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Title: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: illstudio on December 03, 2016, 12:09
DT says my DRAWING illustration of Santa Claus needs a subject release... Really?
Are they kidding me?? Or maybe (even worse) they want a property release of his North Pole house in the drawing...  :o

I resubmitted with to editor comment:
"Santa Claus is a fictional character in public domain. Also I don't think I need a property release for his fictional north pole residence either... lol"

This made my day.  :)
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Dumc on December 03, 2016, 12:24
Maybe you should re-submit with release and with "Santa Claus" signed in it. That would be even funnier...
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: noodle on December 03, 2016, 13:27
Reviewers could be from far east who would probably accept the signed MR
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Pauws99 on December 03, 2016, 17:16
Santa Claus a fictional character!!!????....oh no my life is in tatters people on this forum are so cynical......
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Giveme5 on December 03, 2016, 17:36
Here is his current address for my release-

Santa's Address
Santa Claus
325 S. Santa Claus Lane
North Pole, Alaska 99705

You can use Mr. Claus or Kris Kringle for the name. 

Nothing like the holiday sprite...

 8)
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: sweetgirll on December 03, 2016, 17:37
Did you mean a property release?

But some microstock, like Shutterstock, requires that you provide a release form signed for physical paintings that were scanned, such as illustraitons, paintings and drawings that were not created in the computer.

The property release is not for the North pole location, but is for your physical painting.

DT says my DRAWING illustration of Santa Claus needs a subject release... Really?
Are they kidding me?? Or maybe (even worse) they want a property release of his North Pole house in the drawing...  :o

I resubmitted with to editor comment:
"Santa Claus is a fictional character in public domain. Also I don't think I need a property release for his fictional north pole residence either... lol"

This made my day.  :)
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 03, 2016, 18:31
Santa Claus a fictional character!!!????....oh no my life is in tatters people on this forum are so cynical......

Yeah same guy goes around telling people there's no Easter Bunny! Santa is real, I've seen him flying through the Winter night.  :-*

Subject release or artists property release?
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: illstudio on December 04, 2016, 01:15
"Subject Release"  :o
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: illstudio on December 04, 2016, 01:18
Did you mean a property release?

But some microstock, like Shutterstock, requires that you provide a release form signed for physical paintings that were scanned, such as illustraitons, paintings and drawings that were not created in the computer.

The property release is not for the North pole location, but is for your physical painting.

DT says my DRAWING illustration of Santa Claus needs a subject release... Really?
Are they kidding me?? Or maybe (even worse) they want a property release of his North Pole house in the drawing...  :o

I resubmitted with to editor comment:
"Santa Claus is a fictional character in public domain. Also I don't think I need a property release for his fictional north pole residence either... lol"

This made my day.  :)

No Ive submitted other original art without the slightest problem, in fact one with Santa in a sleigh.
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: gyllens on December 04, 2016, 02:17
Actually the official home of Santa is on the border of the very north of Sweden and Finland. :D
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 04, 2016, 03:46
subject release is a new one, probably a non english speaker
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on December 04, 2016, 06:13
subject release is a new one, probably a non english speaker
Surely the rejection reasons are all standardised one-click buttons? It would waste a lot of reviewer time if they had to type them individually.
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on December 04, 2016, 06:37
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/question-about-release-for-artwork/msg467835/#msg467835 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/question-about-release-for-artwork/msg467835/#msg467835)

I refer you back to your own thread last time this came up. They want proof you drew it.
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Giveme5 on December 04, 2016, 07:53
Santa Claus a fictional character!!!????....oh no my life is in tatters people on this forum are so cynical......

Yeah same guy goes around telling people there's no Easter Bunny! Santa is real, I've seen him flying through the Winter night.  :-*



What are you putting in your eggnog? I need some of that  ;)


Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: illstudio on December 04, 2016, 11:07
[url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/question-about-release-for-artwork/msg467835/#msg467835[/url] ([url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/question-about-release-for-artwork/msg467835/#msg467835[/url])

I refer you back to your own thread last time this came up. They want proof you drew it.


Nope. Cause DT has multiple illustrations of mine accepted NOT asking for proof of originality. And as I mentioned one is of Santa in a sleigh.
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on December 04, 2016, 12:20
They don't always ask for it, depends on the reviewer, but it happens quite frequently.

ETA. Just checked, you only have a handful of illustrations, this happens every now and then. Fill in their property release for them and upload it or ignore it and move on. They probably wont ask for one for your next illustration.
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on December 04, 2016, 13:26
Santa Claus a fictional character!!!????....oh no my life is in tatters people on this forum are so cynical......

Yeah same guy goes around telling people there's no Easter Bunny! Santa is real, I've seen him flying through the Winter night.  :-*

Subject release or artists property release?

it won't help you this year, but you can surely get him to sign the MR on dec 24th
when you leave him cookies under the tree,
leave a MR with a note "please sign the model release, Mr. Claus,
and get rudolph or an elf to witness it, thx!!!"
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: microstockinsider on December 04, 2016, 20:28
Santa Claus is a bit of a minefield, http://www.theipcenter.com/2015/01/in-the-name-of-santa-claus-trademark-law/ (http://www.theipcenter.com/2015/01/in-the-name-of-santa-claus-trademark-law/) but I cant find a reference to a specific rights holder in the Getty IP wiki, is probably someone at DT being a bit overly cautious. (guessing as i've not seen the drawing) coca cola famously have their (quite recognizable) Christmas santa protected
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: k_t_g on December 05, 2016, 00:05
Actually the official home of Santa is on the border of the very north of Sweden and Finland. :D

Also has a summer home in Canada's North pole.  ;)
Yup sounds like the over kill doings of Shutterstock.  ::)
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 05, 2016, 10:17
subject release is a new one, probably a non english speaker


I asked because I've never heard of or seen a subject release? Model release, property release, http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-image-releases/ (http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-image-releases/)
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 05, 2016, 10:26
Baldrick, i know, but you do get manual replies when you contact support, i thought the op had done that. if it is an automated rejection that says subject release, then its a new rejection reason
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: sweetgirll on December 05, 2016, 12:23
I never heard of subject release either...
this is not a standard term in the industry.
It is either model release or property release.

But the OP is with Dreamstime not Shutterstock.

I searched Dreams for a "subject" release but couldn't find it.

I saw his black and white drawings and is possible that previous Reviewers got approved without releases because they might thought some were drawn directly on photoshop or adobe illustrator.

Usually anything that is scanned will request a property release...at least this is the case with Shutterstock and they are very strict about it.


subject release is a new one, probably a non english speaker


I asked because I've never heard of or seen a subject release? Model release, property release, [url]http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-image-releases/[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-image-releases/[/url])
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on December 05, 2016, 14:09
I never heard of subject release either...

I saw his black and white drawings and is possible that previous Reviewers got approved without releases because they might thought some were drawn directly on photoshop or adobe illustrator.

Usually anything that is scanned will request a property release...at least this is the case with Shutterstock and they are very strict about it.


ah, good point. yes, i do remember in the glorydays of dreamstime with carmen,etc(..,... before they went ballistic on similars... when that time i decided to leave due to the ridiculous limits...)
that they did require something like that for silhouettes,etc..
it must be that they suspected this is not straight off design , but more a copy from a photo,etc..
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: illstudio on December 06, 2016, 11:22
I got a response , they now want a PROPERTY release.  ::)
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Red On on December 08, 2016, 18:08
I my first batch for microstock, there was a photograph of two pidgeon on a wire and only sky as background. Was refused because without personal release. I don't know if they are stupid or idiot
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: lostintimeline on December 08, 2016, 18:49
I my first batch for microstock, there was a photograph of two pidgeon on a wire and only sky as background. Was refused because without personal release. I don't know if they are stupid or idiot
what????? you didnt ask for the pigeons to sign you a model realeash??? shame on you ;D
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: illstudio on December 09, 2016, 11:52
So... My first time filling out a property release for my OWN artwork. How do I fill this out?
DT release example in part:

I, ______________ (Steven X),  the rightful and lawful owner or authorized representative on his behalf of the property located at ______________ , grant permission to ______________ "photographer"....
ect ect

Please help. This makes no sense to me as it's my art.
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 09, 2016, 13:24
So... My first time filling out a property release for my OWN artwork. How do I fill this out?
DT release example in part:

I, ______________ (Steven X),  the rightful and lawful owner or authorized representative on his behalf of the property located at ______________ , grant permission to ______________ "photographer"....
ect ect

Please help. This makes no sense to me as it's my art.

Of course it makes no sense, it's microstock legal. Your own name, your own information, everything you except the next Microstock stupid part. You need to have a witness and date everything to prove you gave yourself permission to sell your own work.
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: Antonio on December 10, 2016, 07:51
A drawing needs a Model property I assume and perhaps the staff made a mistake LOL
Title: Re: Santa Claus Needs a "Subject Release". Seriously?
Post by: illstudio on December 10, 2016, 13:37
A drawing needs a Model property I assume and perhaps the staff made a mistake LOL

What's a "model property"? And why do I need one? No model was used in the art.