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calcaneus10

« on: December 16, 2013, 21:36 »
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I wanted to get some feedback from the forum on thoughts about putting makeup on adult men posing as ordinary people showing emotion isolated on white background.  I don't feel like makeup is needed on children or the elderly.  I do feel like women should probably have makeup.  But for adult men, I'm still not sure (unless they are doctors are businesspeople).  I almost feel like the only thing necessary is some pressed powder to prevent shine.  But anything more is excessive?  Do blemishes, scars, acne really distract buyers from buying?  Should they all have clear even skin?  Does it sell better for the skin to be perfect?  Is it worthwhile to pay $50 per photoshoot to put on makeup?  It makes photoshopping easier for sure, but is it too perfect?  I'm just not sure anymore...


lisafx

« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 21:56 »
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I always do as you suggest and put some pressed powder on men to prevent shine.  That's all I do.  I don't think it would look natural to do more.  Maybe a pro makeup artist might be able to do better, but short of that, best to go minimal.   

If acne or other imperfections are an issue, I remove them in post. 

calcaneus10

« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 22:06 »
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Thanks for your input Lisa.  Since you remove acne, I guess you feel that imperfections on the face would distract buyers and not sell as well?

lisafx

« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2013, 22:13 »
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Thanks for your input Lisa.  Since you remove acne, I guess you feel that imperfections on the face would distract buyers and not sell as well?

I can't say for sure, but I think often stock buyers are looking for a slightly idealized version of reality.  I know it won't hurt sales to remove it. 

The one exception is I did a few shots of a teen with acne where the acne was the concept, so I left it in :)

I do leave wrinkles on seniors though because it would be too unrealistic looking to remove them.  Sometimes I will soften them slightly on another layer and then set the opacity to 33% or so, mostly for women.   

« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2013, 22:40 »
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I have some images of skin problems on a mature woman that sell quite well - but they're about the skin problems, not about something else where the skin looks icky. If it's not a glamor shot, I think that it's a fine line to walk but you want to leave in things that make it look real while taking out things that are just distractions.

calcaneus10

« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2013, 23:45 »
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You're right, it's a fine line.  I would have thought Cindy Crawford's mole was a distraction, but it is one of the things that made her famous.  I think.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2013, 03:22 »
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I agree with Lisa for the use of powder to remove shiny effect.
Sometimes it can be very bad to get the skin almost white because of light reflection (in particular on the forehead).

Then you still have Imagenomic Portraiture that can do a good job if used slightly

lisafx

« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2013, 13:25 »
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I agree with Lisa for the use of powder to remove shiny effect.
Sometimes it can be very bad to get the skin almost white because of light reflection (in particular on the forehead).

Then you still have Imagenomic Portraiture that can do a good job if used slightly

Really good point!  It's important to get the powder to match the models face pretty exactly.  I had one model who was very tan, and when I put the powder on him that I use for most caucasian models, it looked okay on him, but then in the photos it came out looking like a white mask.  It was a post-processing nightmare!  :o

Now I keep a bunch of different powder compacts in a wide range of skin tones.  Each of my regular models has their own compact with their name on it.  Also much more sanitary to each have their own, and the models appreciate it  8)

« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2013, 14:17 »
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Just to chime in - slightly OT - I photograph a lot of dancers, they are used to a TON of makeup so their features don't disappear under stage lights. The girls can get away with a lot of makeup in stills, but I really dislike the look of the boys shots if they have used eyeliner and blush.  Sometimes it fits with the routine they are doing, but you still can't convince me to like it  ;)

Ed

« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2013, 14:55 »
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If you are shooting portraits, then I recommend anti-shine powder even on Men (women generally do their own makeup but may need to be advised appropriately).  This will prevent any highlights in areas where you don't want them (like the forehead or along the ridge of the nose).

The other option is to use a circular polarizer in the studio (but that's a trade secret that nobody talks about).  ;)

I use a makeup artist for these types of shoots.  Many times it will save me time in Lightroom/Photoshop correcting skin blemishes...my time is money.  I work with a makeup artist that has been specifically trained for television for this purpose.  She charges me $30/hour and she stays throughout the shoot to ensure the model is appropriately prepared.

Whether it sells more or less depends on the topic at hand.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2013, 14:58 by Ed »

« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 13:07 »
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The other option is to use a circular polarizer in the studio (but that's a trade secret that nobody talks about).  ;)

I find that the polarizer brings out too much pink in the skintones.  Sometimes I use with soccer portraits (harsh overhead sun, fill flash) so I can get a blue sky and lose some stops in the background - works fairly good with kids, but when you throw the coaches or adults in the shot they can look quite terrible with a polarizer!  If you are working with makeup though - that should eliminate those ugly natural tones though shouldn't it and the polarizer would help get rid of specular highlights etc?  I like the way a silver umbrella brings out details in studio, but the highlights on the face are so prominent!  Must try with polarizer!


 

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