our country.
The common people suffer much more under sanctions than those against whom the sanctions are actually directed. As Firn very correctly writes, Putin is swimming in prosperity.At the latest at the time when his luxury yacht left Germany in flight on February 9, it should have been clear that Putin would attack and before that he wanted to bring his "property" to safety. Property that was paid for by the Russian people.
Of course, the sanctions will also hit the Russian contributors. This is collateral damage that we cannot avoid. And the sanctions will also hit countless contributors from many other countries. Me included. I'm willing to put on three sweaters on top of each other if we don't get any more gas. I'm prepared to accept that inflation will rise dramatically because everything will become much more expensive. But we owe that to Ukraine, that's our solidarity contribution.
I just oppose the sowing of discord among us contributors, who are certainly not aggressors!
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The only Russian contributors I would like to see banned (and for years now) are the tiny minority of copyright thieves and spammers.
The rest of the honest contributors not sure what purpose it serves to punish them for something they have no control over while they're trying to make a decent living.
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.
The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.
I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!
I do not feel safe at all!
I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.
It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.
We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.
Bless you Wilm. You couldn't be further from a 'Nazi'. You are definitely one of the good guys in life.
A great post. I also think that generally on this forum, people listen to others, and reply in a balanced way.
With one or two exceptions, we are all learning from one another.
And well done 'Everest'. I think that's the highest 'likes' I've ever seen on a post on the forum :)
Thank you very much for your kind words, Debbie!
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!
You don't really mean that. Also read the comments on this proposal. Hardly anyone agrees with this. But you're right that this could be the effect if everyone agreed.
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A return to a full cold war means cessation of all trade and commerce between opposing blocks of nations. Putin has factored this in and is prepared to export his energy and commodities to China and unaligned nations. Photographers and small business owners will find themselves limited to domestic markets. The image factories will probably find a way to transfer their digital assets and/or accounts to neutral nations. It's the little guys who always get hurt.
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Only if they partake in criminally bad photography otherwise nope.
:P
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Terrible idea.
Putin's regime =/= Russian photographers
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.
The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.
I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!
I do not feel safe at all!
I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.
It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.
We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.
Bless you Wilm. You couldn't be further from a 'Nazi'. You are definitely one of the good guys in life.
A great post. I also think that generally on this forum, people listen to others, and reply in a balanced way.
With one or two exceptions, we are all learning from one another.
And well done 'Everest'. I think that's the highest 'likes' I've ever seen on a post on the forum :)
Thank you, DO, for writing exactly what I was thinking.
And thank both of you, Wilm and Everest, for your clear-eyed, non-hateful expressions.
Wilm, I happen to be a white woman with centuries-deep roots in the American South. But I never was a slaveholder. In fact, during America's unfortunate period of slavery, people just like me had only a few more rights than the enslaved blacks did.
I see this as a close parallel to what you said so very well.
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!
What??? How???
That's just about as idiotic a statement as the original one that launched this thread!
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Take your idiotic/hate posts somewhere else. Thank you.
I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Russia will be excluded from SWIFT system, they will no longer receive money over IBAN. It is NOT hate, it is correct action against Russia.
Yes, it's a correct action for one or more governments to take against the official Russian state ruled by a mad and frightfully dangerous dictator.
It is not a correct action to take against ordinary Russian photographers who are just trying to make a living the same way everybody else here is.
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It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!
One is not "supporting Russians" simply because one doesn't want to see ordinary Russian people punished for something they had nothing to do with.
And where any one of us happens to live, whether safe or not, has nothing to do with it either.
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What about those Russians risking their lives protesting in Russia against the invasion? Should we punish them too?
Exactly!
And there might even be a courageous stock photographer or two in those crowds of protestors, all willing to risk their lives and freedom to speak truth to power. Someone is taking photos of the demonstrations, after all, and making them available world wide.
But whether they're in the crowd or not, people just like us do not deserve to have their livelihoods stripped away just because Putin is a callous, cruel madman.
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Someone in Belarus just purchased a license to this image...
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You should be banned.
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Thank you, DO, for writing exactly what I was thinking.
And thank both of you, Wilm and Everest, for your clear-eyed, non-hateful expressions.
Wilm, I happen to be a white woman with centuries-deep roots in the American South. But I never was a slaveholder. In fact, during America's unfortunate period of slavery, people just like me had only a few more rights than the enslaved blacks did.
I see this as a close parallel to what you said so very well.
As has been mentioned in other threads, the hands of GB are far from unsullied.
I use the term 'GB' hesitantly, as we are a collection of countries, with differing histories.
However, 'we' have been involved in many wars and invasions abroad, leaving chaos in our wake.
We also have a horrible history of empire building and enslavement.
My personal point of view is that the last really justified war/conflict we have been involved in was World War II.
This is because we were fighting a charismatic despot committing genocide.
Who knows what the future holds for Putin, but from more 'recent' European history, there is a salutary lesson from Romania, in the name of Ceausescu:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu
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The reality is, they won't be able to receive any money anyway, all the payment systems to Russia have been shut down.
It has nothing to do with hating Russians, it is just another way to make them inderstand that the Russian people need to do something about the mafia organisation that is running their country.
People are dying, Putin is talking about nuking the world, he is as mad as a box of frogs and this needs to be bought home on all fronts to the Russian people.
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The only Russian that should be banned from anything is Vladimir Putin.
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The only Russian that should be banned from anything is Vladimir Putin.
Sorry, this is wrong, Putin is just the headman with his finger on the button, there are many others, pressure can only be exerted collectively.
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!
What??? How???
That's just about as idiotic a statement as the original one that launched this thread!
And this is even more idiotic statement. Even you can be on any side, even though its incorrect, right? Keep calm Martha, you are bragging too much.
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What about those Russians risking their lives protesting in Russia against the invasion? Should we punish them too?
Exactly!
And there might even be a courageous stock photographer or two in those crowds of protestors, all willing to risk their lives and freedom to speak truth to power. Someone is taking photos of the demonstrations, after all, and making them available world wide.
But whether they're in the crowd or not, people just like us do not deserve to have their livelihoods stripped away just because Putin is a callous, cruel madman.
Putin is holding NATO back and keep Russians safe. Just keep calm, take a breath and learn something new, ok?
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Sometimes the opposite of what one wanted to achieve happens.
In 2017, there was a survey in Finland about NATO. Only 17% were in favor of NATO membership. Between February 23 and 25, 2022, there was another poll. Now 53% are in favor of membership in the NATO.
I can imagine that such a shift would also be seen in other countries if a survey were to be launched there.
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!
What??? How???
That's just about as idiotic a statement as the original one that launched this thread!
Keep calm Martha, you are bragging too much.
What about those Russians risking their lives protesting in Russia against the invasion? Should we punish them too?
Exactly!
And there might even be a courageous stock photographer or two in those crowds of protestors, all willing to risk their lives and freedom to speak truth to power. Someone is taking photos of the demonstrations, after all, and making them available world wide.
But whether they're in the crowd or not, people just like us do not deserve to have their livelihoods stripped away just because Putin is a callous, cruel madman.
Putin is holding NATO back and keep Russians safe. Just keep calm, take a breath and learn something new, ok?
Aha! Another Eastern European who can't stand a woman who has a brain and speaks her mind.
Yep, looks like we have another sexist in our midst. Sweet Zero has a buddy online, it seems. (The only one he has, unfortunately.)
No big surprise there.
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Sometimes the opposite of what one wanted to achieve happens.
In 2017, there was a survey in Finland about NATO. Only 17% were in favor of NATO membership. Between February 23 and 25, 2022, there was another poll. Now 53% are in favor of membership in the NATO.
I can imagine that such a shift would also be seen in other countries if a survey were to be launched there.
Indeed.
For the first time that Switzerland has given up its neutrality.
I agreed with America that Europe put relatively little money into their defense (after the Cold War, the point was no longer seen).
Today, all parties wanted to increase the Dutch defense budget. It is unique that they agree. Just like in countries like Germany by the way.
At last a united cooperation in Europe. It remains a pity that the problems with regard to climate change have to be pushed back.
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The Russian photographers are Putins victims.
His deranged speech last Monday changed everything. Then he invaded Ukraine and threatened to nuke all of Europe and even attack the USA.
He wrote his last ticket and is so out of control that horrible measures are being implemented.
But there is simply no way the threatened countries can ignore Putin. Without the invasion…I doubt we would have seen such a revival of both NATO and the EU.
Our Russian friends are NOT taking part in the war against Ukraine.
On the contrary, I am sure many of them are privately trying to help friends and family in Ukraine, are taking part in protests against the war at great personal risk.
They are taking pictures and videos and sending them out into the world, to show that Russians have a heart and are not Putins killer robots.
Some of them might even try to organize real political protest and intense action against Putin, they might be putting their life on the line to help get rid of him.
And on social media, in public, many will be completely silent.
Because they and their families might be arrested if they speak out.
But this does not mean they approve the invasion.
So please show some compassion to all victims of Putin, the people in Ukraine and the population of Russia who are living under the boot of a crazy and vain tyrant.
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The Russian photographers are Putins victims.
His deranged speech last Monday changed everything. Then he invaded Ukraine and threatened to nuke all of Europe and even attack the USA.
He wrote his last ticket and is so out of control that horrible measures are being implemented.
But there is simply no way the threatened countries can ignore Putin. Without the invasion…I doubt we would have seen such a revival of both NATO and the EU.
Our Russian friends are NOT taking part in the war against Ukraine.
On the contrary, I am sure many of them are privately trying to help friends and family in Ukraine, are taking part in protests against the war at great personal risk.
They are taking pictures and videos and sending them out into the world, to show that Russians have a heart and are not Putins killer robots.
Some of them might even try to organize real political protest and intense action against Putin, they might be putting their life on the line to help get rid of him.
And on social media, in public, many will be completely silent.
Because they and their families might be arrested if they speak out.
But this does not mean they approve the invasion.
So please show some compassion to all victims of Putin, the people in Ukraine and the population of Russia who are living under the boot of a crazy and vain tyrant.
yes, in post-WWII America, protesting foreign policy has only minor consequences (tear gas arrests, etc), i'm proud to have been active in organizing against the Vietnam war, but I was never in real danger; as compared with lynching, bombings & murders of civil rights activists and those brave enough to stand against authoritarian regimes in Russia, China, Myanmar et al
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Exactly. I took part in a protest today and also documented it with photos and videos for agencies.
But I can sleep safely in my bed every night and don‘t have to be scared that the secret police will drag me out at 3 AM.
I can send my content wherever I want and post it on my website with my nae everywhere and do not have to fear that my family will be in trouble.
In China they arrested a man who simply stood in silence.
In Russia people are being arrested for walking around with flowers in yellow and blue, nothing else, just holding flowers.
In Palestine artists are arrested for painting pictures of watermelons or anything that is in the colors of the Palestinian flag. Children are shot at for holding a flag.
In Hong Kong the yellow umbrella gets you into trouble.
Little ordinary things, that ruling tyrants suppress because they cannot handle anything that shows the population does not accept how they lord over them.
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I agreed with America that Europe put relatively little money into their defense
Thank you, Thijs. This is the reality.
America should stop being the world police, and Europe should assume more responsibilities in relation to its own safety.
Thanks for clarifying. This is important coming from you, especially since some unprepared folks felt offended when I said it!
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Europe needs a standing, well equipped, European army.
It is not right to keep calling Uncle Sam to solve our local problems.
Why should young American soldiers die for us??
Europe is no longer in ruins, our countries are modern, our economies successful.
Germany made a historic u turn this week. I don‘t know if people abroad understand how extremely difficult it is for Germans to embrace anything to do with the military.
eta - pesky typos
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I agreed with America that Europe put relatively little money into their defense
Thank you, Thijs. This is the reality.
America should stop being the world police, and Europe should assume more responsibilities in relation to its own safety.
Thanks for clarifying. This is important coming from you, especially since some unprepared folks felt offended when I said it!
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Don't mention it.
More because the world was getting more and more restless (not so much because of a Russian threat, we didn't expect that). And indeed we cannot all continue to rely on America. Not fair and also because trust in America had dropped considerably under a certain former president. It is of course true that a very large part of the money that the Netherlands spends on defense goes to America through the purchase of combat aircraft. ;D
The Netherlands will have to build the boats itself.
But it's sad that it's necessary. While we are actually doing everything we can to avoid further damaging the climate. Maybe it goes together a bit because it is even more important to look for other energy sources in order to stop being dependent on countries like Russia.
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Europe needs a standing, well equipped, European army.
It is not right to keep calling Uncle Sam to solve our local problems.
Why should young American soldiers die for us??
Europe is no longer in ruins, our countries are modern, our economies successful.
Germany made a historic u turn this week. I don‘t know if people abroad understand how extremely difficult it is for Germans to embrace anything to do with the military.
eta - pesky typos
Well, I am not so sure if I like Germany getting all militarised again. We had a rule before that they wouldn't but that was let go some while back. But then they said they wouldn't do it anymore and stand back anyway. We have let it happen twice in the pretty recent history, I really hope we are not going to witness a third time, now that they are starting it up again. Time will tell. I don't trust recividists. You can make one misstake but if you do it again there is something structurally wrong.
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I would like to express a few thoughts. In doing so, I would like to try to put myself in the minds of everyone involved.
NATO has made many mistakes. And I can understand to a certain extent that Russia feels backed into a corner. The West must work on itself! A policy that works on de-escalation would be very important.
But I'm not sure that the NATO issue is really what Putin is most concerned about. No one can see inside him.
As I said, NATO is not faultless. But Ukraine has given up all nuclear weapons in exchange for treaty assurances of state sovereignty and integrity.
Today Ukraine is a country without nuclear weapons - as agreed. But already in 2014 the integrity was violated by annexing Crimea. And after that, other territories.
What I can't understand - maybe because I lack some background knowledge and some emotional and cultural roots:
Russia has "only" 144 million inhabitants and gigantic amounts of mineral resources and raw materials. It is one of the most resource-rich countries on earth - with a rather small population compared to other resource-rich countries. Nevertheless, a large part of the Russian population does not exactly live in prosperity. Many are poor.
Why is it not possible to make 144 million people content and happy with these immense mineral resources? Why do people want to return to the "old greatness" and put world peace at risk? And risk that an endless number of states will turn against Russia? That precisely those that are not doing well economically will have even more problems? That there will be domestic unrest? Without economic necessity!
I do not understand it!
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One thing stock agencies can do is to only sell embrassing photos of putins.
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I would like to express a few thoughts. In doing so, I would like to try to put myself in the minds of everyone involved.
NATO has made many mistakes. And I can understand to a certain extent that Russia feels backed into a corner. The West must work on itself! A policy that works on de-escalation would be very important.
But I'm not sure that the NATO issue is really what Putin is most concerned about. No one can see inside him.
As I said, NATO is not faultless. But Ukraine has given up all nuclear weapons in exchange for treaty assurances of state sovereignty and integrity.
Today Ukraine is a country without nuclear weapons - as agreed. But already in 2014 the integrity was violated by annexing Crimea. And after that, other territories.
What I can't understand - maybe because I lack some background knowledge and some emotional and cultural roots:
Russia has "only" 144 million inhabitants and gigantic amounts of mineral resources and raw materials. It is one of the most resource-rich countries on earth - with a rather small population compared to other resource-rich countries. Nevertheless, a large part of the Russian population does not exactly live in prosperity. Many are poor.
Why is it not possible to make 144 million people content and happy with these immense mineral resources? Why do people want to return to the "old greatness" and put world peace at risk? And risk that an endless number of states will turn against Russia? That precisely those that are not doing well economically will have even more problems? That there will be domestic unrest? Without economic necessity!
I do not understand it!
You are right, Wilm, with a small comment.
Putin is only using NATO's expansion as a "casus belli", to justify his Greater Russia ambitions, fueled by Russian irredentism.
It was not NATO expanding. It was the free democratic will of many countries who suffered under the Russian boot, deciding and voting to join an alliance able to guarantee their integrity. Putin believes that he is entitled to dictate, what sovereign countries should do, while his propaganda is blaming NATO for the expansion.
NATO forced no country to join.
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Well, I am not so sure if I like Germany getting all militarised again. We had a rule before that they wouldn't but that was let go some while back. But then they said they wouldn't do it anymore and stand back anyway. We have let it happen twice in the pretty recent history, I really hope we are not going to witness a third time, now that they are starting it up again....
Germany today is not Germany of 80 years ago (eg, 80 years of peace w France is unprecedented in the last 500+ years!) - those are the dominant countries of the EU and the natural leaders
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Russian photographers in detention
https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/t3hac9/russian_antiwar_protesters_were_arrested_and/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/t3hac9/russian_antiwar_protesters_were_arrested_and/)
direct link to picture
https://i.redd.it/lh3kb2857lk81.jpg (https://i.redd.it/lh3kb2857lk81.jpg)
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Russia has "only" 144 million inhabitants and gigantic amounts of mineral resources and raw materials. It is one of the most resource-rich countries on earth - with a rather small population compared to other resource-rich countries. Nevertheless, a large part of the Russian population does not exactly live in prosperity. Many are poor.
Why is it not possible to make 144 million people content and happy with these immense mineral resources? Why do people want to return to the "old greatness" and put world peace at risk? And risk that an endless number of states will turn against Russia? That precisely those that are not doing well economically will have even more problems? That there will be domestic unrest? Without economic necessity!
russia is 57th in per capita GDP well behind any other major industrial country (US is 13th), oligarchs control almost as much as the entire Russian GDP (even the massive inequality of the US 1% 'only' accounts for 40% of US GDP)
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russia is 57th in per capita GDP well behind any other major industrial country (US is 13th), oligarchs control almost as much as the entire Russian GDP (even the massive inequality of the US 1% 'only' accounts for 40% of US GDP)
Here is an updated, 2022 list:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gdp-per-capita-by-country
The USA is 7th, Russia is 53rd and there are 8 East European countries ahead of Russia. All of them EU and NATO members.
It shouldn't be a surprise that security and good trade relations are prerequisites for prosperity.
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Depends if they support their countrie's aggressive action against the Ukraine. Or Maybe just Putins' aggressive action. Maybe not all Russians are supporting this war on the Ukraine so I wouldnt hold it against all of them.
Btw are you a Ukrainian? If not then why the hatred of Russian photographers? They may not all be supporting this.
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Absolutely agree on that. The ghost of german past will always haunt germans for generations to come but to compare that society with present Germany is like saying all the americans that live in the south of the states are potential slavists. Those crazy people still exists in any country with a dark past but comparing generations is always a mistake.
In any case, all the new militarization we will see in the next decade is really sad. So many resources and energy put into something that brings no benefit to society, only pain and violence. I am so sad of what is happening now and utterly mad at Putin decision to start such a barbaric act in the XXI century. Everyday is darker and darker :'(
Well, I am not so sure if I like Germany getting all militarised again. We had a rule before that they wouldn't but that was let go some while back. But then they said they wouldn't do it anymore and stand back anyway. We have let it happen twice in the pretty recent history, I really hope we are not going to witness a third time, now that they are starting it up again....
Germany today is not Germany of 80 years ago (eg, 80 years of peace w France is unprecedented in the last 500+ years!) - those are the dominant countries of the EU and the natural leaders
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!
What??? How???
That's just about as idiotic a statement as the original one that launched this thread!
Keep calm Martha, you are bragging too much.
What about those Russians risking their lives protesting in Russia against the invasion? Should we punish them too?
Exactly!
And there might even be a courageous stock photographer or two in those crowds of protestors, all willing to risk their lives and freedom to speak truth to power. Someone is taking photos of the demonstrations, after all, and making them available world wide.
But whether they're in the crowd or not, people just like us do not deserve to have their livelihoods stripped away just because Putin is a callous, cruel madman.
Putin is holding NATO back and keep Russians safe. Just keep calm, take a breath and learn something new, ok?
Aha! Another Eastern European who can't stand a woman who has a brain and speaks her mind.
Yep, looks like we have another sexist in our midst. Sweet Zero has a buddy online, it seems. (The only one he has, unfortunately.)
No big surprise there.
I've never said you have a brain. And as it looks to me, you judge me and my thinking by my nationality? Hmmm, very intelligent.
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtOx6dW_0vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtOx6dW_0vU)
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Otherwise, #russiantroll #putinpropaganda
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russia is 57th in per capita GDP well behind any other major industrial country (US is 13th), oligarchs control almost as much as the entire Russian GDP (even the massive inequality of the US 1% 'only' accounts for 40% of US GDP)
Here is an updated, 2022 list:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gdp-per-capita-by-country
The USA is 7th, Russia is 53rd and there are 8 East European countries ahead of Russia. All of them EU and NATO members.
It shouldn't be a surprise that security and good trade relations are prerequisites for prosperity.
Good god, my country GB is just ahead of Japan.
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What do you personally think Putin will do when he's finished with Ukraine ?
I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!
What??? How???
That's just about as idiotic a statement as the original one that launched this thread!
Keep calm Martha, you are bragging too much.
What about those Russians risking their lives protesting in Russia against the invasion? Should we punish them too?
Exactly!
And there might even be a courageous stock photographer or two in those crowds of protestors, all willing to risk their lives and freedom to speak truth to power. Someone is taking photos of the demonstrations, after all, and making them available world wide.
But whether they're in the crowd or not, people just like us do not deserve to have their livelihoods stripped away just because Putin is a callous, cruel madman.
Putin is holding NATO back and keep Russians safe. Just keep calm, take a breath and learn something new, ok?
Aha! Another Eastern European who can't stand a woman who has a brain and speaks her mind.
Yep, looks like we have another sexist in our midst. Sweet Zero has a buddy online, it seems. (The only one he has, unfortunately.)
No big surprise there.
I've never said you have a brain. And as it looks to me, you judge me and my thinking by my nationality? Hmmm, very intelligent.
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtOx6dW_0vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtOx6dW_0vU)
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Topic: Russian photographers should be banned!
Sooooooooooooooo immature!
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It was not NATO expanding. It was the free democratic will of many countries who suffered under the Russian boot, deciding and voting to join an alliance able to guarantee their integrity. Putin believes that he is entitled to dictate, what sovereign countries should do, while his propaganda is blaming NATO for the expansion.
NATO forced no country to join.
Not true. A lot of countries were pulled in without voting with referendums avoided at any costs after analysis showed that majority of people is against integration. Croatia is one case. And it was done under a pupet premier which was imprisoned later for stealing national money and selling national companies to private investors from the west under-priced while being bribed.
Ivo Sanader is a convicted criminal which had full support of highest European authorities. Second guy from the right on the photo of the ceremony on the day Croatia joined NATO saluting its flag.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Svecanost_podizanja_NATOve_zastave_Zagreb_55.jpg)
And here he is taking a 10M Euro bribe to sell national oil company for which he got 6 years among other things he did.
(https://express.24sata.hr/media/img/9a/33/fe56223356935ce661d5.jpeg)
And here is the same guy being arrested in Austria after he escaped from Croatia.
(https://ip.index.hr/remote/indexnew.s3.index.hr/2da7083e-1e00-40e4-8fae-4e122d05346b.jpg?width=765&height=402)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCMyrrwWJk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCMyrrwWJk)
And here is Merkel publicly supporting his elections on his party meeting:
(https://ip.index.hr/remote/indexnew.s3.index.hr/merkel-hdz-pxl.jpg?width=765&height=500)
And a proof that Croatia never had a referendum on NATO integrations and joined on a declaration by a convict even though under constitution joining international integrations requires a referendum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia–NATO_relations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia–NATO_relations)
"Croatia had considered holding a referendum on NATO membership. On March 23, 2007, the Croatian president Stjepan Mesić, Prime Minister Ivo Sanader and President of parliament Vladimir Šeks declared that the Croatian constitution does not require a referendum on this issue."
Also Croatian referendum for joining EU had turnover under 50% and thus it was non constitutional. So the constitution rule about 50% turnover was changed to enter the EU and than changed back the very next week.
And this is a FACT nobody can challenge.
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And also a statement before EU referendum given by Croatian foreign minister at that time in all main Croatian media frightening pensioners:
Vesna Pusić: I don't want to be too cruel, but if we don't join the EU, you won't get a pension!
Links to the statement from the main Croatian media ( just use google translate) :
]https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/vesna-pusic-ne-zelim-biti-preokrutna-ali-ako-ne-udemo-u-eu-necete-dobiti-mirovinu-1633275] (https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/vesna-pusic-ne-zelim-biti-preokrutna-ali-ako-ne-udemo-u-eu-necete-dobiti-mirovinu-1633275)
https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/v-pusic-u-eteru-ako-ne-udjemo-u-eu-necete-dobiti-mirovinu-367598 (https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/v-pusic-u-eteru-ako-ne-udjemo-u-eu-necete-dobiti-mirovinu-367598)
https://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/vesna-pusic-ako-ne-udzemo-u-eu-necete-dobiti-mirovinu.html (https://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/vesna-pusic-ako-ne-udzemo-u-eu-necete-dobiti-mirovinu.html)
https://www.rtl.hr/vijesti-hr/novosti/240716/pusic-ako-ne-udjemo-u-eu-ostajete-bez-mirovina/ (https://www.rtl.hr/vijesti-hr/novosti/240716/pusic-ako-ne-udjemo-u-eu-ostajete-bez-mirovina/)
So that's that democracy. Same propaganda as used by eastern block. No difference at all.
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
Do you understand a statement : 'If you don't vote to enter EU, you will not get your pension"."
A pension for which people payed all their life and which is their property.
Do you understand that's a blatant blackmail with threat to take peoples property if they don't vote as instructed ? Do you understand that is totalitarianism and dictatorship at its best and has nothing to do with democracy.
Also in any law, an agreement signed under threat is not a legally valid agreement. An agreement signed using fraud or misleading is not a valid agreement. I can not force you to sell me your house for 5 Euros and if you sign that that's not a valid contract.
Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.
This is not correct. The turnout for the referendum was only 43% (= only 43% of eligible voters took part in the referendum - for whatever reason). This 43% of the participating population voted 67% in favor of joining the EU.
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.
This is not correct. The turnout for the referendum was only 43% (= only 43% of eligible voters took part in the referendum - for whatever reason). This 43% of the participating population voted 67% in favor of joining the EU.
TRUE!!!
Exactly what I said, and for a referendum to be valid more than 50% of voters should take part.
Article 6 or Clanak 6 in Croatian:
Na državnom referendumu odlučuje se većinom birača koji su glasovali, uz uvjet da je referendumu pristupila većina od ukupnog broja birača upisanih u popis birača Republike Hrvatske.
or...
The state referendum is decided by a majority of the voters who voted, under the term that the referendum was attended by a majority of the total number of voters registered in the voter list of the Republic of Croatia.
43% turnaround is not majority of registered voters.
And here is the full law on official government site.
https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave (https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave)
So what I stated is absolutely true, and by Croatian law that referendum was not valid.
If we wanted to exit EU and we had a new referendum with 49% turnaround with 100% of votes for the exit , the referendum would not be valid and we would have to stay in EU.
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This is the funeral of a veteran of the SS division "Galicia" in Ukraine. Pay attention to the uniform of soldiers and officers.
The Russian army is not fighting the people of Ukraine, but the *.
If this photo is not enough for you, just google "nazi azov battalion"...
This is true information.
(https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/5e3191f490695e256863c7ed55b2a075.jpg)
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In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*. Do you think because some crazy extremist minorities a country has the right to bomb and kill innocent children , women, men, many who are totally against any radicalism. You are totally out of your mind if you think the same way as the leader of Russia.
Putin will pay for his genocide. Have no doubt about it. If you ask me, it will be sooner than later. The whole world is against him.....well not the whole world. It seems North Korea, Belarus, Syria, Eritrea support him. Great partners.......
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I did, it was educational.
Azov is a far-right all-volunteer infantry military unit whose members – estimated at 900 – are ultra-nationalists and accused of harbouring neo-Nazi and white supremacist ideology.
900 all volunteer military. And that's supposed to justify invading a country, to take over, and murdering the civilians.
In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*. Do you think because some crazy extremist minorities a country has the right to bomb and kill innocent children , women, men, many who are totally against any radicalism. You are totally out of your mind if you think the same way as the leader of Russia.
Putin will pay for his genocide. Have no doubt about it. If you ask me, it will be sooner than later. The whole world is against him.....well not the whole world. It seems North Korea, Belarus, Syria, Eritrea support him. Great partners.......
Right
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See below (poll from April-May 2021):
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmR5swbw/Screenshot-20220306-095353-Office.jpg)
I can bet that the pro-NATO sentiment today, is much closer to unanimity, after seing what not being in NATO can do to you.
There are still a few Lizards here and there, but they are only a small, vocal minority.
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.
This is not correct. The turnout for the referendum was only 43% (= only 43% of eligible voters took part in the referendum - for whatever reason). This 43% of the participating population voted 67% in favor of joining the EU.
TRUE!!!
Exactly what I said, and for a referendum to be valid more than 50% of voters should take part.
Article 6 or Clanak 6 in Croatian:
Na državnom referendumu odlučuje se većinom birača koji su glasovali, uz uvjet da je referendumu pristupila većina od ukupnog broja birača upisanih u popis birača Republike Hrvatske.
or...
The state referendum is decided by a majority of the voters who voted, under the term that the referendum was attended by a majority of the total number of voters registered in the voter list of the Republic of Croatia.
43% turnaround is not majority of registered voters.
And here is the full law on official government site.
https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave (https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave)
So what I stated is absolutely true, and by Croatian law that referendum was not valid.
If we wanted to exit EU and we had a new referendum with 49% turnaround with 100% of votes for the exit , the referendum would not be valid and we would have to stay in EU.
Which means 57% of the countries population simply did not give a f*** about whether to join the NATO or not and of the 49% who cared enough to vote , the vast majority of 67% voted in favor of it. How in the world are you twisting this around to support your claim that countries were "forced" to join the NATO? :o
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.
This is not correct. The turnout for the referendum was only 43% (= only 43% of eligible voters took part in the referendum - for whatever reason). This 43% of the participating population voted 67% in favor of joining the EU.
TRUE!!!
Exactly what I said, and for a referendum to be valid more than 50% of voters should take part.
Article 6 or Clanak 6 in Croatian:
Na državnom referendumu odlučuje se većinom birača koji su glasovali, uz uvjet da je referendumu pristupila većina od ukupnog broja birača upisanih u popis birača Republike Hrvatske.
or...
The state referendum is decided by a majority of the voters who voted, under the term that the referendum was attended by a majority of the total number of voters registered in the voter list of the Republic of Croatia.
43% turnaround is not majority of registered voters.
And here is the full law on official government site.
https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave (https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave)
So what I stated is absolutely true, and by Croatian law that referendum was not valid.
If we wanted to exit EU and we had a new referendum with 49% turnaround with 100% of votes for the exit , the referendum would not be valid and we would have to stay in EU.
Which means 57% of the countries population simply did not give a f*** about whether to join the NATO or not and of the 49% who cared enough to vote , the vast majority of 67% voted in favor of it. How in the world are you twisting this around to support your claim that countries were "forced" to join the NATO? :o
First learn to read, this is about referendum on joining EU not NATO.
Referendum about NATO NEVER TOOK PLACE even if it had BY LAW and CONSTITUTION.
Croatia was pulled in by a declaration written by a bribed guy who is rotting in the prison for working against the country and accepting bribe from western companies.
For loosing independence absolute majority of all voters have to agree and Croatia had only 67% of 43% that voted on EU referendum.
1,299,008 people were for joining EU out of 4,504,765 voters which is 28% and by constitution they needed 51% of all voters.
In both cases the LAW was broken and supreme court didn't give a f..k cause they are all puppets.
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In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*. Do you think because some crazy extremist minorities a country has the right to bomb and kill innocent children , women, men, many who are totally against any radicalism. You are totally out of your mind if you think the same way as the leader of Russia.
Putin will pay for his genocide. Have no doubt about it. If you ask me, it will be sooner than later. The whole world is against him.....well not the whole world. It seems North Korea, Belarus, Syria, Eritrea support him. Great partners.......
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
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I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.
Cancel culture in action! Stop hate, world need love!
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
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I was just searching for some illustrations to use for a project. If what I needed was done by a Russian illustrator, I’d buy it. Russian illustrators or photographers likely don’t want a war any more than US, or other countries do. As it turns out, a couple illustrations I bought were done by a Ukrainian artist. That’s cool!
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.
This is not correct. The turnout for the referendum was only 43% (= only 43% of eligible voters took part in the referendum - for whatever reason). This 43% of the participating population voted 67% in favor of joining the EU.
TRUE!!!
Exactly what I said, and for a referendum to be valid more than 50% of voters should take part.
Article 6 or Clanak 6 in Croatian:
Na državnom referendumu odlučuje se većinom birača koji su glasovali, uz uvjet da je referendumu pristupila većina od ukupnog broja birača upisanih u popis birača Republike Hrvatske.
or...
The state referendum is decided by a majority of the voters who voted, under the term that the referendum was attended by a majority of the total number of voters registered in the voter list of the Republic of Croatia.
43% turnaround is not majority of registered voters.
And here is the full law on official government site.
https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave (https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave)
So what I stated is absolutely true, and by Croatian law that referendum was not valid.
If we wanted to exit EU and we had a new referendum with 49% turnaround with 100% of votes for the exit , the referendum would not be valid and we would have to stay in EU.
I can't find that. The only thing I can find is this from the Croatian Constitution - Article 6:
Članak 6. Osnivanje političkih stranaka je slobodno.
Unutarnje ustrojstvo političkih stranaka mora biti sukladno temeljnim ustavnim demokratskim načelima.
Stranke moraju javno polagati račun o porijeklu svojih sredstava i imovine.
Protuustavne su političke stranke koje svojim programom ili nasilnim djelovanjem smjeraju podrivanju slobodnoga demokratskog poretka ili ugrožavaju opstojnost Republike Hrvatske. O protu-ustavnosti odlučuje Ustavni sud Republike Hrvatske.
Zakonom se uređuje položaj i financiranje političkih stranaka."
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
in the US almost all states have some form of referendum (first was in 1898) - here in WA we usually have several each cycle, some trivial, some major (eg requiring as supermajority to raise taxes, or capping property tax increases) a major problem is they're not required to consider the consequences - eg stopping tax increase w/o balancing spending
REFERENDUM allows citizens to refer acts of the Legislature to the ballot before they become law.
INITIATIVES are direct action by citizens. eg, Washington (w CO) became first states to legalize marijuana; and approved same sex marriage)
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Sometimes dictators are put in power with a coup, but unfortunately, sometimes they are elected (Ex: Putin, Trump). You just have to get rid of them ASAP !!
Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.
Do you understand a statement : 'If you don't vote to enter EU, you will not get your pension"."
A pension for which people payed all their life and which is their property.
Do you understand that's a blatant blackmail with threat to take peoples property if they don't vote as instructed ? Do you understand that is totalitarianism and dictatorship at its best and has nothing to do with democracy.
Also in any law, an agreement signed under threat is not a legally valid agreement. An agreement signed using fraud or misleading is not a valid agreement. I can not force you to sell me your house for 5 Euros and if you sign that that's not a valid contract.
Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.
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Global central banks are the problem, not the Russian people.
Ban the banks and implement crypto payments
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?
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More bitterness I see. As I told you in another post, just get some rest. Don't forget to go to the bathroom before crawling in your cave, wherever that is. ::)
Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?
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More bitterness I see. As I told you in another post, just get some rest. Don't forget to go to the bathroom before crawling in your cave, wherever that is. ::)
Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?
I know you are crying right now and your hands are shaking. And I told you you need a doctor because your condition is really serious! I'm worried about you. Better cave than old car. ;)
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never.
I wasn't alive then, but I'm very very sure that's exactly what the Germans believed when they attacked Poland in 1939, starting World War II.
You know how that turned out. You also know how the Romans, Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte and countless others fared.
But there is a striking difference. Back then, there was one losing nation. Today, because of nuclear weapons, it can hit all of humanity and wipe it out. You and me included.
I do not see a reason to celebrate!
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Finland and Sweden want to join NATO ASAP !!!
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never.
I wasn't alive then, but I'm very very sure that's exactly what the Germans believed when they attacked Poland in 1939, starting World War II.
You know how that turned out. You also know how the Romans, Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte and countless others fared.
But there is a striking difference. Back then, there was one losing nation. Today, because of nuclear weapons, it can hit all of humanity and wipe it out. You and me included.
I do not see a reason to celebrate!
1962 crisis. We were much closer to nuclear war back then. You could compare German invasion on Poland with invasion on Vietnam, Serbia, Syria, Libya, Iraq...
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Finland and Sweden want to join NATO ASAP !!!
Finland? It's not going to happen.
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Hi. In this situation, only one country will benefit - the United States. The weakening of the Russian Federation and Europe is what the states need. Already now they have received a huge influx of money from Europe. We'll see what happens next.
P.S. Russian photographers are not to blame for anything. The same hostages of the situation as everyone else.
If microstocks start blocking and deleting Russian accounts, then an inevitable decline and possible bankruptcies will come.
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Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:
https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/ (https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/)
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They don't have much choice now..
Finland and Sweden want to join NATO ASAP !!!
Finland? It's not going to happen.
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As usual from him an excellent article of Yuval Noah Harari on why Putin has already lost the war. Really worth a read
"Nations are ultimately built on stories. Each passing day adds more stories that Ukrainians will tell not only in the dark days ahead, but in the decades and generations to come."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/vladimir-putin-war-russia-ukraine (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/vladimir-putin-war-russia-ukraine)
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Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:
https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/ (https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/)
LOL. I think it's fake, because russian army don't have such a uniform. Where did they get these guys?
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Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:
https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/ (https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/)
LOL. I think it's fake, because russian army don't have such a uniform.
The guy is not wearing any uniform at all? ::) Might come as a surprise, but soldiers are not permanently glued to their uniform.
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Please keep the discussion civil. I'm not going to ban someone or remove the topic because someone has a very unpopular suggestion/idea/ viewpoint. We still need to speeak with respect on both sides however.
Keeping this thread simply shows how many people are opposing such an idea (banning Russian photographers) and how unpopular the original suggestion / viewpoint is.
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Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:
https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/ (https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/)
LOL. I think it's fake, because russian army don't have such a uniform.
The guy is not wearing any uniform at all? ::) Might come as a surprise, but soldiers are not permanently glued to their uniform.
and in their earlier invasionof eastern Ukraine many Russians were not wearing uniforms
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https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia
Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state-controlled media (i.e. all Russian media), propaganda, and fake news machine.
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https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia
Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state controlled media (i.e. all russian media), propaganda and fake news machine.
This is a good and consistent decision.
Whatever happened in history: We live in the here and now. It is legitimate to refer to crimes - including those committed by the West - in the past. But there is no justification for what is currently happening in Ukraine. That's why I think this step by Adobe is very good.
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https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia
Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state controlled media (i.e. all russian media), propaganda and fake news machine.
This is a good and consistent decision.
Whatever happened in history: We live in the here and now. It is legitimate to refer to crimes - including those committed by the West - in the past. But there is no justification for what is currently happening in Ukraine. That's why I think this step by Adobe is very good.
And, to be clear, I interpret this as a decision of AS against the Russian regime, not against Russian contributors!
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https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia
Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state controlled media (i.e. all russian media), propaganda and fake news machine.
This is a good and consistent decision.
Whatever happened in history: We live in the here and now. It is legitimate to refer to crimes - including those committed by the West - in the past. But there is no justification for what is currently happening in Ukraine. That's why I think this step by Adobe is very good.
And, to be clear, I interpret this as a decision of AS against the Russian regime, not against Russian contributors!
That's also how I read the announcement. However, Russian contributors will not be able to renew their subscriptions, not just because of Adobe, but mainly because Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Paypal, etc are blocking Russian transactions.
Moreover, we should not expect to get sales from Russia anymore.
One more comment: Russian contributors can't get paid, for the same reason they can't buy Adobe products.
So the title of this thread is rather a moot point, for now.
The fact is that Russian contributors are paying taxes to the Russian government. If their content is sold internationally, then money from the EU, The USA, etc will be used to fuel Putin's war machine and his crimes against innocent Ukrainian civilians.
But this is a minor problem, compared with the way we continue to sponsor his war machine with the money we pay for his gas and oil.
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?
Nobody will beat Russia? Except Putin and his mafia gangster chums have Russians under their thumb ::)
Just like the old soviet days ;D
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Read this this morning:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60589965 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60589965)
Most of the fake stuff is so transparent, same with all the Q nonsense. Is it generally older people who didn't grow up with the internet who are so credulous or are people generally just a lot dumber than I gave them credit for?
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Is it generally older people who didn't grow up with the internet who are so credulous or are people generally just a lot dumber than I gave them credit for?
Sadly no. I've read comments like "Now that the Corona Virus didn't work to supress us they are making up a war" on the internet right when the war started. I was kind of expecting it. Some people have just fallen way too deep into the conspiracy hole. They aren't old and they have plenty of access to the internet. They just use it to browse all the wrong shady places.
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In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*.
Sure, but the problem starts when they get brigades officially incorporated into the national guard ( Azov brigade ) and they become part of the official system and authority.
This doesn't have a precedent in the modern world. If you know about one please educate me.
And you have a psycho leader on other side so you bring all the world in existential danger by arming those extremists.
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This doesn't have a precedent in the modern world. If you know about one please educate me.
You obviously need to be educated. You have the most obvious precedent in front of your nose, but you refuse to see it.
The whole Putin regime is a fascist regime.
His fascist army invaded an independent country after they brainwashed a very large majority of the Russian society (+ you) into believing that they are fighting fascists.
That pseudo-swastika symbol they adopted is pure irony.
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This doesn't have a precedent in the modern world. If you know about one please educate me.
You obviously need to be educated. You have the most obvious precedent in front of your nose, but you refuse to see it.
The whole Putin regime is a fascist regime.
His fascist army invaded an independent country after they brainwashed a very large majority of the Russian society (+ you) into believing that they are fighting fascists.
That pseudo-swastika symbol they adopted is pure irony.
Sure, some are really ironic...the kids are just having fun and an idiot like me thinks it can be serious when the go and provoke a psycho like Putin with nuclear missiles.
Luckily we have you to educate us how they use it for a good lough and irony or they are into ancient Buddhism and use their symbols.
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(https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/ukraine-azov-movement-national-corps.jpg?w=1500)
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Extremists are everywhere.
I can give you US examples from Charlotsville, from the Capitol insurrection, and more.
It doesn't mean that the USA is a fascist regime. We always had a strong opposition, private companies can censor the president, individuals can sue the government and win.
However, Putin's regime is checking ALL fascism boxes.
Russia is today 100% a fascist state. There is zero doubt about it.
You asked for an example and you got it. Consider yourself educated.
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https://khpg.org/en/1608809502
KHPG is one of the oldest Ukrainian human rights organizations and partners with Amnesty etc.
Plus plenty of other articles on that site. To show the claim is ridiculous coming from Russia.
You want me to post photos of American NeoNazis militias? or from other Eastern European countries, almost all of which also have Neo *? How about photos of US members of congress attending white nationalist meetings or conventions? How many photos do you want? Thousands? I can dig up thousands if you like.
I can even find footage of an American president claiming to not know who David Duke is to avoid having to denounce him. Does that mean all Americans or Eastern Europeans are *? Does it mean the whole population deserves to be bombed or made refugees because of a minority of people. This is so childish.
EDIT: Don’t want to get derailed by this stuff too much. But your photos are again very dubious. Only 2 show very small groups of Neo * (a handful) and one other shows a small group of NeoNazis as part of a much larger crowd of marchers. The larger march may or may not have anything to do with the far right in general (zero context, it could be an anti EU march or anti Russian march for example; the N*zis are ultra-nationalists against both, other people could be marching too).
The large groups with fists on chest don’t have any indication they are anything to do with extremism. The soldiers don’t have anything on them to indicate they are Azov battalion or similar. The banners are just the coat of arms of the Ukraine. The fist to chest salute is a very common Russian/ Ukrainian gesture Бить себя кулаком в грудь used when giving an oath or similar. Like the hand on heart in the US.
I am not saying that you couldn't find other photos (as I have said Ukraine does have a NeoNazi problem), I'm just saying maybe be a bit more careful what you believe or if you can verify please cite your sources.
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Extremists are everywhere.
I can give you US examples from Charlotsville, from the Capitol insurection and more.
It doesn't mean that the USA is a fascist regime. We always had a strong opposition, private companies can censor the president, individuals can sue the government and win.
However, Putin's regime is checking ALL fascism boxes.
Russia is today 100% a fascist state. There is zero doubt about it.
You asked for an example and you got it. Consider yourself educated.
Which example ? Which country has nazi wings battalions as part of their national army wearing nazi symbols on their uniforms on national paycheck?
Answer please... no crap and around around...which country ?
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Which example ?
Russia. Russia is a fascist state. 100%
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https://khpg.org/en/1608809502
KHPG is one of the oldest Ukrainian human rights organizations and partners with Amnesty etc.
Plus plenty of other articles on that site. To show the claim is ridiculous coming from Russia.
You want me to post photos of American NeoNazis militias? or from other Eastern European countries, almost all of which also have Neo *? How about photos of US members of congress attending white nationalist meetings or conventions? How many photos do you want? Thousands? I can dig up thousands if you like.
Yes, the ones that are part of official US army forces on national payroll.
Show me one , just ONE, US soldier with nazi symbol on him standing in front of his superior.
I'm waiting...
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Which example ?
Russia. Russia is a fascist state.
Nice spin. Yes they are, together with other invaders on sovereign countries killing civilians and creating refugees.
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Nice spin. Yes they are, together with other invader on sovereign countries.
No spin. You asked for an example and you got it. You're welcome.
You may also want to educate yourself on what fascism is.
FYI, fighting wars is not a sufficient reason to call a regime fascist. It may not even be a necessary reason. A regime can be fascist without any involvement in wars.
These are the main boxes checked by all fascist regimes:
- Authoritarian leader
- Suppression of the opposition
- Submission of the economy to the will of the government.
- Submission of the justice system to the will of the government.
- Suppression of the free press and free speech
- Aggressive nationalist and cult of personality propaganda.
In other words, there is little difference between communism and fascism. The only difference is their position on the private property
The communists are confiscating it, while the fascists are tolerating it, as long as the owner is executing the orders of the fascist government.
Russia checks ALL boxes. We can add the aggression of several sovereign nations to it if you want.
Russia simply switched from communism to fascism.
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Nice spin. Yes they are, together with other invader on sovereign countries.
No spin. You asked for an example and you got it. You're welcome.
You may also want to educate yourself on what fascism is.
FYI, fighting wars is not a sufficient reason to call a regime fascist. It may not even be a necessary reason. A regime can be fascist without any involvment in wars.
These are the main boxes checked by all fascist regimes:
- Authoritarian leader
- Supression of the oposition
- Submission of the ecomomy to the will of the government.
- Submission of the justice system to the will of the government.
- Suppresion of the free press and free speech
- Aggresive nationalist and cult of personality propaganda.
In other words, there is little difference between communism and fascism. The only difference is their position on the private property
The communists are confiscating it, while the fascists are tolerating it, as long as the owner is executing the orders of the fascist government.
Russia checks ALL boxes. We can add the aggression of several sovereign nations to it, if you want.
Russia simply switched from communism to fascism.
Once again, you are trying to implement I dont agree on that. I fully agree.
The problem is that is that you and half of the world are so focused on them that you fail to realize how many boxes some other countries check with yours being high on the list. ;)
From building walls in fear of different, closing doors on refugees, racial issues, nationalism, patriotism, imprisoning people like Assange or Snowden for purely speaking the truth and revealing facts, invading sovereign countries against the will of our allies in UN, organizing revolutions, executing leaders without right of free trials, implementing laws on arresting people without a single proof for being guilty, having extreme percentage of population in prisons, police brutality...I could go on and on and on.
Pretty much same colors different shades.
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Once again, you are trying to implement I dont agree on that. I fully agree.
The problem is that is that you and half of the world are so focused on them that you fail to realize how many boxes some other countries check with yours being high on the list. ;)
So... you do admit that Russia IS a fascist state.
We are making progress, although you still can't refrain from throwing in another "whatabout".
Otherwise, no, we don't fail to realize "that". No democracy is perfect.
There are several boxes checked by the USA and other democratic countries, most of them temporarily, and most of them corrected by a healthy feedback loop (like democratic elections, inter-institutional checks-and-balances, the justice system...).
You are systematically focusing on the trees and you don't see the forest. You are desperately looking for isolated examples, for exceptions matching your rhetoric and you wrongly extrapolate them to the whole.
That's your problem and that's how propaganda is working.
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Once again, you are trying to implement I dont agree on that. I fully agree.
The problem is that is that you and half of the world are so focused on them that you fail to realize how many boxes some other countries check with yours being high on the list. ;)
So... you do admit that Russia IS a fascist state.
We are making progress, although you still can't refrain from throwing in another "whatabout".
Otherwise, no, we don't fail to realize "that". No democracy is perfect.
There are several boxes checked by the USA and other democratic countries, most of them temporarily, and most of them corrected by a healthy feedback loop (like democratic elections, inter-institutional checks and balances, the justice system...).
You are systematically focusing on the trees and you don't see the forest. You are desperately looking for isolated examples, for exceptions matching your rhetoric and you wrongly extrapolate them to the whole.
That's your problem and that's how propaganda is working.
Perfect? You are further away from perfect than fart from smelling nice. Same as China , Russia and similar imperialistic and colonialist forces creating trouble for years and bringing misery wherever they show up.
Isolated examples ? You had been in war for 227 years in your 244 years history of which almost all on others people lands. ;D
And I don't see a tree from a forest ?
I see couple of wolves fighting over power for centuries making peaceful people miserable and pulling them in wars that could easily been avoided. And we live in nuclear times.
People of Ukraine are being killed by a psycho in the middle of a fight for imperialistic dominance while other psychos are planning their next move.
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Perfect? You are further away from perfect than fart from smelling nice. Same as China , Russia and similar imperialistic and colonialist forces creating trouble for years and bringing misery wherever they show up.
Isolated examples ? You had been in war for 227 years in your 244 years history of which almost all on others people lands. ;D
And I don't see a tree from a forest ?
I see couple of wolves fighting over power for centuries making peaceful people miserable and pulling them in wars that could easily been avoided. And we live in nuclear times.
People of Ukraine are being killed by a psycho in the middle of a fight for imperialistic dominance while other psychos are planning their next move.
You asked for a modern example of fascism.
I convinced you that Russia is a fascist state.
The rest is just your typical whataboutism, reality spinning, and Russian propaganda speaking points we are all too familiar with.
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Which example ?
Russia. Russia is a fascist state. 100%
Ukraine is a fascist state and the regime of a Greenman... 100%.
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Extremists are everywhere.
Really?
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You have been brainwashed.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders)
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"Journalists are cheering on the arming of militias and civilians making improvised explosives – acts they usually treat as terrorism"
Anyone in the world that do improvised explosives to defend their country from an invader has my respect... you use what you can to defend yourself. If your country was attacked, you would do the same..
You have been brainwashed.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders)
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Global central banks are the problem, not the Russian people.
Ban the banks and implement crypto payments
Crypto payments aren’t safe either.
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You have been brainwashed.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders)
I think the problem is actually that you think the people you are arguing with have no knowledge of current affairs or history. You are bring things up about American imperialism and Western hypocrisy as if it is huge “gotcha” and no one has every heard about these things before.
What has this got to do with the people of Ukraine suffering right now? If you think these other issues also need attention then go make some noise about them elsewhere, why does it mean you can’t also be concerned for the people of Ukraine? It isn’t a team sport, these are actual human beings like you and those close to you being murdered or made homeless right now.
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Yeah, because them Russian photographers have been the most vocal when it comes to pushing for war?
Yeah, I heard that Russian secret photographic group actually forced Putin into war, threatening to blind him with Godox flash.
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Yeah, because them Russian photographers have been the most vocal when it comes to pushing for war?
Yeah, I heard that Russian secret photographic group actually forced Putin into war, threatening to blind him with Godox flash.
Not because of that, but because their international earnings will be fueling Putin's war economy, sponsoring the destruction of Ukraine, and the murdering of innocent civilians.
You don't want to be part of that, do you? I hope not.
But again, this is a moot point. Russian contributors are de-facto banned because they can't access their earnings anymore.
The same thing happened to Russians who use to make money from other American platforms, like Twitch:
"Payouts to the financial institution associated with your Twitch account have been blocked as a result of sanctions,” ... “Twitch complies with economic sanctions imposed by the United States and other governments, and is complying with those imposed in response to the situation in Ukraine. These sanctions may limit or impact your access to payouts, ability to monetize your stream, and/or financially support other creators."
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You have been brainwashed.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders)
I think the problem is actually that you think the people you are arguing with have no knowledge of current affairs or history. You are bring things up about American imperialism and Western hypocrisy as if it is huge “gotcha” and no one has every heard about these things before.
What has this got to do with the people of Ukraine suffering right now? If you think these other issues also need attention then go make some noise about them elsewhere, why does it mean you can’t also be concerned for the people of Ukraine? It isn’t a team sport, these are actual human beings like you and those close to you being murdered or made homeless right now.
I don’t think, I know they have no knowledge. I mention American imperialism and Western hypocrisy only because you seem to be a bunch of hypocrites. Be honest with yourself and others. Of course, the Russians are not innocent, but pretending that the Ukrainians are innocent is stupid. When the Russians were dying in Donbas, no one complained about this information. No one is sad for death of 14,000 innocent people. That's what I want to show you. What has this got to do with it...? Haven't you read the link? Don't you realize that much of the blame goes to American politics? Do you know what the Monroe Doctrine is? I feel sorry for every individual. If I had the power, I would end the war immediately and sit politicians at the negotiating table. And one more thing: I am for justice on all sides. I mentioned once that I don’t like Russians too much. As a tourists Russians and Chinese are rude. I like Americans more. When they come in my country they are nice. When I was in USA I felt there as home. Why I'm telling you this? I'm trying to make you understand.
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Maybe your problem is the way you do things... Being aggressive, condescendant or childish never helps !! You probably must calm down a bit and explain things without being prejudgemental. And also, don't put everyone in the same bucket, everybody is looking for the truth. From one person to another, nobody has exactly the same informations, even you.. Respect other persons viewpoints, if you want them to do the same.
You have been brainwashed.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders)
I think the problem is actually that you think the people you are arguing with have no knowledge of current affairs or history. You are bring things up about American imperialism and Western hypocrisy as if it is huge “gotcha” and no one has every heard about these things before.
What has this got to do with the people of Ukraine suffering right now? If you think these other issues also need attention then go make some noise about them elsewhere, why does it mean you can’t also be concerned for the people of Ukraine? It isn’t a team sport, these are actual human beings like you and those close to you being murdered or made homeless right now.
I don’t think, I know they have no knowledge. I mention American imperialism and Western hypocrisy only because you seem to be a bunch of hypocrites. Be honest with yourself and others. Of course, the Russians are not innocent, but pretending that the Ukrainians are innocent is stupid. When the Russians were dying in Donbas, no one complained about this information. No one is sad for death of 14,000 innocent people. That's what I want to show you. What has this got to do with it...? Haven't you read the link? Don't you realize that much of the blame goes to American politics? Do you know what the Monroe Doctrine is? I feel sorry for every individual. If I had the power, I would end the war immediately and sit politicians at the negotiating table. And one more thing: I am for justice on all sides. I mentioned once that I don’t like Russians too much. As a tourists Russians and Chinese are rude. I like Americans more. When they come in my country they are nice. When I was in USA I felt there as home. Why I'm telling you this? I'm trying to make you understand.
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I don’t think, I know they have no knowledge. I mention American imperialism and Western hypocrisy only because you seem to be a bunch of hypocrites. ....
so thankful we have you to enlighten (aka 'flame') us. you obviously haven't bothered to read the many messages showing detailed knowledge of actual history, rather than your histrionics & red herrings
Do you know what the Monroe Doctrine is?
yes, do you? how is it all similar to Russian aggression & war crimes? MD warned European powers to stay out of the western hemisphere, and had nothing to do with American interference south of the border. yet another failed attempt at 'whataboutism'
As a tourists Russians and Chinese are rude.
and you call others ignorant, then make silly statements like this?
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What is happening now in the western media is bias, provocation and unprofessionalism. This is especially true for Britain. I have never seen so much poison against the Russians. How did they not drown in that?
Remembered official quotation from past:
“In November 1991, in her speech in Houston, ex-British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said that ‘according to the estimates of the world community, it is economically feasible for only 15 million people to live in Russia.’”
Those. she proposed getting rid of 100 million people. There is no arguing with such bloodlust.
Why are the British so angry? Yes, because they were not allowed to quietly pump out resources from third countries. Have you forgotten what the development system of this country is based on? Remember her story. India, colonies, etc. Now they were given between their legs and kicked out of the Russian Federation.
Imagine, Russia has been cleansed of all Western trash: fast food, premium items and cars. Yes, thank you for this!
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Yep, you're right, Fox News is definitively bias, provocation and unprofessionalism...
What is happening now in the western media is bias, provocation and unprofessionalism. This is especially true for Britain. I have never seen so much poison against the Russians. How did they not drown in that?
Remembered official quotation from past:
“In November 1991, in her speech in Houston, ex-British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said that ‘according to the estimates of the world community, it is economically feasible for only 15 million people to live in Russia.’”
Those. she proposed getting rid of 100 million people. There is no arguing with such bloodlust.
Why are the British so angry? Yes, because they were not allowed to quietly pump out resources from third countries. Have you forgotten what the development system of this country is based on? Remember her story. India, colonies, etc. Now they were given between their legs and kicked out of the Russian Federation.
Imagine, Russia has been cleansed of all Western trash: fast food, premium items and cars. Yes, thank you for this!
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Well ....you can always go back to your Ladas. At least being a mechanic will then be a prospective amazing and successful job in the future in Russia. Time to change vectors for the wrench? ::)
Imagine, Russia has been cleansed of all Western trash: fast food, premium items and cars. Yes, thank you for this!
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"Russian photographers should be banned!" - this is pure nazism. American photographers supposed to be banned because of the war in Afghanistan? Israeli and Turkish because of the war in Syria? I guess that Russian photographers are leaders on microstock agencies and that many do not like that.
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Well . I would not call this nazism. This word is more appropriate to bombing a Children's hospital for example.
Many people here believe Russian stock contributors or russian citizens in the west should be not responsible for what Mr Putin does. But the fact is that in times of war citizens of the enemy are blocked. If you look at history that happened with german in the allied states for a well-known reason. If the conflict escalates, more and more russian citizen will not be able to conduct business in the west. This is neither fair nor desirable, but that's one of the collateral damages that happen in war.
The best thing than can happen is that Putin goes back to mother Russia and lets Ukrainians rebuild their country. If it does not, more pain is ahead, for russian contributors and for those that are not. War has these consequences....most people loose some way or another.
"Russian photographers should be banned!" - this is pure nazism. American photographers supposed to be banned because of the war in Afghanistan? Israeli and Turkish because of the war in Syria? I guess that Russian photographers are leaders on microstock agencies and that many do not like that.
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"Russian photographers should be banned!" - this is pure nazism. American photographers supposed to be banned because of the war in Afghanistan? Israeli and Turkish because of the war in Syria? I guess that Russian photographers are leaders on microstock agencies and that many do not like that.
Putin has long been preparing a break from the global internet to turn more closely to a Chinese model to insulate it from the west. So stock agencies don't need to restrict Russian contributors, their own regime will soon block all links to the outside world. What a great country!
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Yeah, because them Russian photographers have been the most vocal when it comes to pushing for war?
Yeah, I heard that Russian secret photographic group actually forced Putin into war, threatening to blind him with Godox flash.
Not because of that, but because their international earnings will be fuelling Putin's war economy, sponsoring the destruction of Ukraine, and the murdering of innocent civilians.
You don't want to be part of that, do you? I hope not.
But again, this is a moot point. Russian contributors are de-facto banned because they can't access their earnings anymore.
The same thing happened to Russians who use to make money from other American platforms, like Twitch:
"Payouts to the financial institution associated with your Twitch account have been blocked as a result of sanctions,” ... “Twitch complies with economic sanctions imposed by the United States and other governments, and is complying with those imposed in response to the situation in Ukraine. These sanctions may limit or impact your access to payouts, ability to monetize your stream, and/or financially support other creators."
Getting back to usual buccaneer tactics? Nothing unusual or surprising.
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Well . I would not call this nazism. This word is more appropriate to bombing a Children's hospital for example.
Many people here believe Russian stock contributors or russian citizens in the west should be not responsible for what Mr Putin does. But the fact is that in times of war citizens of the enemy are blocked. If you look at history that happened with german in the allied states for a well-known reason. If the conflict escalates, more and more russian citizen will not be able to conduct business in the west. This is neither fair nor desirable, but that's one of the collateral damages that happen in war.
The best thing than can happen is that Putin goes back to mother Russia and lets Ukrainians rebuild their country. If it does not, more pain is ahead, for russian contributors and for those that are not. War has these consequences....most people loose some way or another.
"Russian photographers should be banned!" - this is pure nazism. American photographers supposed to be banned because of the war in Afghanistan? Israeli and Turkish because of the war in Syria? I guess that Russian photographers are leaders on microstock agencies and that many do not like that.
Are you talking about Afghan Children's hospital or Vietnamese? Maybe one in Yugoslavia? Libya? Please be more precise.
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Maybe your problem is the way you do things... Being aggressive, condescendant or childish never helps !! You probably must calm down a bit and explain things without being prejudgemental. And also, don't put everyone in the same bucket, everybody is looking for the truth. From one person to another, nobody has exactly the same informations, even you.. Respect other persons viewpoints, if you want them to do the same.
You have been brainwashed.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders)
I think the problem is actually that you think the people you are arguing with have no knowledge of current affairs or history. You are bring things up about American imperialism and Western hypocrisy as if it is huge “gotcha” and no one has every heard about these things before.
What has this got to do with the people of Ukraine suffering right now? If you think these other issues also need attention then go make some noise about them elsewhere, why does it mean you can’t also be concerned for the people of Ukraine? It isn’t a team sport, these are actual human beings like you and those close to you being murdered or made homeless right now.
I don’t think, I know they have no knowledge. I mention American imperialism and Western hypocrisy only because you seem to be a bunch of hypocrites. Be honest with yourself and others. Of course, the Russians are not innocent, but pretending that the Ukrainians are innocent is stupid. When the Russians were dying in Donbas, no one complained about this information. No one is sad for death of 14,000 innocent people. That's what I want to show you. What has this got to do with it...? Haven't you read the link? Don't you realize that much of the blame goes to American politics? Do you know what the Monroe Doctrine is? I feel sorry for every individual. If I had the power, I would end the war immediately and sit politicians at the negotiating table. And one more thing: I am for justice on all sides. I mentioned once that I don’t like Russians too much. As a tourists Russians and Chinese are rude. I like Americans more. When they come in my country they are nice. When I was in USA I felt there as home. Why I'm telling you this? I'm trying to make you understand.
I have no problem. You have problems with others. You don't accept that some might think differently. You are childish, not me. I just put a mirror against your comments, that's it. And no, not everyone is looking for the truth. Next post under yours, read it. Prejudgemental - that's the word, indeed. I will respect others when others behave.
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I don’t think, I know they have no knowledge. I mention American imperialism and Western hypocrisy only because you seem to be a bunch of hypocrites. ....
so thankful we have you to enlighten (aka 'flame') us. you obviously haven't bothered to read the many messages showing detailed knowledge of actual history, rather than your histrionics & red herrings
Do you know what the Monroe Doctrine is?
yes, do you? how is it all similar to Russian aggression & war crimes? MD warned European powers to stay out of the western hemisphere, and had nothing to do with American interference south of the border. yet another failed attempt at 'whataboutism'
As a tourists Russians and Chinese are rude.
and you call others ignorant, then make silly statements like this?
It is very very similar and
No really, I don't read all the messages here. They are irrelevant and biased. Yes I do know. It's so similar to the situation we are dealing now. You just need to have some IQ to connect the dots. Sorry. Yet another failed attempt of "Ihaterussians" rhetoric.
"The Monroe Doctrine was a United States foreign policy position that opposed European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere. It held that any intervention in the political affairs of the Americas by foreign powers was a potentially hostile act against the U.S. The doctrine was central to U.S. foreign policy for much of the 19th and early 20th centuries."
Hope you can read. If you can't do it slowly many times. Maybe you childish nature will let you go... Maybe.
It's not silly statement and if you don't understand, not my problem. Not only my words but the words of many people in tourism industry.
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"Russian photographers should be banned!" - this is pure nazism. American photographers supposed to be banned because of the war in Afghanistan? Israeli and Turkish because of the war in Syria? I guess that Russian photographers are leaders on microstock agencies and that many do not like that.
Yes, those people here like Nazism. I saw that in the first posts when all this started.
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Well . I would not call this nazism. This word is more appropriate to bombing a Children's hospital for example.
Many people here believe Russian stock contributors or russian citizens in the west should be not responsible for what Mr Putin does. But the fact is that in times of war citizens of the enemy are blocked. If you look at history that happened with german in the allied states for a well-known reason. If the conflict escalates, more and more russian citizen will not be able to conduct business in the west. This is neither fair nor desirable, but that's one of the collateral damages that happen in war.
The best thing than can happen is that Putin goes back to mother Russia and lets Ukrainians rebuild their country. If it does not, more pain is ahead, for russian contributors and for those that are not. War has these consequences....most people loose some way or another.
"Russian photographers should be banned!" - this is pure nazism. American photographers supposed to be banned because of the war in Afghanistan? Israeli and Turkish because of the war in Syria? I guess that Russian photographers are leaders on microstock agencies and that many do not like that.
Are you talking about Afghan Children's hospital or Vietnamese? Maybe one in Yugoslavia? Libya? Please be more precise.
He doesn't know about that. He is blind. This member is spreading hate here and should be banned!
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I think we are talking about the Rusia UKrania war here. But yes, I condemn US bombing when it causes civil deaths. It does not matter if it was in Hiroshima or an Afghanistan village. The same way I condemn Russian bombing in the City of Homs, Grozny or Kiev. Have I made myself clear now.
Are you talking about Afghan Children's hospital or Vietnamese? Maybe one in Yugoslavia? Libya? Please be more precise.
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I think you didn't had your Nescafe today !!
Maybe your problem is the way you do things... Being aggressive, condescendant or childish never helps !! You probably must calm down a bit and explain things without being prejudgemental. And also, don't put everyone in the same bucket, everybody is looking for the truth. From one person to another, nobody has exactly the same informations, even you.. Respect other persons viewpoints, if you want them to do the same.
You have been brainwashed.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders)
I think the problem is actually that you think the people you are arguing with have no knowledge of current affairs or history. You are bring things up about American imperialism and Western hypocrisy as if it is huge “gotcha” and no one has every heard about these things before.
What has this got to do with the people of Ukraine suffering right now? If you think these other issues also need attention then go make some noise about them elsewhere, why does it mean you can’t also be concerned for the people of Ukraine? It isn’t a team sport, these are actual human beings like you and those close to you being murdered or made homeless right now.
I don’t think, I know they have no knowledge. I mention American imperialism and Western hypocrisy only because you seem to be a bunch of hypocrites. Be honest with yourself and others. Of course, the Russians are not innocent, but pretending that the Ukrainians are innocent is stupid. When the Russians were dying in Donbas, no one complained about this information. No one is sad for death of 14,000 innocent people. That's what I want to show you. What has this got to do with it...? Haven't you read the link? Don't you realize that much of the blame goes to American politics? Do you know what the Monroe Doctrine is? I feel sorry for every individual. If I had the power, I would end the war immediately and sit politicians at the negotiating table. And one more thing: I am for justice on all sides. I mentioned once that I don’t like Russians too much. As a tourists Russians and Chinese are rude. I like Americans more. When they come in my country they are nice. When I was in USA I felt there as home. Why I'm telling you this? I'm trying to make you understand.
I have no problem. You have problems with others. You don't accept that some might think differently. You are childish, not me. I just put a mirror against your comments, that's it. And no, not everyone is looking for the truth. Next post under yours, read it. Prejudgemental - that's the word, indeed. I will respect others when others behave.
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In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*. Do you think because some crazy extremist minorities a country has the right to bomb and kill innocent children , women, men, many who are totally against any radicalism. You are totally out of your mind if you think the same way as the leader of Russia.
Putin will pay for his genocide. Have no doubt about it. If you ask me, it will be sooner than later. The whole world is against him.....well not the whole world. It seems North Korea, Belarus, Syria, Eritrea support him. Great partners.......
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
If you would stop supporting the lies and stop defending the attacks on civilians with not related whatabout, you might see the truth.
Anonymous has successfully breached and leaked the database of Roskomnadzor, the Russian federal executive agency responsible for monitoring, controlling and censoring Russian mass media, releasing to the public over 360K files.
Russia has a federal agency that controls the media and distributes the Russian government the lies. Why does Russia want to block ban Facebook and Wikipedia. Is there something in the truth that they can't tell the Russian people? Putin will be tried as a war criminal.
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In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*. Do you think because some crazy extremist minorities a country has the right to bomb and kill innocent children , women, men, many who are totally against any radicalism. You are totally out of your mind if you think the same way as the leader of Russia.
Putin will pay for his genocide. Have no doubt about it. If you ask me, it will be sooner than later. The whole world is against him.....well not the whole world. It seems North Korea, Belarus, Syria, Eritrea support him. Great partners.......
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
If you would stop supporting the lies and stop defending the attacks on civilians with not related whatabout, you might see the truth.
Anonymous has successfully breached and leaked the database of Roskomnadzor, the Russian federal executive agency responsible for monitoring, controlling and censoring Russian mass media, releasing to the public over 360K files.
Russia has a federal agency that controls the media and distributes the Russian government the lies. Why does Russia want to block ban Facebook and Wikipedia. Is there something in the truth that they can't tell the Russian people? Putin will be tried as a war criminal.
Just came here to check if you have already started to measure skulls to check race purity of stockers.
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In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*. Do you think because some crazy extremist minorities a country has the right to bomb and kill innocent children , women, men, many who are totally against any radicalism. You are totally out of your mind if you think the same way as the leader of Russia.
Putin will pay for his genocide. Have no doubt about it. If you ask me, it will be sooner than later. The whole world is against him.....well not the whole world. It seems North Korea, Belarus, Syria, Eritrea support him. Great partners.......
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
If you would stop supporting the lies and stop defending the attacks on civilians with not related whatabout, you might see the truth.
Anonymous has successfully breached and leaked the database of Roskomnadzor, the Russian federal executive agency responsible for monitoring, controlling and censoring Russian mass media, releasing to the public over 360K files.
Russia has a federal agency that controls the media and distributes the Russian government the lies. Why does Russia want to block ban Facebook and Wikipedia. Is there something in the truth that they can't tell the Russian people? Putin will be tried as a war criminal.
EU ban seems like some type of communism. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/)
When lies are exposed...
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In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*. Do you think because some crazy extremist minorities a country has the right to bomb and kill innocent children , women, men, many who are totally against any radicalism. You are totally out of your mind if you think the same way as the leader of Russia.
Putin will pay for his genocide. Have no doubt about it. If you ask me, it will be sooner than later. The whole world is against him.....well not the whole world. It seems North Korea, Belarus, Syria, Eritrea support him. Great partners.......
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
If you would stop supporting the lies and stop defending the attacks on civilians with not related whatabout, you might see the truth.
Anonymous has successfully breached and leaked the database of Roskomnadzor, the Russian federal executive agency responsible for monitoring, controlling and censoring Russian mass media, releasing to the public over 360K files.
Russia has a federal agency that controls the media and distributes the Russian government the lies. Why does Russia want to block ban Facebook and Wikipedia. Is there something in the truth that they can't tell the Russian people? Putin will be tried as a war criminal.
Just came here to check if you have already started to measure skulls to check race purity of stockers.
I think the question was, why is there a Federal agency in Russia that controls media and is responsible for monitoring, controlling and censoring Russian mass media? I never heard of the agency before today, so I looked. Here's something interesting. "A number of experts recruited by Roscomnadzor are associated with pseudo-scientific and sectarian movements, including HIV-deniers, ultra-conservative, anti-vaccination and alternative "medicine" activists." Oh wow, nice bunch off in their own world?
The invasion is nothing more than a big lie, which has led to war crimes and other humanitarian atrocities.
Microstockers are independent individuals and we aren't part of any governments. Attacks on people are misguided, as the people aren't the ones in power who are invading and committing these crimes. Lets leave them out of the debate.
If you want ethnic cleansing look no further than Russian history.
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If anyone still wonders how the Russian 100% state-owned media is brainwashing the masses, here is an example:
https://twitter.com/wszewko/status/1501577670672457735
Comment from the Twitter OP: Please see what the host will do on the Zwiezda (Ros.) Channel when the program participant mentions that Russian soldiers are now dying in Ukraine ...
... and here is a loose translation of that exchange:
- Here we are many persons with military experience from Afghanistan, the Chechnya campaign, and Donbas. We have there even our boys from Donetsk and Lugansk and special forces who are dying now, and our country...
- No, no, no, no! I don't want to hear that! Listen to me! Wait! Stop! Listen!
- ... they die, anyway...
- Wait! Stop! You can't stop or what?
- ... I only want all of us to stand now and keep a moment of silence in their memory...
- What are you doing?
- ... a minute of silence for our boys who fight for Russia ...
- Can you stop him?
- ... and for Donbas...
- Can you stop now? I will tell you what our boys are doing. Our boys are destroying the fascist scum(?)
- ... it's correct, but...
- Let me finish. This is the triumph of the Russian army. It is the rebirth of Russia!
The only question we can ask ourselves now is what floor number that officer will accidentally fall from.
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EU ban seems like some type of communism. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/)
When lies are exposed...
you don't have a clue! how is that possibly about communism? you continue to expose your ignorance of basic logic & political thought!
When lies are exposed...
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EU ban seems like some type of communism. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/)
When lies are exposed...
you don't have a clue! how is that possibly about communism? you continue to expose your ignorance of basic logic & political thought!
When lies are exposed...
Well if the EU bans russian information and on the other hand Facebook (Meta) allows hate speech against russians you can definitely say there is no equal share of information anymore. But keep it up, it must serve some good goal, I guess?
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EU ban seems like some type of communism. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/)
When lies are exposed...
you don't have a clue! how is that possibly about communism? you continue to expose your ignorance of basic logic & political thought!
When lies are exposed...
Well if the EU bans russian information and on the other hand Facebook (Meta) allows hate speech against russians you can definitely say there is no equal share of information anymore. But keep it up, it must serve some good goal, I guess?
first, 1 was commenting on their ludicrous claims of communism
as usual, i'll ask, but know you have no evidence for your claims. criticism of Russia's aggression is not hate speech; while ignorance & misinformation have no claim to 'equal time' (not to mention outright lies spewing from Russia [Ukrainian attacks on their own people, biowarfare, etc])
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as usual, i'll ask, but know you have no evidence for your claims.
It is all over the news. But if you missed it, here is a link, for example:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-instagram-temporarily-allow-calls-violence-against-russians-2022-03-10/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-instagram-temporarily-allow-calls-violence-against-russians-2022-03-10/)
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EU ban seems like some type of communism. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/)
When lies are exposed...
you don't have a clue! how is that possibly about communism? you continue to expose your ignorance of basic logic & political thought!
When lies are exposed...
Can I tell you a secret? I use my brain. Two countries in the world have banned the media. Both communist. Can you now see the pattern?
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For all of you Russian haters, your lovely Israeli guy has spoken:
https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/2022-russian-invasion-ukraine/news/zelensky-softening-stance-says-no-longer-pressing-ukraines-nato-membership-2978616 (https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/2022-russian-invasion-ukraine/news/zelensky-softening-stance-says-no-longer-pressing-ukraines-nato-membership-2978616)
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For all of you Russian haters, your lovely Israeli guy has spoken:
https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/2022-russian-invasion-ukraine/news/zelensky-softening-stance-says-no-longer-pressing-ukraines-nato-membership-2978616 (https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/2022-russian-invasion-ukraine/news/zelensky-softening-stance-says-no-longer-pressing-ukraines-nato-membership-2978616)
How can he be an Israeli? I thought you said he was a Nazi?
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For all of you Russian haters, your lovely Israeli guy has spoken:
https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/2022-russian-invasion-ukraine/news/zelensky-softening-stance-says-no-longer-pressing-ukraines-nato-membership-2978616 (https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/2022-russian-invasion-ukraine/news/zelensky-softening-stance-says-no-longer-pressing-ukraines-nato-membership-2978616)
How can he be an Israeli? I thought you said he was a Nazi?
Jewish if you will. Happy?
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Jewish * must be a new species. Until then, I had believed that they were mutually exclusive.
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If anyone still wonders how the Russian 100% state-owned media is brainwashing the masses, here is an example:
https://twitter.com/wszewko/status/1501577670672457735
Comment from the Twitter OP: Please see what the host will do on the Zwiezda (Ros.) Channel when the program participant mentions that Russian soldiers are now dying in Ukraine ...
... and here is a loose translation of that exchange:
- Here we are many persons with military experience from Afghanistan, the Chechnya campaign, and Donbas. We have there even our boys from Donetsk and Lugansk and special forces who are dying now, and our country...
- No, no, no, no! I don't want to hear that! Listen to me! Wait! Stop! Listen!
- ... they die, anyway...
- Wait! Stop! You can't stop or what?
- ... I only want all of us to stand now and keep a moment of silence in their memory...
- What are you doing?
- ... a minute of silence for our boys who fight for Russia ...
- Can you stop him?
- ... and for Donbas...
- Can you stop now? I will tell you what our boys are doing. Our boys are destroying the fascist scum(?)
- ... it's correct, but...
- Let me finish. This is the triumph of the Russian army. It is the rebirth of Russia!
The only question we can ask ourselves now is what floor number that officer will accidentally fall from.
Hi all, any latest democratic practiсes updates? My chief concern is yellow star badges for Russian photographers - is 1930s design still trendy or we must look forward to something new and exclusive? A reply from our friendly colleagues from shiny freest states is highly appreciated.
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- is 1930s design still trendy or we must look forward to something new and exclusive?
Yes, you are so right. This is exactly what we are seeing.
History repeats itself. It is the 30s all over again:
Just replace:
- fascist Germany with fascist Russia.
- the annexation of Austria with the annexation of Crimea.
- the annexation of Sudentenland and Czechoslovakia with the annexation of Donbas and Luhansk
- the invasion of Poland with the invasion of Ukraine
- Putin with.... you know already.
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Putin has been a murderer since his early days killing thousands by starving or bombing residential buildings. He is a psycho, like Stalin or Hitler. This is not new.
Can't understand the rage now, big business with him and his friends in the past (and now, mainly in the USA).
All russian citizens must be switched off from everywhere (visas, accounts, cards, internet, etc.) in western countries. If they want to be beasts, they can not live or make business in our countries.
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And continuing the logic. Efforts of many countries were needed to end the II war. Ordinary Germans who was against the regime were powerless to accomplish it. It was before the nuclear era. Now the collective efforts are needed again. But the political and economical ones, otherwise we probably will not see what happen after. The game without rules it is just a non-stop change of the rules. Call for a collective responsibility brings nowhere. If it was applied to all Germans, the modern world could become a dystopia. In the news i see a lot of messages that russians started to leave their country too, about 200 000 for now. Who cannot change the regime, can at least stop feeding it by living and working there. The regime loses its brain capital. The world become too small to use a war for conflict solving. And the world has many other problems.
I sent money to a charity. Everybody does what he can to help Ukrainian population. Status quo of the borders should be restored. Without starting a III war. Call for a highest qualification of politicians, elected in the democratic part of the world.
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ALL germans were guilty for Adolf Hitler.
ALL russians are guity for Vladimir Putin.
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ALL germans were guilty for Adolf Hitler.
ALL russians are guity for Vladimir Putin.
Not true.
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ALL germans were guilty for Adolf Hitler.
ALL russians are guity for Vladimir Putin.
And all Americans are guilty for Trump?
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Can I tell you a secret? I use my brain. Two countries in the world have banned the media. Both communist. Can you now see the pattern?
1. cherry picking, plus Russia hasn't been 'communist' since 1990 and, again, logic fault
2. here's the 10 most censored in 2019 (obviously Russia should now join the list)
Eritrea
North Korea
Turkmenistan
Saudi Arabia
China
Vietnam
Iran
Equatorial Guinea
Belarus
Cuba
https://cpj.org/reports/2019/09/10-most-censored-eritrea-north-korea-turkmenistan-journalist/ (https://cpj.org/reports/2019/09/10-most-censored-eritrea-north-korea-turkmenistan-journalist/)
3. Or -- Media Is Partly or Completely Restricted in 132 Countries, According to the 2021 World Press Freedom Index
https://time.com/5956009/press-freedom/ (https://time.com/5956009/press-freedom/)
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Can I tell you a secret? I use my brain. Two countries in the world have banned the media. Both communist. Can you now see the pattern?
1. cherry picking, plus Russia hasn't been 'communist' since 1990 and, again, logic fault
2. here's the 10 most censored in 2019 (obviously Russia should now join the list)
Eritrea
North Korea
Turkmenistan
Saudi Arabia
China
Vietnam
Iran
Equatorial Guinea
Belarus
Cuba
https://cpj.org/reports/2019/09/10-most-censored-eritrea-north-korea-turkmenistan-journalist/ (https://cpj.org/reports/2019/09/10-most-censored-eritrea-north-korea-turkmenistan-journalist/)
3. Or -- Media Is Partly or Completely Restricted in 132 Countries, According to the 2021 World Press Freedom Index
https://time.com/5956009/press-freedom/ (https://time.com/5956009/press-freedom/)
I don't really want to play the advocate of the devil here, but if countries that hold up the principle of free speech and then ban certain media because of the news that they spread or on the other hand you have companies that have stricts rule against hate speech but suddenly allow hate speech against one particular people, it's becoming really weird. You eventually might ask yourself if the principles are really true, or that they allow you just as long it doesn't deviate to much from the thinking that is allowed. And then those countries are not that different as the countries they accuse for not having free speech. It's almost exactly the same.
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ALL germans were guilty for Adolf Hitler.
ALL russians are guity for Vladimir Putin.
And all Americans are guilty for Trump?
Trump is a r.etded clown. He only can be a president in the USA. But he is not Hitler or Putin.
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For all of you Russian haters, your lovely Israeli guy has spoken:
https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/2022-russian-invasion-ukraine/news/zelensky-softening-stance-says-no-longer-pressing-ukraines-nato-membership-2978616 (https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/2022-russian-invasion-ukraine/news/zelensky-softening-stance-says-no-longer-pressing-ukraines-nato-membership-2978616)
How can he be an Israeli? I thought you said he was a Nazi?
Jewish if you will. Happy?
Your comments are filthy and you sound just like those idiots on RT comments always screaming about jew this and jewws running the world and jew-America and how hitler was right.
If you are an example of how russians think these days then your country is lost.
You are either a complete idiot or a nasty fascist and a disgrace to humanity.
I really think Leaf needs to block you and close this thread
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Trump said that mexicans are dirty, lazy and criminals.
But he never could have said: "Mexico is not a real country, mexicans are animals unable to live, not people, and I'm going to make Mexico a parking lot" because these actions would have been stopped in the USA. The USA is not a perfect country, we know it well, but is not Russia, North Korea or the Nazi Germany. Russia is.
In fact, Trump lost the general election and now there is a new guy in charge. The young one.
Yesterday, russian obsolete weapons hit really close to Poland's border (15Km.), an EU and NATO country. All ukrainians are going to die soon, but we all are really close to extinction.
Only russians can stop the new Hitler, because It's too late for the rest.
Regards.
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Putin has been a murderer since his early days killing thousands by starving or bombing residential buildings. He is a psycho, like Stalin or Hitler. This is not new.
Can't understand the rage now, big business with him and his friends in the past (and now, mainly in the USA).
All russian citizens must be switched off from everywhere (visas, accounts, cards, internet, etc.) in western countries. If they want to be beasts, they can not live or make business in our countries.
Let's se where we can find Stalins and Hitlers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
All American citizens must be switched off from everywhere (visas, accounts, cards, internet, etc.). If they want to be beasts, they can not live or make business in our countries.
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Can I tell you a secret? I use my brain. Two countries in the world have banned the media. Both communist. Can you now see the pattern?
1. cherry picking, plus Russia hasn't been 'communist' since 1990 and, again, logic fault
2. here's the 10 most censored in 2019 (obviously Russia should now join the list)
Eritrea
North Korea
Turkmenistan
Saudi Arabia
China
Vietnam
Iran
Equatorial Guinea
Belarus
Cuba
https://cpj.org/reports/2019/09/10-most-censored-eritrea-north-korea-turkmenistan-journalist/ (https://cpj.org/reports/2019/09/10-most-censored-eritrea-north-korea-turkmenistan-journalist/)
3. Or -- Media Is Partly or Completely Restricted in 132 Countries, According to the 2021 World Press Freedom Index
https://time.com/5956009/press-freedom/ (https://time.com/5956009/press-freedom/)
Don't forget the EU.